News GPU cooling supplier claims Nvidia RTX 50-series GPUs will "seize the whole market starting in December" — Auras says key components like cold pl...

[Flayed]

“seize the whole market starting in December.” So there is the possibility of a pre Christmas launch?

 

[renz496]

At the current price levels, not a chance the new 5090 will sell well. GPUs are already unaffordable and most games won't benefit much anyways. People are already avoiding the top cards due to excessively high prices. The executives setting these price levels are incompetent, it looks like they live in an affluent fueled fantasy where value doesn't matter. Sadly, we all know when we are being ripped right off. 🙁

4090 says other wise. And despite people claiming 40 series as nvidia worse when it comes to price it is one of their best series when it comes to sales number without being boosted by crypto factor.

 

[renz496]

Agreed. Or, more specifically, profit per wafer is maximized by allocating most wafers to AI server chips. They are probably supply constrained for gaming chips and thus have no reason to reduce pricing.

I don't know about that. I think it's very possible the AMD will create a 4090-class chip. The 4090 is about 35% faster than the 7900 XTX, which is about the gain you tend to see from generation to generation.

AMD has decided not to compete with the 5090 (and depending on the 50X0 uplift likely not the 5080 either), but the 5070 equivalent from AMD may well be faster than a 4090. Not saying it's a sure thing, just that it well within the realm of possibility.

But AMD might not even make generational upgrade with RX8000. Not impossible but if they want to make something like 4090 then prepare for 500w++ class of gpu from AMD. because just like nvidia AMD will still going to stick with 5nm.

 

[spongiemaster]

Now you're making no sense.

1) I never said it was an investment
2) Better resale on the 4090 will be when the 5000 series is new (i.e. now) ... rather than the 6000 series
3) Future proofing means exactly that... when UE5 is more mainstream, I'll have a 5090

If I still don't make sense feel free to ignore me. Cheers.

You not knowing what an investment is doesn't change the fact that's what you were talking about it. If you're spending money on something with the goal of having more money in the future than if you didn't spend it, that's an investment. You don't ever buy a GPU for gaming with that goal. You clearly don't know what future proofing is either. Buying something you never needed in the first place is not how future proofing works.

 

[valthuer]

4090 says other wise. And despite people claiming 40 series as nvidia worse when it comes to price it is one of their best series when it comes to sales number without being boosted by crypto factor.

I think RTX-40 series is one of the worst in Nvidia’s history, not so much in terms of its prices, but more because (with the exception of 4090) it’s not much of an upgrade over previous generation - if at all.

 

[umeng2002_2]

I think RTX-40 series is one of the worst in Nvidia’s history, not so much in terms of its prices, but more because (with the exception of 4090) it’s not much of an upgrade over previous generation - if at all.

Ray tracing features are much better. Although only Cyberpunk and Alan Wake II really use them. DLSS 3 is actually quite good too. If you don't care about ray-tracing, you can save a ton by just getting AMD.

That said, there are no demanding titles on the horizon to justify a 5080 or 5090 to me. I plan on staying on 1440p ultra-wide for quite some time. I've been doing a lot of super sampling AA with old games recently with my 40 series card, and they look quite nice. DL-DSR from nVidia also makes super sampling AA within the realm of acceptable performance when maxing out some games - another great feature that AMD or Intel haven't tried to compete with.

 

[morete]

There is NOTHING I do on my PC right that has me saying "I wish I had a 5090." Not a thing. My 9950X and 4090 does everything I need... games in 4K Ultra at max settings... etc... etc...

I honestly could care less about RT and PT but for the record I haven't even had to make any adjustments to those 2 options.

I will definitely get the 5090 at some point... but I won't be paying scalper prices because unlike the 3090 a few years ago the 4090 is a much bigger beast that can handle the current gaming market.

Yes there is. MSAA x8 in 4K will literally rip the 5090 to shreds in AAA games.

 

[jp7189]

At the current price levels, not a chance the new 5090 will sell well. GPUs are already unaffordable and most games won't benefit much anyways. People are already avoiding the top cards due to excessively high prices. The executives setting these price levels are incompetent, it looks like they live in an affluent fueled fantasy where value doesn't matter. Sadly, we all know when we are being ripped right off. 🙁

RTX 6000 ada 48GB is hovering around $7k per card at the moment. If the 5090 comes with 32GB at $3500 it will still fly off the shelves. The AI rush is real.

