News GPU Makers Slash Prices of GeForce RTX 4070 to $549

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Not sure how a 8.andaliddlebit % off is SLASHED, but okay...

Took a punt on my first AMD card for over a decade a fortnight ago - a 6700xt for my daughters machine so she can run BG3 (previous was a 1060 6GB, so well due). Good price, great speed for 1080p and very quiet. Never thought I'd say this as 20-year+ team green (my first proper GPU was a Geforce 2 GTS in about 2001), I'm pretty sure my upgrade from my current 1080ti will be AMD.
 
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cknobman said:
Still wouldnt buy one because its still overpriced.
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Considering my largely negative experience with 4070 TI, I simply can't imagine buying a 12GB RAM card anymore, let along one in this price range. 12GB may have been enough a couple of years ago, but now I get out-of-VRAM errors left and right, to my great annoyance. Not just professional applications like video editors, Photoshop, and so on. Even some games crash and complain about it when you set the texture quality too high. And that's 4070 TI, so I can only imagine what 4070 owners go through.

If you plan to do something besides gaming and your resolution is closer to 4K than it is to 1080p, I'd either go with AMD (unless you need CUDA) or wait for another generation to kick in. The current generation is simply not worth it. Not at these prices at least.
 
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BX4096 said:
Considering my largely negative experience with 4070 TI, I simply can't imagine buying a 12GB RAM card anymore, let along one in this price range. 12GB may have been enough a couple of years ago, but now I get out-of-VRAM errors left and right, to my great annoyance. Not just professional applications like video editors, Photoshop, and so on. Even some games crash and complain about it when you set the texture quality too high. And that's 4070 TI, so I can only imagine what 4070 owners go through.
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You couldn't be more right. I was the unfortunate owner of a 4070 Ti, from January to May 2023. Due to its pathetic amount of VRAM, i was getting CTDs, with D3D fatal errors, even at 1080p, in games like Resident Evil 4 remake, Atomic Heart and Far Cry 6.

In June, i finally got fed up with it and replaced it with a 4090, maybe the only worthy GPU in an otherwise disappointing generation of graphics cards.
 
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cknobman said:
Still wouldnt buy one because its still overpriced.
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Yeah this generation is just bad. It is sad that the 7800XT is the best bang for your buck. It is just a slightly more power efficient 6800XT for $150 less MSRP after 3 years. It may have AV1 encoding and slightly better ray tracing but it's still just a bad deal imo. This $50 price cut on the 4070 is still a bad deal to me. I just can't with this generation...
 
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It's not the amount of VRAM, its' the bandwidth of that VRAM (504.2Gbps). The 4070 had a 192bit memory bus divided into 6 32-bit channels with each channel having the exact same sized 16Gb (2GB) VRAM chip. The 4080 has a 256-bit memory interface @716.8GBps, the 4090 has 384-bit interface @1008 GBps. All memory chips need to be the exact same size otherwise really bad things happen performance wise, similar to if you have one 16GB and one 8GB DIMM for system memory.

For comparison the 30 series

3060ti 256-bit @448 GBps, later model has 608GBps
3070 256-bit @448 GBps
3070ti 256-bit @608 GBps
3080 320-bit @760 GBps
3080ti 384-bit @912 GBps (this includes the 3080 12GB version)
3090 384-bit @936GBps
3090ti 384-bit @1008GBps
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GeForce 30 series - Wikipedia

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Now compare that to the 40 series and you see that nVIdia was just renamed to a higher class. The 4070 bandwidth is only barely higher then the 3060ti / 3070 while having fewer memory channels.
Now look at the 4090 and see how far ahead of the rest of the 40 series in memory channels.

4090 384-bit @1008GBps
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GeForce 40 series - Wikipedia

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The 4060 should of named a 4050, the 4070 a 4060 and the 4080 a 4070.
 
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BX4096 said:
12GB may have been enough a couple of years ago, but now I get out-of-VRAM errors left and right, to my great annoyance. Not just professional applications like video editors, Photoshop, and so on. Even some games crash and complain about it when you set the texture quality too high. And that's 4070 TI, so I can only imagine what 4070 owners go through.
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so if 12gb is getting oom errors now, how long before 16gb? Guess need to wait and see what consoles get as memory to answer that. My 20gb looks pretty good right now :)
 
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so if 12gb is getting oom errors now, how long before 16gb? Guess need to wait and see what consoles get as memory to answer that. My 20gb looks pretty good right now :)
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16GB seems like it will be plenty (for 1080p gaming) for the next few years. I have a 6800 runs every game I play at 1080p ultra (except Fortnite, but who plays an fps game at ultra anyway) at 75+ fps.
 
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I would hope its enough for 1080p at least.

Most vram I ever seen used was 18gb playing at 1440p max settings, but that is Diablo 4 and it has a memory leak. It used to eat my ram, it expanded my page file out to 16gb for a while. Its normally only 2gb.

But games without bugs like that, should run fine. But I can't see future though.

Many current console games designed to work within 16gb so it will be a few years.
 
I have yet to ever see a VRAM issued running 1440p or 4K with 12GB of memory. Games are not nearly as VRAM hungry as youtube reporters make them out to be.

Please remember, GPU memory is frequently treated like cache, things are loaded into memory but often will not be removed when they are no longer needed. Eventually the game will require assets and if there isn't sufficient memory, the oldest is discarded. Basically modern titles / graphics APIs treat graphics memory the same way Operating Systems treat system memory. Right now I have 568MB of "free" memory out of my 32GB of installed memory. Should I be freaking out and insisting that I need 64GB of memory minimum? No, because only 13.5GB is actively being used with a further 18.4GB being full of data that was previously in use and is kept around just in case.

Unfortunately we don't really have tools yet to discern how much GPU memory is actually being used at that moment for what is on the screen, only how much data is hanging around inside.
 
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