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I just switched from a nvidia 550ti to a 950 and while trying to install the drivers my pc shutoff, no blue screen, just power off, so i tried again for a while, uninstalled reinstalled, restored to an earlier point of windows 7, reinstalled windows 7, still shutting off when i try to install drivers. please help, I'm very frustrated

Update: Trying to consolidate the information so
MOBO- ASrock FM2A75 Pro 4
CPU - AMD A8-5500 APU with radeon onboard graphics
GPU - EVGA 950 sc+ (bought refurbished from newegg)
PSU - Raidmax RX630SS
Samsung EVO SSD, and a 1 TB WD hdd
16 gigs of ram, between 4 4gb sticks, 2 of 1 brand, 2 of another.

Also, booted into safe mode and installed the driver, and then it worked for a while, Then i took the card out and put it back in, and it worked for a while, there appears to be something that looks like paper after its been in the wash or maybe gum and paper, on one of the chips on the card that cannot be easily removed. My PC was working fine for about 4 years before i swapped the cards.

Update 2: I believe it has something to do with just after a certain amount of time, although it may also have to do with running intensive processes, the PC crashed again whenever I loaded up skyrim, at varying times, but not getting past just a flash of the game actually being loaded, sometimes it happens when i press install or update something, sometimes doesn't. But definitely will just turn off if left, as i just left it on, just on the desktop, not doing anything, and it crashed some time while i was having dinner.

When it crashes, what it does is immediately turn off, just as though the power has gone out. When it turns on it says the whole unexpected shutdown thing, then says safe mode and such or start as normal, just as though i had held down the button or taken out the power cable.

UPDATE 3: consolidating info again
Situation update, my cpu is currently running at 45-53 degrees c, and has been idling for a bit, currently al that is running is the temperature detection stuff, using up relatively little cpu. other than that my pc is at give or take a few degrees 30 c, is this healthy? Bear in mind I'm idling right now. I'm using both my motherboards software and my processors software, processor giving off 54 now, slowly rising. mobo giving 44.

UPDATE: CPU program slowly but steadily rising temps, while mobo stays about the same

UPDATE 2: CPU program now reads 56-57, while mobo reads 42

UPDATE 3: I failed to mention that i believe that the CPU is giving core temps, i also have a box fan next to my PC

UPDATE 4: Consolidating info. New PSU corsair CX-M Series CX650M 650W 80 PLUS, that didn't fix the problem. I'm having an error where my PC says "nvidia web helper "program can't start because MSVCR120.dll is missing, try reinstalling the program to fix this problem"" My current working theory is a software issue on my HDD, as that was the only thing not affected by the resetting of windows.

Windows update troubleshooter says i have error 0x8007000D(2017-06-02-T-07-48-47P) and "Cryptographic service components are not registered" It also says service registration was missing or corrupt but that was fixed, and that problems installing recent windows updates are fixed twice.

UPDATE 5: I have run every test, it doesn't crash during a night of memtest 86, I swapped out the graphics card, it crashed with the 950 with and without drivers, and it crashed with the 550 without drivers, i could not get to the point of installing drivers, nor do i think it will yield a different result. I have contacted ASrock, and will update with their response. The current working theory is a motherboard issue. At which point, I should honestly just call it that and buy a new computer, considering i'm 3/4 of the way there. User rcald2000 suggests that other users have similar issues with this board, we are hoping that asrock will confirm or deny that this is a known issue.

UPDATE 6: Went to office max to have it looked at by them, they "cleaned it" (i saw no differences) and they also said i had some hard drive issues, they offered to fix it for 180 dollars, which I found to be ridiculous. I found out that i was running from an OEM windows install (i believe thats the correct term, it was specifically meant for an old dell but had never given me trouble before.) I installed a proper microsoft ISO and it yielded no different results, and crashed when i tried to install the driver for my graphics card (also around the time windows was trying to update, coincidence?) and I haven't tried again since.
 
Computer crashed again, after several hours of successful running, even running cpu intensive things, it finally crashed when i did a reboot while running a windows update fixer. I was stuck on checking for updates so i downloaded a wizard from microsoft which performed the first step, rebooted, then my pc shut off. Ideas?

UPDATE: [strike]The bad noise i heard earlier was a brokenish case fan.[/strike] Scratch that the noise still occurs even with fan and HDD unplugged.

UPDATE 2: Didn't crash on the second step of install this time. So it wasn't a consistent spot in the install process, this time it crashed right at the beginning of the third step. Could there just be a chance of a shutdown at each restart. Crashed once again at the third step, trying with my hdd unplugged.

