GTX 780 ti running too hot?

[prestigerg7]

Hello Everyone,

I recently had a GTX 770 and when I realized I couldn't SLI two 770's because of my power supply in the future I figured I'd rather get a higher end card and stay with one rather than replacing my power supply and re-wiring everything in the future. Anyways I was going to get a 780 however at my local store it was a little over priced and only $130 less than the ti so I figured why not and got it.

I set it up in the PC, booted up my PC, uninstalled my previous nvidia drivers and downloaded new ones. Then I went on to test it by playing some games. I played Assassins Creed 4 for about 30 minutes and when I went to check the temp saw it was hitting as high as 85C and normally stayed above 80. The game I had everything maxed except phyx was set to low. With vsync on it stayed at 30fps, if I took it off it hovered between 40-50. I was actually hoping to get 60 fps with vsync on but guess not.

Anywho is the card getting to hot? Considering I generally game for 2 hours up to as much as 4-5 straight on the weekends. Will the card consistently staying over 80C shorten its life span or cause my problems down the road? I ran the benchmark software that game with the EVGA cd, Valley benchmark, and it was hitting about 83-84C and staying there. Frames were high, usually in the 90's spiking as high as 120. The GTX 770 I had, had a ACX cooler and was usually around 65C under load, almost never going over 70. The GTX 780 my shop sells comes with the same cooler so I was thinking of downgrading if the heat would be an issue.

The exact 780 ti I have is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487001

The rest of my system is;
i5 4670k, not yet overclocked, usually sits a 3.80 mhz during games 55C
Evo 212 plus cooler
16GB ram
750W modular bronze cert Corsair PSU
250GB samsung 840 SSD

 

[David Dutton]

Those programs on my 780ti show 95c. Not 82c

Anyway. In a proper environment that card should never go near 82 to 95c

I have a super clocked version with a special cooling system from EVGA. Added about 100$ extra to the cost. I can tell precision x to target 95c and I never go over 75 to 80. If I yank out the 760, I never go over 65-70.

The GTX 780 Ti is designed to target exactly 82c as a load temperature. People need to understand this, and should quit acting like there's something wrong at that temperature. Look, fire up MSI Afterburner or PrecisionX and check the setting for "Temp Limit". It says 82c, right? So the card is designed to run at that temperature while adjusting other variables to maintain it. Turbo Boost speeds, fan speeds, power limits, and voltage all adjust automatically to maintain that standard operating temperature. This is how Turbo Boost 2.0 works.

You may adjust your Temp Limit lower using Afterburner or Precision, but it will only result in lower Turbo Boost clocks and lower performance. If you raise your Temp Limit, you will increase your Turbo Boost clocks. The fans will also speed up or down accordingly as well. Basically, your card is running exactly as designed, your temps are fine, and everything is normal.

 

[17seconds]

Those programs on my 780ti show 95c. Not 82c

Anyway. In a proper environment that card should never go near 82 to 95c

I have a super clocked version with a special cooling system from EVGA. Added about 100$ extra to the cost. I can tell precision x to target 95c and I never go over 75 to 80. If I yank out the 760, I never go over 65-70.

The GTX 780 Ti is designed to target exactly 82c as a load temperature. People need to understand this, and should quit acting like there's something wrong at that temperature. Look, fire up MSI Afterburner or PrecisionX and check the setting for "Temp Limit". It says 82c, right? So the card is designed to run at that temperature while adjusting other variables to maintain it. Turbo Boost speeds, fan speeds, power limits, and voltage all adjust automatically to maintain that standard operating temperature. This is how Turbo Boost 2.0 works.

You may adjust your Temp Limit lower using Afterburner or Precision, but it will only result in lower Turbo Boost clocks and lower performance. If you raise your Temp Limit, you will increase your Turbo Boost clocks. The fans will also speed up or down accordingly as well. Basically, your card is running exactly as designed, your temps are fine, and everything is normal.

Then you need to hit the 'Reset' button to restore your Temp Limit default. No one's saying a custom cooler won't deliver lower temps, but to say that a card "should never go near 82c" is ludicrous. Not everyone has perfect airflow and custom cooling, so you can't assume that your experience is what everyone should have. 82c is the standard, normal, factory default target temperature for these cards.

