GTX 460 768MB suffering huge FPS dip when going from DX9 to DX10/DX11

[bowzef]

but thats just a small list lets be honest most games intense games need a nice CPU usage :/ wen i upgraded from my lga 775 to a 1155 with a 9600 GT i got a uber FPS increase in 80% of my games and crysis got a huge FPS increase from like 25 to 35 thats with same settings and rez with 9600 and i have upgraded to GTX 570 since then so but still i got performance

 

[jyjjy]

he will see bottleneck in cpu bound games like bfbc2 and gta 4.crysis ,metro 2033 don't utilise cpu much at all.In fact metro 2033 showed no difference when moving from core 2 duo to an i7
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/metro_2033_performance_guide,9.html

besides he is playing at 1920X1080 resolution which is more gpu bound.

Crysis does need a decent cpu. I'm not surprised a core 2 duo at 2.8ghz isn't quite enough for even a GTX 460 even in that game.

@OP: Have you tried overclocking the GTX 460? It does so very well, often over 30%. You'll know which games are being bottlenecked by the CPU if the overclocking doesn't get you significantly better results.

 

[bowzef]

forgot to include that DDR2 vs DDR3 >.> that also helped the JUMP in FPS

 

[jut703]

My RAM is already overclocked, that's originally DDR2-667.

My video card is already overclocked, running it at 820/1000. About as fast as a stock GTX 460 1 GB, if not faster.

As you can see, Warhead is much less CPU dependent than the original Crysis. I gained a significant amount of FPS when overclocking it even when I ran my GTX 460 at stock settings. Celpas, what are your Warhead benchmark scores? I would assume my 460 scores higher than it there, whereas in Crysis you beat me due to my vastly inferior CPU.

In Crysis, my biggest FPS jump was when I overclocked from 2.33 to 2.8 GHz, even at 1080p.

I know 1920x1080 is supposed to be highly GPU bound, but as I have learned, you will have to have a decent CPU no matter what. I already felt that a GTS 450 would have been the most optimal upgrade from my old HD 3850 without bottlenecking my rig. However, a 450 isn't strong enough for 1920x1080 at High settings so I got the 460.

 

[jut703]

bowzef, any online article you could link that showed that DDR2 to DDR3 gives an FPS JUMP? I would say marginal gains, but definitely not jump.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm already running the latest drivers, 266.58.

 

[wh3resmycar]

he will see bottleneck in cpu bound games like bfbc2 and gta 4.crysis ,metro 2033 don't utilise cpu much at all.In fact metro 2033 showed no difference when moving from core 2 duo to an i7
http://www.legionhardware.com/arti [...] ide,9.html

besides he is playing at 1920X1080 resolution which is more gpu bound.

the review on that link doesn't include a core2duo . depending on the game the difference between a c2d and an i7 is noticeable even @ 1080p.

f1 2010 which is on the op's list, is very cpu bound.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-19.html

it also has a bug that locks GPU usage @ 60%.

 

[celpas]

ok.I will run the warhead benchmark and post the results here

 

[celpas]

whic hwas the warhead benchmark you were running the frost flythrough or only frost?

 

[jut703]

Frost, not the flythrough. Gives more realistic FPS that way.

 

[jyjjy]

I already felt that a GTS 450 would have been the most optimal upgrade from my old HD 3850 without bottlenecking my rig. However, a 450 isn't strong enough for 1920x1080 at High settings so I got the 460.

I'd say the card you bought is about exactly right for your processor and resolution. There will always be a bottleneck of some sort and there is no rule that says if it is the CPU that is worse. The card will be limited in some games by the CPU but there are still many games where your CPU is adequate and the GTX 460 will be of great benefit over weaker cards.

 

[iam2thecrowe]

id overclock that cpu if possible.

 

[jyjjy]

It is already OCed .5ghz actually. Should be able to go higher though.

 

[celpas]

OK.Seems as if your cpu was bottlenecking in crysis bcoz I ran the warhead benchmark and got 41 fps in dx10 and 45 in dx9 average but still try and replace your core2duo with a quadcore because the difference between and 460 should be more than just 3-4 fps.

 

[bystander]

OK.Seems as if your cpu was bottlenecking in crysis bcoz I ran the warhead benchmark and got 41 fps in dx10 and 45 in dx9 average but still try and replace your core2duo with a quadcore because the difference between and 460 should be more than just 3-4 fps.

That's about exactly how much higher a 460 768mb should perform compared to a 260. Look on the chart above. The two only perform about 10% different (49% vs 55%). 4 FPS is about 10% of your score.

Perhaps you were talking about another posters upgrade...

 

[jut703]

@bystander
My GTX 460 was overclocked to 875/1100 MHz with my 48 FPS. I admit I'm CPU bound. Perhaps if I had a GTX 260 I won't even be able to break 40 FPS.

@jyjyy
If it's just about right, why can't I soundly outperform a GTX 260 at stock paired with an i7-920?

@psychosaysdie
I've overclocked it and that's the highest it'd go without voltage increase. I'm using stock cooler and value RAMs so I can't push that far.

 

[jut703]

Video card's overclocked to 875/1100 MHz.

 

[jyjjy]

@jyjyy
If it's just about right, why can't I soundly outperform a GTX 260 at stock paired with an i7-920?

I assumed you were not only going to be playing that specific game. If so then I guess maybe you did get a card that is more powerful than your processor can utilize.

 

[celpas]

I assumed you were not only going to be playing that specific game. If so then I guess maybe you did get a card that is more powerful than your processor can utilize.

Actually bottle neck is a problem which no upgrade can completely solve.My original processor in this rig was a core 2 quad q8200 and when I upgraded to the i7 I saw a massive fps boost in all games which showed that my video card was not being utlised 100%.If I upgraded my processor to an i7 extreme edition my fps would probably match a gtx 460 1gb paired with a core 2 duo

 

[bystander]

Actually bottle neck is a problem which no upgrade can completely solve.My original processor in this rig was a core 2 quad q8200 and when I upgraded to the i7 I saw a massive fps boost in all games which showed that my video card was not being utlised 100%.If I upgraded my processor to an i7 extreme edition my fps would probably match a gtx 460 1gb paired with a core 2 duo

What resolution do you play at, and what FPS did you start at and end up at?

 

[celpas]

What resolution do you play at, and what FPS did you start at and end up at?

I have 2 monitors but I usually play on 22INCH SAMSUNG MONITOR at 1680X1050.In crysis was getting 26fps previously increased to 30 on i7.In GTA 4 was getting 35fps increased to 48 on upgrade.In metro 2033 I was getting average 30 on high settings increased to 34.