GPU hitting 90 degrees?

[willyburns]

Right, so I'm confused. I've been told by watching countless tech videos and reading as load of forum posts on the so-called benefits of a desktop over a gaming laptop so I thought I'd build one to replace my Alienware 17 R4. The build is as follows:

i7 7820X
Asus Rampage VI Extreme
32GB G. Skillz Trident RAM
EVGA 1000W G2 PSU
Asus Poseidon GTX 1080 ti
NZXT Kraken X72 360m AIO CLC
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe 256GB
Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
beQuiet! Dark Base 700 Case

This is not my first PC build and I've refreshed myself on building and overclocking. However, with the CPU at stock settings and the GPU not unreasonably overclocked with GPU Tweak software, using the overclock button, I'm getting 87-90 degrees on the GPU temps and it sounds like my PC is about to lift off, and considering I wanted a silent build then I'm not best pleased. Also, I'm only getting around 80 fps in Witcher 3 using a 3440x1440 Alienware ultrawide and that's with hairworks turned off. Be raring in mind that for probably nearing almost £1000 less for the laptop I'm getting almost the same frames at 1440p on my laptop what on Earth is everybody on about? What exactly am I supposed to be seeing with this setup over my gaming laptop's performance for all of the extra hassle of sourcing the parts, building the thing, the cost of it and then the nightmare of having to mess around with every single feature in software to get it to run the same as my laptop did out of the box?

Is there something wrong with the GPU to be running this hot?

Thanks.

 

[ebosss03]

What case are you using for this build?

 

[ebosss03]

My friend had the same issue but his case was like a car in the sun, adding more fans for more airflow that will definetly help and if you case does not have many openings i would consider buying a new case.

 

[rgd1101]

beQuiet! Dark Base 700 Case

try undoing your gpu OC?

 

[iamacow]

I would turn off you OC and add more airflow. Your card is dumping the hot air into the case and that isn't going to help with temperatures. 85-90c is way to high for that Asus Poseidon GTX 1080 ti, It should be more like 70c with a overclock if you have the some airflow.

Those Be Quite cases are really nice, but not known for high airflow. You could replace the internal fans with something that goes above 800 RPM.

Edit: Also for this generation the Pascal mobile GPUs are the same as the desktop variants with minor tweaks. In theory a 1080 Desktop and 1080 Mobile will preform the same. However laptops have a lot harder time dumping 180watts of heat. Therefore higher temps and lower clock speeds.

 

[FD2Raptor]

I'd say it's mostly because you've pick plenty of wrong parts and/or overspent on certain parts for a gaming build.

The X299 platform is not the best for gaming. The Asus Poseidon is just for those who want an easy way to get into open loop custom liquid cooling. The extra cost of a 950 Pro is only worth it to professional/enterprise work scenario. The 1000W PSU is way overkill for a single CPU+GPU system. And that Kraken X72... that cost a lot more than a solid air tower like say Scythe Mugen 5/Fuma (the Mugen 5 can't cool as well, but the maximum noise level of its stock fan is just ~20dbA compare to the up to ~40dbA of the cooler of the higher tier GPU).

There's nothing surprising about the Poseidon running close to the 90s in an non airflow focused case. The be quiet Dark base 700 using the silent mode on its fan controller can cause GPU temps to go up by ~10 degrees, compare that against Toms testing of this Poseidon card of 76 degrees on open bench and the temps become completely plausible.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-poseidon-gtx-1080-ti-platinum,5151-5.html

Overclocking the ROG Poseidon GeForce GTX 1080 Ti under air cooling is pointless, for the most part. Asus tunes this board aggressively straight from the factory, leaving little headroom available for higher frequencies. Especially in a closed computer case, the card is already at its physical limits.

You could probably have scaled down to 8700k/8600k + Z370 (in the range of ASUS Z370-A PRIME; ASUS Z370-F STRIX; ASROCK Extreme4 etc) + GTX 1080 Ti (MSI Gaming X / Trio / Lightning Z; Galax Hall of Fame; Asus ROG STRIX); only go for 16GB of RAM at this point; skip the NVMe SSD altogether; only use a good 650W PSU (650/750W Corsair RMi/RMx would have been your best choice for silent oriented build); and either of the two Scythe cooler above and saved a significant chunk of $$$ while in most likelihood achieve better fps.

 

[rolli59]

Most likely airflow issue so how is yours configured?