You've got to understand how Turbo Boost 2.0 works to understand that it's not the temperature that matters, but what the card is doing to maintain that temperature. Is it not Turbo Boosting beyond its stock speeds? Is the fan running really fast? Those are problems, but not the temperature in and of itself.

 

[azzazel_99]

Hehehe in my haf x coolermaster case my overclocked 780ti classified never goes above 73c. I do have a custom fan profile though so that helps but im also overclocked farther than what the card came as.

 

[nikoli707]

i have a cheap thermaltake black v3 case, 4 case fans(2 in 2 out) and my 780 classified running at 1300/1700@1.212v on 1440p and it gets up to about 80c in crysis 3/battlefield 4 after a while of gaming.

 

[David Dutton]

My post has been cut in 1/2.. and is a LOT less... him... on the offensive.. and anything that remotely seemed to be flaming in my old post was deleted... I posted last night but today my post was gone... with no notification why... I assumed it was way to long.. and was more of a RANT vs helpful information.. so I edited it and re-wrote it.

I don't need to reset my limit. My card is a very high end 780TI designed to run faster and hotter than the typical 780TI

I know nvidia and how all their tech work, and I'm current with it and Turbo Boost 1 & 2. I've used nvidia products ever since they bought 3dfx.

In any case.. Just because a stock 780TI is made to run up to 82C by overclocking, overvolting and fan control, Does NOT mean it HAS to get to 82C to achieve this. I do agree with you that the card can run perfectly fine at 82-85C, but it's going to really output a lot of heat and heat up the inside of your case. So unless you don't have to, why run it that hot? Some people don't have a choice, others do.

If the system has a GREAT air cooling system.. that card will max out at around 70-75C (even if you have it set to target temp 82c)... and hit it's ultimate potential without having to get to 82.. You can not just keep overclocking and over volting something as much as you like - even if heat is a non issue... the PHYSICAL switches inside a processed will lock, freeze, and or permanently break if you push them too fast (see physical switches below).

The reason they made it 82-85c would be for several reasons:
1) You have 2 780TiS in SLI mode in either a 100% air cooled system or Air cooled with only CPU H2O cooled.... this will allow the one cards to run hotter than the other because it's sucking hot air right off the back of the other GPU

2) Not everyone has a GREAT air cooled system... so the card is made to get up to 82... hold 82 and run at or nearly peak performance.

3) TO KEEP THE CARD FROM GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 95c! If the card is at 82c, the fan at 100%, and the card has NOT be OCed and OVed to it's max potential, that's as far as the card will go, you will not get any more performance from that card until you can find a way to keep it cooler. . but keep in mind.. no CPU.. no GPU are identical.. some can handle more or less OCing than others. My point is there may be cards out there that 95C is NOT the death temp... that maybe it's 90... or 91.. or 99C... why chance it.... TBh I think this is the REAL reason the stock cards are set at 82C... to keep the card from ever going past (lets say 85c)... and let you keep the life of your card....

While most 780TIs have MAX working temp of 82F, it's ABSOLUTE MAX is 95C.. you touch 95C for a few mins, and you've just halved the life of the card. So the card's working temp and temp of "death" are ONLY 13c apart... that's not a lot of wiggle room. BUT with proper software (nvidia drivers alone can't control crap): EVGA Precision X, or similar program that most OEMS make these days will keep the card at or below 82C if you set the target for 82C.... this is stuff I'm 100% sure you already know. In fact, Evga Precision X will work will almost any brand, make and model of nvidia GTX cards. Under the proper circumstances at 82F, the card will be as overclocked and as overvolted as possible w/o crashing and the fan will probably be around 80%... and if the card hits 82C before max performance is achieved, it will back down on overclocking and probably ramp the fan up to near 100% to keep it going over. For some 780Tis... 100% is NOISY... I have a quiet cooler on mine.. so even at 100%, you can hear it.. but it's nothing like my system if I put its fans to 100% (sounds like a jet airplane taking off)

that's TOO close to the absolute max for the card... if you have a sweet air cooling system, you can EASILY run this card at MAX performance and keep it under 75C.. with H2O CPU cooling... you can go even lower... and no the card will NOT just keep overclocking and over volting to hit 82c... no matter how much you keep something cool.. there's still an OC limit.. and it has nothing to do with temp... people don't realize that every cpu, GPU, etc has MOVING PARTS.. microscopic.. but MOVING... are logic gates in every processor.... millions.. even billions by now...d