 

[valthuer]

That said, there are no demanding titles on the horizon to justify a 5080 or 5090 to me. I plan on staying on 1440p ultra-wide for quite some time. I've been doing a lot of super sampling AA with old games recently with my 40 series card, and they look quite nice. DL-DSR from nVidia also makes super sampling AA within the realm of acceptable performance when maxing out some games - another great feature that AMD or Intel haven't tried to compete with.

Well, it all depends on the settings you choose to game at.

I only game at 4K Ultra RT.

At this preset, my 4090 can already be brought to its knees by several games, including:

- Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora

- Alan Wake II

- Cyberpunk 2077

- Black Myth: Wukong

- Senua's Saga: Hellblade II

- Silent Hill 2

- Star Wars Outlaws



Before the end of the year, a minimum of two more games will be added to that list:

- Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

- S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl


As Unreal Engine 5 gradually becomes mainstream, that number will only increase.

With Path Tracing being very GPU taxing, i don't expect 5090 to be able to handle all of the aforementioned games at Native 4K, but its enhanced Ray Tracing capabilities will surely help immensely.

If you don't mind me asking: what GPU are you using?

 

[BearRaid]

For what it's worth I don't think the comment that Nvidia GPUS will "seize the whole market starting in December" is a prediction of a release date. This person's industry is supplying cooling solutions. I think he means that his market, cooling solutions, will be seized by GPU makers putting new, power hungry GPUs into heavy production, a month or so before the actual launch. Hopefully what this means is good availability/stock levels whenever the launch does happen.

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[Warrior24_7]

GPU cooling supplier Auras Technology Co., Ltd. says that the RTX 50 series is ready to "seize the whole market starting in December," signifying that we'll soon have Nvidia's next-generation GPUs.

GPU cooling supplier claims Nvidia RTX 50-series GPUs will "seize the whole market starting in December" — Auras says key components like cold pl... : Read more

I believe this wholeheartedly! They already control almost 90% of the market right now. Nvidia GPU releases have the most anticipation and are the biggest news in PC gaming! Nobody else is talking about anything else except the 5090. Nothing is going to compete with it. The only cards that will matter will be the 5090 and the 5060. The very top end and the middle.
Everything else is meh! Nobody cares.

 

[Warrior24_7]

At the current price levels, not a chance the new 5090 will sell well. GPUs are already unaffordable and most games won't benefit much anyways. People are already avoiding the top cards due to excessively high prices. The executives setting these price levels are incompetent, it looks like they live in an affluent fueled fantasy where value doesn't matter. Sadly, we all know when we are being ripped right off. 🙁

You said that about the 4090! 🤣

 

[TeamRed2024]

You not knowing what an investment is doesn't change the fact that's what you were talking about it. If you're spending money on something with the goal of having more money in the future than if you didn't spend it, that's an investment. You don't ever buy a GPU for gaming with that goal. You clearly don't know what future proofing is either. Buying something you never needed in the first place is not how future proofing works.

You're salty. I get it. Probably running a 3070. Nothing else to see in this debate. Thanks for the pearls of wisdom. 🙄

Before you waste your time with another useless lecture of a reply... I really don't give af. Thank you.

 

[TeamRed2024]

RTX 6000 ada 48GB is hovering around $7k per card at the moment. If the 5090 comes with 32GB at $3500 it will still fly off the shelves. The AI rush is real.

Yes there is. MSAA x8 in 4K will literally rip the 5090 to shreds in AAA games.

Well, it all depends on the settings you choose to game at.

I only game at 4K Ultra RT.

At this preset, my 4090 can already be brought to its knees by several games, including:

It's a pretty short list. I can't wait to see the threads with all the tears shed about a $3500-$7000 GPU. 🤣

For me... probably not worth it for reasons stated in my original post. None of the games I'm grinding right now are on that list.

I haven't read the first article about upcoming pricing... but as said originally $2k is my ballpark guess. If I'm off this much well... can't say I'm gonna spend that much.