 

[willyburns]

I have the two silent wings 3 fans plus an extra two with them taking in air from the front. This CPU has absolutely nothing to do with whether I was using it for gaming or not, it's 8 cores as apposed to the 6 with 8700K and I've spent a lot of time researching this and am well aware of the pros and cons of the processors mentioned, which incidentally has nothing to do with GPU thermals considering the CPU isn't being taxed at all by gaming loads and is sitting at around 35 degrees under gaming loads. Also, what would me having a faster boot drive have to do with anything, or for that matter the wattage of the PSU lol. The parts picked were done so with both gaming and productivity in mind and I've spent months researching them, and how exactly would you presume to know whether I've I've picked the wrong parts not knowing what the build was for? If you're only here to "dump" your clearly exhaustive PC knowledge in a condescending manner I'd rather you didn't. I know what I''m doing.

For everyone else: the problem is the GPU thermals and why it should be hitting 90 when the specs are saying 78. I suspect that it may be the case airflow but I'm still shocked at how this can affect thermals this much in a case advertised and sold for this purpose. Should I change the case? Is there something wrong with the GPU or do you think it's just constricted airflow? Also, the initial point about this being a shade more powerful than my laptop and actually just as noisy still stands. What benefit have I gained by building this thing really? I might just return the lot and stick with the Alienwaare.

 

[willyburns]

I've turned GPU Tweak off so it's sitting as it is from the factory but it's still hitting high 80s under load. The disappointment is coming in ever bigger waves.

 

[rgd1101]

where did you put the x72 Radiator? how the fan orientated?

 

[aquielisunari]

Right, so I'm confused. I've been told by watching countless tech videos and reading as load of forum posts on the so-called benefits of a desktop over a gaming laptop so I thought I'd build one to replace my Alienware 17 R4. The build is as follows:

i7 7820X
Asus Rampage VI Extreme
32GB G. Skillz Trident RAM
EVGA 1000W G2 PSU
Asus Poseidon GTX 1080 ti
NZXT Kraken X72 360m AIO CLC
Samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe 256GB
Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
beQuiet! Dark Base 700 Case

This is not my first PC build and I've refreshed myself on building and overclocking. However, with the CPU at stock settings and the GPU not unreasonably overclocked with GPU Tweak software, using the overclock button, I'm getting 87-90 degrees on the GPU temps and it sounds like my PC is about to lift off, and considering I wanted a silent build then I'm not best pleased. Also, I'm only getting around 80 fps in Witcher 3 using a 3440x1440 Alienware ultrawide and that's with hairworks turned off. Be raring in mind that for probably nearing almost £1000 less for the laptop I'm getting almost the same frames at 1440p on my laptop what on Earth is everybody on about? What exactly am I supposed to be seeing with this setup over my gaming laptop's performance for all of the extra hassle of sourcing the parts, building the thing, the cost of it and then the nightmare of having to mess around with every single feature in software to get it to run the same as my laptop did out of the box?

Is there something wrong with the GPU to be running this hot?

Thanks.

What is the idle and load temp. with everything at stock levels?

Highest temp. after running https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition? Stock settings.

OC is an art. The factory OC may not be the best. Learning about overclocking isn't for everyone but there are changes such as lowering the voltages slightly that can bring temps. down.

I would suggest increasing your fan curve but it sounds as if it's already pretty high.

Is the card new? Can you return it? I wanted a new GFX card and to make a long story short I chose the EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid.

https://overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/evga_gtx_1080_ti_ftw3_hybrid_review/1 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swxCRQgU0so are a couple places that showed me that the EVGA card was a good choice, better than Asus's Strix or Poseidon. My GPU never exceeds 55c. but it's usually below that.

Nvidia's GPU Boost reduces its applied OC if any safety mark is breached such as heat(56c) or a power limit. I game at 2000 or 2067MHz(oc). The overclock is reduced more as the temperature climbs.

It was $849 at the time of purchase but it's hard to find that.

Thanks to FD2Raptor for that link I couldn't find.

 

[willyburns]

Thanks aquielisunari for the instructive and useful reply 😉 I bought the card from Overclockers so unfortunately I'm stuck with it but the intention was to put it on water at some point in the future so I suppose it will show it's true potential when that happens. I had actually order the FTW3 card but Amazon "lost" it in transit and then it was out of stock for ages after. The GPU situation is pretty awful at the minute.

