News GPU Shortages Will Worsen Thanks to Coin Miners

[TerryLaze]

"GPU Shortages Will Worsen Thanks to..." Companies not making enough cards and blaming anyone and everything for that reason.

It's not that they don't make enough, everybody uses TSMC and they can only make so many waffers, they can't make any more because they don't have any FABs that could make them.

Let's see if intel's Xe cards are any good and if they can produce enough of them.
In a market that nobody can get any amd/nvidia cards they could be making a killing.

 

[escksu]

Well, there's that one thing called "the environment". I mean, we don't really need it or anything, but I suppose it's a relatively good "nice to have".

That aside, banning mining sounds rather unenforceable. Particularly if you understand how cryptocurrencies work.

Then I have to ask you how is overclocking and gaming good for environment? How is RGB lightning good for environment? Many things more if we look beyond PC., eg. motor racing, gas guzzling V8 engines etc...So, how do you draw a line to say which should be banned because its bad for environment?

Mining can be discouraged. The easiest is to charge different rates for power consumption. Eg. if you use 100KWH this month, the rate is 10cents per KWH, if you use 200-400KWH, the rate become 20cents. IF you use 500-800KWH, its 50 cents and so on.....by making power progressively more expensive, it makes big scale mining less viable to most.

I don't think there is any issue with those who have just 2-3 cards for personal mining. IT doesn't affect the market. ITs those who have 50-100 cards or more, then they are disrupting the market. These pple also uses the most power. So charge them such a high price that its no longer viable to mine. Then most won't mine.

 

[escksu]

"GPU Shortages Will Worsen Thanks to..." Companies not making enough cards and blaming anyone and everything for that reason.

Well, its not companies not making enough cards. 2 reasons.

1. There is practically just 2 foundries in the world making GPUs. So quantity is limited.

2. Miners are snapping up everything. Back then, I remember miners bought even more GPUs than all gamers in the world.

 

[memydidydo]

Don't think so. PC gaming is superior in several ways:

• Better graphics quality.
• Doesn't require to purchase another e-waste and spare your money.
• Less trouble with relatives or superiors who want to use TV at the same time or simply don't like that you are playing games instead of (add any boring or unnecessary stuff here).
• No troubles with game modding.
• Full scale of software for anything.

Etc. etc. In fact consoles are good only for teens who want to party behind same TV screen. Or unmarried singles with only casual plants and zombies style gaming in mind. Also consoles are evil because game porting to consoles dumbed down PC gaming and introduced checkpoint saves instead of normal manual saves (like we have no gigabytes of free storage at today). Anyone who have other responsibilities in life except gaming should agree with this. Feel free to replay a level for next half of hour umpteen time again because you got disturbed by some responsibility or died exactly before next checkpoint.

Hahaha so you really don't like console gaming then?

I am seriously considering getting a PS5 once they are available.

My current PC only really needs a good GPU and it should be ok to game on.

I've never gamed on a PC before and what is putting me off is troubleshooting problems as they arise. Do they come about often? I have no idea.

 

[memydidydo]

Regarding crypto. These miners will be mining <Mod Edit> that will hopefully fall to zero in the not to distant future.

The SEC is now starting to look into crypto <Mod Edit>coins so maybe the demand for them will actually decrease in the next year or two.

 

[Krotow]

I don't think there is any issue with those who have just 2-3 cards for personal mining. IT doesn't affect the market. ITs those who have 50-100 cards or more, then they are disrupting the market. These pple also uses the most power. So charge them such a high price that its no longer viable to mine. Then most won't mine.

These claims have few weak points though. People who are not dirt poor and have larger families, usually have larger houses with higher electricity consumption. Also due to environmental situation electrical cars are appearing and car charging slurp electricity in droves. What to do with them? Also no one can forbid me to put personal solar array or wind turbines and generate electricity by myself without touching the public grid. No, the real solution is to limit GPU purchase to 4-5 cards for non-retailers. And discourage backyard cryptomining in law. In parallel governments may start to mine themselves, but on dedicated supercomputers. That will solve electronic currency problem instantly.

 

[Krotow]

Hahaha so you really don't like console gaming then?

Let say I played computer games circa 1987. On various computers (not only PC) and even on consoles and gaming machines. So far PC gaming was superior. It matched well with my personal gaming preferences too because I can work and play on same machine and TV remain free for other people in family. Consoles got gradually better only after mid-2000ies. Seen PC game porting to consoles which was nothing bad. What was bad - game developers with game engine unification started to dumb down graphics and other features like save system in their PC games as well. Graphic quality improved then because GPUs in consoles improved. But not game saving. Ones who invented checkpoints only trend in PC games, should be tossed into a pit with hungry lions. They stole time and joy for countless PC gamers.

 

[spiketheaardvark]

It is time that we rise up and seize the means of rendering and return it to the gamer.