UPDATE 3: Pretty sure it just crashed before i even logged in, while configuring windows updates with HDD unplugged, made it through configuring windows updates the second time, crashed immediately after i logged in.

This is tiresome and frustrating. Especially considering the lack of any clue of whats going on.

UPDATE 4: The PC consistently crashes right before step 6 can begin. Link to the program i was talking about HERE

UPDATE 5: I waited a bit before powering on and was able to go all the way through step 6 without crashing. So i don't believe it had anything to do with the program. Maybe my SSD is faulty? Given that it only happens when i am logged in, maybe the graphics card?

UPDATE 6: Was able to fix windows update and even got it to prepare to install the load of updates needed. I'm going to run memtest all night to see both the results and if my pc crashes, just for the sake of pretending to be productive, at least we can definitely strike out shutting down outside of windows
 
You should probably ask your local PC shop technician for help. Many factors maybe involved here. It could be your motherboard or CPU that is causing it to crash specially on intensive process. This needs to be troubleshoot ASAP before other components of your PC might be affected.
 
Chris_472 Hello. Let's take a few steps back with troubleshooting this issue...

I just switched from a nvidia 550ti to a 950 and while trying to install the drivers my pc shutoff, no blue screen, just power off, so i tried again for a while, uninstalled reinstalled, restored to an earlier point of windows 7, reinstalled windows 7, still shutting off when i try to install drivers.

Question #1: When you say that the PC shuts off, I'd like you to clarify. Please don't be offended or frustrated by my questions. What precisely happens? The monitor goes black and there is absolutely no image? Are you absolutely, 100% certain that the computer itself has no power at this point? When the monitor goes black, before taking any other action, please open the case and see if the CPU and case fans are spinning or not.

If the computer power was severed then that would indicate a power or component problem. If the computer was crashing, resulting in a black image, that would indicate a software problem. If the computer was rebooting, it would indicate a heating or software problem.

Question #2: You stated that you "reinstalled windows 7". Please tell me precisely the procedure you followed in order to do this.

Btw, the MSVCR120.dll missing error simply sounds like the result of trying to do a windows update that is failing. If you go to windows add/remove programs, and locate Microsoft Visual C++ xxxx Rdistributable (x64), <click> change -> repair. if you locate the correct instance of the program, this one step would most likely resolve the problem. As for the error of the "Cryptographic service components are not registered", you could simply register the service from the windows command prompt. But before we get to all that, please answer my questions above. Thanks.
 


Answer 1 Yes, all of the case fans and the cpu fan turn off, none of the LEDs in the case remain on. It is similar to holding down the power button but instant.

Answer 2 I put in the windows 7 install disk and selected clean install, placing all of my old windows files, from my SSD (C drive), in WINDOWS.OLD, then reinstalled drivers, which was fine until i started installing graphics drivers, which began the crashing issue again. I had to install the graphics driver in safe mode, (where it installed just fine).

Also update on Memtest, left it running all night, no crash and no errors. Also note that i do not believe it has crashed before i logged into windows.

And no, I was not offended or frustrated by your questions, feel free to ask what you need to ask
 
Chris_472 Normally I'm reluctant to jump to conclusions, just because I do not know the answer. However, you've already replaced the power supply, performed a clean install of Windows, and I checked NewEgg customer reviews of this board. Based on several poor reviews, I now believe that your motherboard has a design defect: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157334

At least half a dozen users had issues that were somewhat similar to your own. If we're to assume that the issue is not caused by dirty power in your own home, then I'm lead to conclude that the issue is your motherboard.

One last thing: See the image I pasted below? Do you have a PCIe cable connected from the power supply to 8 pin slot on the motherboard? (highlighted in blue). Please respond back.

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Yes I do have a PCIe cable connected.

 
Then although I have no conclusive proof, I personally believe that the issue lies with your motherboard. Even though your motherboard is probably out of warranty, I would suggest contacting Asrock. Their support is decent, and I believe that it's open on weekends. Whatever you end up doing, please keep this thread updated, if you wouldn't mind.
 


I'll give them a call, the board is 4 years old so i guess i can't expect much, either way i've literally already built about half of a new computer, the only thing i haven't replaced in the past year or so is the mobo, CPU, and the 2 sticks of ram i started with, i just added 2 more. Will update with their response.

UPDATE: They're closed weekends. Any tips on how to diagnose it as a mobo issue specifically?
 