So it seems it's the case. I've taken the tampered glass off and it's running around 79-82 degrees on load while playing Doom at 120+fps, and Witcher at around 79-92fps with everything maxed out. I've tested the Alienware laptop with the same settings and Witcher gets anywhere from 60-75fps so there is a bump in performance but I'm not sure it's as spellbinding as to warrant telling people that gaming laptops are significantly worse than desktops because it's just not the case anymore. Incidentally, it still ain't kitten soft in the acoustic department. Time to try out a new case then . . . I had my eye on the Fractal Define R6 before I saw the Dark Base 700 so maybe that will give better thermal performance.

 

[rolli59]

Thanks aquielisunari for the instructive and useful reply 😉 I bought the card from Overclockers so unfortunately I'm stuck with it but the intention was to put it on water at some point in the future so I suppose it will show it's true potential when that happens. I had actually order the FTW3 card but Amazon "lost" it in transit and then it was out of stock for ages after. The GPU situation is pretty awful at the minute.

So it seems it's the case. I've taken the tampered glass off and it's running around 79-82 degrees on load while playing Doom at 120+fps, and Witcher at around 79-92fps with everything maxed out. I've tested the Alienware laptop with the same settings and Witcher gets anywhere from 60-75fps so there is a bump in performance but I'm not sure it's as spellbinding as to warrant telling people that gaming laptops are significantly worse than desktops because it's just not the case anymore. Incidentally, it still ain't kitten soft in the acoustic department. Time to try out a new case then . . . I had my eye on the Fractal Define R6 before I saw the Dark Base 700 so maybe that will give better thermal performance.

There is a valid question above on the radiator fans! Are the blowing out or into the case?

 

[willyburns]

The Kraken is pulling in from the front, as to mount it at the top would be too tight and I watched a video on radiator placement, and it had marginally worse temps for the GPU but shaved about 10 degrees better off CPU temps with a front mounted rad. To be honest I'm positive it's the case, the top has no space whatsoever so the three fans I have mounted there are just bouncing the heat back into the case and the front is also starved because of the nature of the case design, which has the fans mounted in a cavity that has perforations taking in air from the sides of the fans, meaning there's no direct stream of cool air from the outside. I went with form over function but I really didn't think it would impact temps this badly considering the ridiculously high price they're selling this case at, and considering how well the Dark Base 900 did in many tech sites' testing. I'm pretty shocked at how poorly this case cools. I was looking at getting the Lian Li O11 Der8auer revision as it looks pretty spacious but it's not released in the UK until 25th May, so I think I'll just go with what I was going to buy before which was the Define R6, as I used the R4 in the last PC I built and it was a brilliant case.

Is there any way you can think of to orient the components that would alleviate some of the greenhouse effect with the Dark Base 700?

 

[rgd1101]

pulling in so you pulling in cold air, the radiator make it hot, and the hot air is inside

 

[willyburns]

Pulling in yes because the top has absolutely no room to exhaust. I really think this case is pretty bad. I can't see a situation with any system build where there wouldn't be some problem with thermals because it's essentially a greenhouse.

 

[rgd1101]

Did you try pull air from the top and push it out from the front(radiator) and back(gpu/psu/fan).

 

[aquielisunari]

Pulling in yes because the top has absolutely no room to exhaust. I really think this case is pretty bad. I can't see a situation with any system build where there wouldn't be some problem with thermals because it's essentially a greenhouse.

That's not true. Consider my case which come with 3 fans.

I added 2 additional fans up top

but now 1 slot is occupied by my GPU's radiator. It also has plenty of vent space and a 120mm fan in the back.

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Déjà vu? I wanted plenty of air to be able to flow easily through the chassis. With 2 fans on my 212 Evo, 2 fan up front, 1 on the rear and 1 fan up top my case can breathe. It was $79 at the time of purchase but Vivo had some issues not helped by their lack of effective marketing and follow though? They stopped selling it. Their 24K PSU shared a similar fate. Still the case is effective at dissipating heat.

They say "The devil is in the details" but an angel resides there too.

Tom's has so many questions(about case/cabinet/chassis too) and their answers are archived.

 

[rolli59]

Pulling in yes because the top has absolutely no room to exhaust. I really think this case is pretty bad. I can't see a situation with any system build where there wouldn't be some problem with thermals because it's essentially a greenhouse.

Well as stated in another post there lies your problem the CPU heat (+10°C on idle over ambient) is going into the case making the GPU hot.