Jokes aside, I'd have no objections to people dumping their money into digital Shrute bucks and Stanely nickels if it didn't waste such an ungodly amount of electricity doing nothing of any value. Now if someone built a coin that the proof of work was somehow based around folding at home the shortage of cards wouldn't sting so much. At least you'd know something useful was being accomplished.

 

[thepersonwithaface45]

aren't bitcoin coming close to its maximum amount created? other than bitcoin, i guess people are mining for other crypto types?

 

[memydidydo]

Let say I played computer games circa 1987. On various computers (not only PC) and even on consoles and gaming machines. So far PC gaming was superior. It matched well with my personal gaming preferences too because I can work and play on same machine and TV remain free for other people in family. Consoles got gradually better only after mid-2000ies. Seen PC game porting to consoles which was nothing bad. What was bad - game developers with game engine unification started to dumb down graphics and other features like save system in their PC games as well. Graphic quality improved then because GPUs in consoles improved. But not game saving. Ones who invented checkpoints only trend in PC games, should be tossed into a pit with hungry lions. They stole time and joy for countless PC gamers.

I see your point.

Serious question. If i do go down the PC gaming route for the first time, will i be doing much troubleshooting or is it always straight forward?

 

[thepersonwithaface45]

I see your point.

Serious question. If i do go down the PC gaming route for the first time, will i be doing much troubleshooting or is it always straight forward?

It's very straight forward as long as you go with big brands and mainstream parts, i.e. intel / amd / nvidia.
Parts only go in one place.
Windows installed on a M2 SSD, some 2.5" ssds for everything else.
firefox with ad block extension.
EZ day.

 

[memydidydo]

aren't bitcoin coming close to its maximum amount created? other than bitcoin, i guess people are mining for other crypto types?

Bitcoin will not be totally mined for another 100 years. Every 4 years the amount of bitcoin mined each days halves. But yes not many left to mine now. But it will take time.

You cannot mine bitcoin with GPUs anymore. Those days are long gone. You need special ASIC computers to mine them.

Yes they are mining other coins (<Mod Edit>). As i said earlier the SEC is showing an interest in <Mod Edit>now and XRP which was the 3rd biggest until days ago will have legal trouble soon.

So if the SEC starts cracking down maybe GPU mining will start to decline.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

I think you have too much faith in gamers.
They're still paying well over retail to scalpers. Just because the gotta have one now.

Yep. One look at eBay will tell you that. Guys are actually paying $1300 for the 5950x. 😆

I timed my build perfect. Got the 3090 at retail with a lucky preorder... sold the 1080 Ti for $400 a couple weeks later... then bought all the parts at retail and built the PC a couple weeks later... Christmas time shipping + COVID was pretty lame but the parts finally arrived.

Feel bad for the people having to deal with the gpu shortages... I know the feeling. One thing I don't have for my new build is the Honeycomb flight sim hardware... both the yoke and throttle are at a 50-100% scalper markup on eBay which I absolutely will not do... that's also why I have the 10900k and not the 5900/5950x. When it comes to these types of decisions value wins.

I don't know much about mining... never cared that much about it. I've seen pics of guys with 200 GPUs in their basement... and I'm assuming they still haven't quit their day job?

I see a lot of people leaving PC gaming for console gaming .. and not coming back. Future generations will also go the console route. This mining crap is helping to kill PC gaming.

No real PC gamer would switch to a console.

PCMasterRace is for life.

Maybe own both and use both but give up PC forever nah.

I actually just sold my XSX. I bought one to play with my brother (who has been a console gamer since the original XBox and doesn't own a PC) and I literally played on it with him for like 2 weeks and just couldn't do it anymore. Sold it 2 days before Christmas for $100 more than I paid for it so no harm done.

Sorry bro... PCMasterRace. I'll help you build it.

Etc. etc. In fact consoles are good only for teens who want to party behind same TV screen. Or unmarried singles with only casual plants and zombies style gaming in mind. Also consoles are evil because game porting to consoles dumbed down PC gaming and introduced checkpoint saves instead of normal manual saves (like we have no gigabytes of free storage at today). Anyone who have other responsibilities in life except gaming should agree with this. Feel free to replay a level for next half of hour umpteen time again because you got disturbed by some responsibility or died exactly before next checkpoint.

You just described my brother... LOL He's a CoD zombie addict and also plays whatever the latest golf game is... I've tried to get him into PC gaming but haven't had any luck. It's weird because we both started on the Commodore Amiga in the late 80's and I never let it go... but he just moved away from PCs over the years.

 

[Chuckiechan]

I hope the game companies are paying attention. My family is going to get tired being on short rations while I save up for a new GPU! LOL

I'm thrilled to have a 1060, even if I have to chain my box up to my pit bull.