 

[valthuer]

It's a pretty short list. I can't wait to see the threads with all the tears shed about a $3500-$7000 GPU. 🤣

Yeah, no kidding! And, funny thing is, most of the people complaining about those prices, will be MacBook Pro 16 owners! 🤣

 

[TeamRed2024]

Yeah, no kidding! And, funny thing is, most of the people complaining about those prices, will be MacBook Pro 16 owners! 🤣

Hahah... yeah. The only game I've touched over the last 5 weeks is Diablo 4. I am pretty hooked since the recent expansion launched. They fixed so much that was broken.

Anyway... I literally just saw in the last 5 mins a video on "Crimson Desert" which I had never heard of... but it looks visually stunning and has a Q2 2025 date. Not sure if it's UE5 but it looks great.

Once UE5 is more mainstream upgrading is really a no brainer.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Hahah... yeah. The only game I've touched over the last 5 weeks is Diablo 4. I am pretty hooked since the recent expansion launched. They fixed so much that was broken.

Anyway... I literally just saw in the last 5 mins a video on "Crimson Desert" which I had never heard of... but it looks visually stunning and has a Q2 2025 date. Not sure if it's UE5 but it looks great.

Once UE5 is more mainstream upgrading is really a no brainer.

Crimson Desert is gonna be a banger.

 

[Notorious^]

Well 2 things are for sure, if history has shown us anything, the 5090 will indeed sell, and it will sell fast.

Two, second hand market is preparing for the bottom to fall out on used 4090's when they start hitting ebay, ETC. it will be a buyers market with the buyers having the advantage.

The longer the 4090 owners wait, the more the market price will drop.

 

[TeamRed2024]

Well 2 things are for sure, if history has shown us anything, the 5090 will indeed sell, and it will sell fast.

Two, second hand market is preparing for the bottom to fall out on used 4090's when they start hitting ebay, ETC. it will be a buyers market with the buyers having the advantage.

The longer the 4090 owners wait, the more the market price will drop.

Exactly my point upthread when I was talking about future proofing and resale value. I think the market will be decent in the short term for dumping your 4090... but I don't see myself waiting 6+ months.

It really just depends if I can snag one at MSRP. If I can do that I might even dump my 4090 for $750 and make some crybaby who hates GPU prices really happy. 🤣

 

[spongiemaster]

Two, second hand market is preparing for the bottom to fall out on used 4090's when they start hitting ebay, ETC. it will be a buyers market with the buyers having the advantage.

The longer the 4090 owners wait, the more the market price will drop.

History tells us you're wrong. 3090's are still selling for $700 on the used market which is the same price they were selling at the day the 4090 released in October 2022. Prices actually went up earlier this year before settling back down around $700. Prices of new cards briefly dropped around launch and then rebounded within a month.

https://howmuch.one/product/average-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-24gb/price-history

As seen in the chart, there was no drop in used card prices at all, let along a tanking when the 4090 released. We're going to see the same thing with the 4090. Rumors have the 5090 with an MSRP over $2000. The price and demand from AI clients will be too high to push the 4090 down in price much.

 

[Flayed]

It really just depends if I can snag one at MSRP. If I can do that I might even dump my 4090 for $750 and make some crybaby who hates GPU prices really happy. 🤣

Will you ship to the UK? 🤣

 

[TeamRed2024]

Will you ship to the UK? 🤣

If it means I don't have to deal with eBay I absolutely will!

 

[tom2tec]

You said that about the 4090! 🤣

and I meant it, even now the 4090 is unaffordable, these prices cater to the elites and leave a lot of cards sitting on the shelf ..

 

[tom2tec]

RTX 6000 ada 48GB is hovering around $7k per card at the moment. If the 5090 comes with 32GB at $3500 it will still fly off the shelves. The AI rush is real.

gamers won't be getting it … so what is the point? seems wrong to me, me, I'm still competitive with a 3070TI

 

[TeamRed2024]

and I meant it, even now the 4090 is unaffordable, these prices cater to the elites and leave a lot of cards sitting on the shelf ..

Yeah... it's funny how life is. I can afford to buy a $1700 GPU but can't afford to buy a $2M house that would be about $400k on the other side of the country.

I hope to hit elite status one day.