I do not have any such tips. My hope is that Asrock can confirm (or deny) that there is a known issue similar to what you're experiencing. Below are a few other possible causes I thought up, although I admit that I'm grasping at straws:

loose power cable; un-plug from back of power supply and from outlet and replug in.
malfunctioning power button
move computer to another plug in household
unplug and replug components inside computer case.
 


I've submitted a support request, I'm currently retrying my computer before i try these.

Also, while typing this my computer just turned off before i even logged into windows.

UPDATE: Replugging power cable did not work

Unplugging power button didn't work

Have already moved to different plug.
 
I am going to try putting the old graphics card back in, so i will uninstall my graphics driver and reinstall upon boot up, (assuming i get that far), if this yields no results i will take it up to office max, is that a reputable computer repair store?

UPDATE: After I uninstalled the drivers, i decided to just see if it would crash without drivers, and it still did

UPDATE 2: I have put in the new card and am currently installing nvidia's driver update client. I'll tell you if it still crashes

UPDATE 3: It still crashes
 
So I have now determined that it is indeed not an issue with the GPU, it may have just occurred simultaneously with the GPU replacement. I will give office depot a call, and see what their time estimate is, if it is long, i will just wait for ASROCK to get back to me on monday. C'est la vie.
 
I am now going to bring the computer up to office max for an evidently free diagnostic service, I will let you know whats what. They said it takes about a day or so.
 
Greetings all! After a free diagnostics service and an alleged "cleaning" Office Depot has diagnosed me with hard drive failure, and offered to fix it for 180$, I likely have a bootable hard drive laying around and will do a quick swap to see if that is the issue, if so, I will order a new SSD. Thank you all for your help, and I will update you with further results.
 
I have no bootable hard drive laying around as i thought, and any and every drive check i ran said it's fine. Any suggestions from you folks?

Update: Their info about my memory states a max of 8 gigs, while the mobo page states 32, could this be an issue? It wasn't changed at the time of the upgrade but could it?
 
Tried to run windows update, 54 updates succeeded, 57 failed. error codes: 800B0100, 80073712, 80070002. any suggestions? Still no real idea what to do here. Haven't reinstalled bios, as i doubt that would help. I've run samsung magician, crystaldiskinfo, and windows check disk, all telling me my hard drive is fine. However office depot said my hard drive was not fine. I don't have another bootable hard drive and don't fancy formatting my storage drive. I'm not exactly jumping the gun to buy yet ANOTHER part that may or may not fix my issue (as i've already bought most of a new computer at this point). Any suggestions?

Update: I have just checked, and (almost) every update that passed, is actually just pending, where it will most likely just fail on restart

Those that passed: KB947821 System update readiness tool
A security update KB3072305
AMD driver update for AMD SMBus
2 updates for windows, likely installed manually earlier. (KB3102810 and KB3172605)
 
Have you tried reformatting your PC? It's recommended to reinstall windows anytime you add new hardware. Are you running an OEM or a full version of windows?

Edit: I just noticed you did reinstall windows, my other question still stands.
 


It is indeed an OEM, I guess it could be good to use a normal install disk. I'll see if theres one laying about.

Believe i screwed that up the first go round, for complete clarification, its for an old dell laptop

Got it right the first time. point conveyed, making a new boot disk now
 
You managed to run the whole setup several hours at once without problems, like when doing memtest, right? I am under impression that your rig works fine, until you try to install GPU drivers - is that correct, or did I just missed something in your descriptions (quite possible, waaay to much reading)?
 


Even once i install them (which i was able to do in safe mode) it still crashes randomly, it has varying errors with windows update, it only crashes in windows, rarely before i log in but always in windows. And yes, left memtest for like 12 hours.

Clarification, even without the drivers, it still usually crashes with windows update.
 
Is there any chance you could try it with Win 10 (note that you can run Win 10 inactivated, which would be enough for a test)? I would like to exclude purely software problem.
As for possible drive failure - even if that was true, for 180$ you can almost have new HDD, so certainly that's not a good deal. But I fail to see how a failed drive could cause sudden power down. And even if it could for some reason, it should happen with same frequency no matter if in windows or in BIOS - so that 12 h long memtest would not happen. Now, I'm not saying your drive cannot be faulty, but just swapping drive is unlikely to solve all problem.
 


I've got a windows 10 install disk from when there was a free update. I'll try installing that. I had to wipe all of the windows.old files anyways, due to small drive size and like 3 installations.