gtx 780 or gtx 770? What to do?

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So I wanna build a gaming tig in a Bitfenix prodigy. Id like to get a good gpu as well as a 240-ish GB ssd since the pc needs to be quick with more general use and booting too. Now my budget is about 1500 to 1600 euros.

I was planning on getting a gtx780, but it has ro be a reference blower style cooler and the cheapest I can find them for at a dutch store is freaking 480ish euros, about the price of a msi gtx780 lightning! The 770 is about 120 euros cheaper, wich would mean I could get an ssd while barely breaking the budget with like 15 euros.

Im doubing what to do. Going with a gtx 780 would mean waiting another month, and after 5 months of saving im kinda sick of it.

So my question: How big will the preformance difference be between a GTX 780 SC from evga and a gtx 770 4gb from Inno3D be? And would it be worth waiting for the 780 (note that im already going crazy from waiting and I cant stop wasting my time doubing all day!)
 
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My two cents based on the available information:

If you are going to run 1080p the get the 770.
If you plan on running 1440p or greater, get the 780.
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Thanks man, you confinsed me finally! Ive been doubing about rly evryhing since this will be my first build. I did so kuch research I should strust myself but I still dont rly xD

so end of the month this order will be placed
-case: Bitfenix prodigy mITX (black one cuz of the mesh front)
-gpu: Inno3D GTX 770 (4gb, blower cooler)
-cpu: intel core i7 4770k (to be oc to 4.6 hopefully)
-cpu cooler: corsair h100i (push pull with 4 sp120 quiet fans)
-ram: corsair vengeance pro 1866mhz (2x4gb)
-psu: corsair rm650 (modular and 80+ gold)
-hdd: WD black 1tb
-ssd: Samsung 840 evo 250gb
-optical drive: samsung usb dvd burner
-mobo: asus Z87i-pro
-casefans: 1x corsair af140 quiet and 1x bitfenix spectre pro 230mm.

all for 1590 euros! Sounds good right?!
 
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You DO NOT want sp quiet fans on a closed loop cooler. They WILL NOT COOL. Buy the standard SP ones. They are loud but will cool very well. The stock fans actually move the most air out of any fans.But they are noisy. If you care about noise, you should not be getting a closed loop cooler.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6177/choosing-the-best-120mm-radiator-fan-testing-eight-fans-with-corsairs-h80/5 look here. This is on an h80i and the quiet edition fans are almost 10c hotter than the normal fans. The performance difference will be even worse with an h100i
 
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You could swap the i7 4770k for Intel Core i5-4670K. Everything I have read says if you OC the i5 you'll get damn close to the i7 in performance and you'll save $100+ (US). If you go that route you could use the savings to go with 4x4GB ram (or 2x8gb) which would be nice. That's the only think I might consider but either way your build looks good. I have the i5-4670K running @ 4.2 paired with my 770 ti, running all games at 1440p with all MAXED out settings and I consistently get 80fps or greater in every game (Bioshock infinite, Skyrim, etc...). Pretty sure its the 770ti that's the main driver in my results.

Good Luck!
 
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There is no 770ti yet. It is still in development. So, no you do not have a 770ti.

An i5 is all you need for gaming, an i7 give VERY minimal performance increase for alot of money. An i7 is pointless for a gaming machine.

ALso, 16gb RAM is pointless for gaming. It will give ZERO performance gains over 8gb. Just a waste of money.
 
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Wtf the revieuw doesnt even state what proccecor they are cooling. Anyway the sp quiet aint the coolest but I dont want noise and 42 degrees is not that bad at all. And then im getting 4 of them and not 2, so whilst your somewhat right, you kinda overreact when saying they wont cool at all!
 
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Actually that review is incredibly good for providing specs. A lot of group tests list the processor, but they have a breakdown of every single component, and a picture of the setup so you know how they orientated the cooler. Good stuff really.
I commented on your previous thread that the H100i has variants on the SP120 design as standard, and mentioned a few things about speed control etc. The 230mm fan you have at the front is possibly going to be the loudest component anyway, as it's likely to be nearest to you.

One other thing that hasn't been mentioned is that a 4Gb GTX770 is pretty much pointless in an ITX build.
 