 

[willyburns]

Unfortunately in this case there's just no way to put the radiator in the top and not have the CPU start heating up, it just has no room to exhaust at the top, and even with the fans at the front it looks like the airflow into the case is restricted by the front panel. I was looking at the Define R6 but that has terrible airflow too so I'm going to pre-order the Lian Li Der8auer case as it looks roomy and heat has a direct path up and out of the top and perforation at the bottom for some of the expelled GPU heat to escape. As much as I love the aesthetic of the Dark Base 700, it's not a very good case. beQuiet! profess that the case's main function is noise suppression but for any semblance of heat dissipation the fans ramp up to aircraft volume. Be warned if anyone is thinking about building in that case.

 

[willyburns]

@ aquielisunari, your case has a massive mesh front and the top pops off whereas the Dark Base 700 has a fixed metal top panel with some ridges cut out at the very back and a mount for fans or radiator that leaves about an inch cavity at the top. The front is completely sealed with a plastic and aluminium cover plate with air only coming in through an inch and a half perforation at the sides. Also the way the fans are mounted at the front they cover most of the perforation so the air has to bend to go through the fans. I'm not joking when I say it is like a greenhouse. I could've grown tomatoes in it with the tempered glass side panel on.

 

[XraptorzX]

Yeah that cards running way too hot i would try and rma it - my single evga gtx1070sc with stock acx cooler never goes above 60-65c while gaming in 4k on one diplay and displaying 4k on the other

 

[willyburns]

Yeah that cards running way too hot i would try and rma it - my single evga gtx1070sc with stock acx cooler never goes above 60-65c while gaming in 4k on one diplay and displaying 4k on the other

First of all, thanks XraptorzX for actually acknowledging that getting those kind of temperatures out of the box is not normal no matter how crappy the airflow in a system is. It took a while but at least someone agrees with me that it's a little bizarre.

Secondly, I found out what the problem was only recently as there was nothing posted about it before when I was investigating the first time I encountered it and came here for advice. This GPU, the ROG Poseidon, has a manufacturing fault whereby it sags immediately from the warehouse causing the heat-sink to not make full contact with the GPU obviously causing the temperatures to shoot up. I found out this solution to the problem by reading about it on a forum recently, becasue I was just not satisfied with thermal throttling I was getting at stock settings, and then by seeing the solution performed on video where you push the corner of the card up and watch the temperatures drop by 10 degrees and stabilise. According to Asus this wasn't a known fault, despite me seeing it in at least five different places and on one Asus forum where an Asus rep had responded by suggesting that the persons affected should try using a tool to stop GPU sag – this for a card that cost over £1000. I got rid of mine a while back and I'm waiting to buy a ridiculously overpriced RTX 2080 Ti from EVGA because I've heard their customer care is excellent and I'm buying through Amazon which is always safer.

I had another Asus problem where my Maximus VI Extreme came with no protective cellophane and dust on the board and was constant 'Code AF: Detect Memory' malfunctions which caused the board to cycle POST, so I returned that too and I'll be steering well clear of Asus products in future. The worst part about all this is this equipment is SUPER expensive but really unreliable. It's not like I'm betting on a £200 4K TV – it ended up costing around £3000 to build this PC. And all of the advice I got on this forum to change the case, and that those temperatures were normal operating temperatures was complete and utter guff: I returned a perfectly good Dark Base 700 and waited months for the launch of the Lian-Li Dynamic-O11 because of advice I received from multiple amateur tech snobs on this forum, first of all not addressing my issue, but rather berating my component choices as if they knew my background, use case scenarios or knowledge.

So if you're having a problem with an Asus ROG Poseidon hitting 90 degrees under normal gaming load check to see if your card is sagging and literally splitting in two and then send it back for a refund as soon as possible and buy a better card from a better company.

Similarly, if you're getting memory errors on your filthy, dirty 'brand new' Asus Rampage VI Extreme that has just set you back £550, send that hunk of expensive junk back too and buy from a motherboard that works from a different manufacturer. I honestly don't know why Anus gets the reputation it has. Sure their stuff looks nice but it performs like garbage and their customer service stinks. You have been warned.

Your Friend and Humble Narrator,
William Burns

 

[XraptorzX]

Yeah Evga products are excellent in my experience (a couple evga gpus) never had a single problem with my 1070 and far as I’m aware they have excellent customer support even though I’ve never needed it - and yes you’re right ASUS are trash