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The site sais the 230mm is at under 26dB. And the 4gb version is the cheapest reverence design 770 I can find, holland is a strangd place xD

Anyway, I didnt mean to say that the revieuw is bad or the sp quiets are top of the line but they are quiet! And plz correct me if im wrong, but looking at the results they aint the coolest but I believe they will keep the proccecor cool enough right?! As for with the 230 fan again, its only 25.6dB or something, so it wont be very loud.
 
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Noise figures from manufacturers aren't terribly reliable, as noise is hugely subjective. It depends on the type of case you use, how you mount the fans, your distance to it while using it, how you orientate your case, the size of the room and even the materials of surrounding furniture. The list is almost endless. Perhaps more significantly, everyone hears things slightly differently both in terms of volume and the type of noise.

A good example is the Intel stock cooler. It's not terribly noisey, but it has quite a small fan and for some reason I could hear it quite clearly above the rest of my system as it had a different pitch.
I have a Black Prodigy (mesh front) and I sit approximately arms length from the front of it. This means that the front section is angled slightly towards my right ear. If I turn everything up to 100%, the single loudest component by some margin is the 200mm front fan. While I'm no accoustics expert, I'd imagine this is because it's the nearest to me, has no sound proofing/mass in the way to absorb sound, and because it has a more of a "whoosh" noise than a "wheee" of smaller fans. Most of the time I run this fan at 50-70% speed. It is almost inaudible.

What I (and others) are getting at with all this is that just because it says "quiet" doesn't mean that's going to give you the best results overall - having some measure of control will. The only reason the SP "quiet" fans are quieter than the standard H100i and SP Performance fans is because they run at a lower RPM, they share fan profiles.
If you had to run a large number of fans, ie a number where individual or even group fan control might be problematic, then having a lower RPM quiet fan might make a lot of sense.
A SP120 Performance fan or H100i stock running at around 60% speed will provide similar noise levels to a SP120 Quiet at 100% speed, but still give you extra performance if required.
 
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Ok so done some research and here is what seems good to me for now:
2 noctua NF-P14 120mm fans for the rad (ill buy 2 more later if needed) and cuz I want the same lok trough out my case ill do a noctua NF-A15 140mm fan as back outtake. Front will stay the bitfenix spectre pro 230mm.

That sound better?
 
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As I understand it, Noctua's fan designations confer both the size of the fan and the type of job it is for.
12 means 120mm, 14 means 140mm etc.
The F12 is the static pressure fan, for radiators, the P12 is more of a hybrid, though I guess there isn't a reason you can't use them.
I'd also be very nervous about using the A15 on the back of the case. It might fit, but remember that it's 150mm wide (or 150mm tall, depending on how you rotate it), not a standard 140mm fan like the A14.

Noctua stuff is all really nice, but pretty expensive. I dunno if you need it. If I were you I'd stick with the stock H100i fans, plus your front fan and potentially a rear one too (you can always use the ones that come with the case here) and see what sort of results you get. It's not like they are hard to add later.
 
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Well I want it to stay cool. And I thought p was for static pressure. Anyways im using a prodigy case so it isnt big and im not a fan of loud fans. Many ppl complain about the h100i stock fans, jot for preformance cuz they are good but because they aint very quiet.
 
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That's the main reason air coolers are still (mainly) superior to AIOs. You can get a scenario where an AIO competes with a similarly priced air cooler at cooling potential or noise levels, but rarely both.
Not that there aren't advantages to closed loop coolers, I use one for a couple of reasons.

Looked into it. Noctua themselves say F12 for radiators though they aren't as quiet as their other types of fans. Pretty much any fan running at 100% speed is likely to be fairly noisey, and any fan that isn't probably isn't doing an awful lot.
 
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Don't get a Bitfenix Prodigy, save some money and get this case for about this same:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aerocool-Dead-Silence-Gaming-0-8mm/dp/B00FLC6W9K

It costs about the same, same size and supports a MicroATX motherboard, these cost less and are generally better quality. It's true that there is a MicroATX prodigy but the layout is horrible and there is a lot of strain on the motherboard. This case is also better quality, quieter and has better cooling options.
 
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