Anyway.. the more I looked into this card.. I spent 3 hrs scouring the internet for information: your statement that it's DESIGNED to run at 82C is nowhere to be found. NOWHERE does nvidia claim that 82c is the "normal" temperature for this card... In fact you can't find that statement ANYWHERE on the internet.. except by you or other people.. NOT NVIDIA.. and NOT by ANY OEM CARD MAKERS...All nvidia states is the MAX temp of the card is 95C... so technically the "normal" operating of this card is THIS.. and it's VERY simple:

If you set the target temp for 82c (or whatever evga or another program lets you set it at), AND when the card is overclocked, and overvolted as much as it can be done, and the fan speed is wherever it is at... WHATEVER THE TEMP THE CARD IS AT IS THE "NORMAL" OPERATING TEMP FOR *THAT* CARD IN *THAT* PARTICULAR SYSTEM.... there... easy... they put 82c as the upper end to keep you from going anywhere near 95C and ruining your card. All 82C is the "maximum safe, sustained operating temperature of the card" but that does NOT mean the card was MADE to run at 82C or SHOULD be....

Another way of saying it: "The cards maximum sustainable operating temperature is 82-85C, and with proper OCing, OVing, fan control software, the card is CAPABLE of running at it's maximum performance at 82-85c without suffering any heat damage"

My card cost 200$ more than the avg 780TI as it's factory clocked around 300Mhz higher than the stock base and boost clocks as well as over volted. I can' not boost my clocks any higher.. if I go more than 25Mhz, the card will crash...what I can to is set the power or temp target (in my case temp target).. and set the auto fan graph.. logitech g19 and/or on screen data output... and I set it to 80c as I don't want the card going over that number.. the most I've gotten close to it is 75C... My card can handle operational temps of 95C with the death temp around 105-106C.. basically EVGA made a card.. and picked out the GPUs that could withstand the highest amount of OCing, did it, and sold it... so I don't have to play the OC , OV volt game with this card..it's as fast as it can go. It probably out performs a titian (most 780TIs will at 2K gaming) as memory use will rarely hit 3GB... I think I came right up to 3GB on the new TITAN game... The Titan video cards would surpass the 780TIs in 4K gaming (either 1 4K monitor.. or 2-3 2560x1600 monitors) for 4-7K gaming where 6GB of texture ram is needed...

 

[17seconds]

Anyway.. the more I looked into this card.. I spent 3 hrs scouring the internet for information: your statement that it's DESIGNED to run at 82C is nowhere to be found. NOWHERE does nvidia claim that 82c is the "normal" temperature for this card... In fact you can't find that statement ANYWHERE on the internet.. except by you or other people.. NOT NVIDIA.. and NOT by ANY OEM CARD MAKERS...All nvidia states is the MAX temp of the card is 95C... so technically the "normal" operating of this card is THIS.. and it's VERY simple:

Quote:
"NVIDIA has raised the GPU temp on the GTX 780 Ti to 83c, instead of 80c on the TITAN and GTX 780. Therefore, the GPU is operating correctly running at 83c. The fan had to ramp up to 62% fan speed in order to maintain this temperature. This is higher than the 50% fan required to run the GTX 780 at 80c and even the 60% fan to keep the TITAN at 80c."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_video_card_review/7#.U0i90pUU-Uk

Quote:
"Temperatures are quite good. After seeing numbers in the high 90°s during recent AMD reviews, the 83°C we see from GTX 780 Ti feels almost cool. It's good to see NVIDIA bump their 80°C temperature target, which I felt was a bit too low, up to 82°C."

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/31.html

Quote:
"So with the cards fully stressed we kept monitoring temperatures and noted down the GPU temperature as reported by the thermal sensor.
•The temperature under heavy game stress for the card stabilized at roughly 83 Degrees C. We note down the hottest GPU reading, not the average.
These tests have been performed with a 20~21 Degrees C room temperature. Now remember, you can define your temperature target with GeForce GTX 780 Ti, so if you set it at 70 Degrees C it will follow up on that (with an effect on performance of course).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_780_ti_review,9.html

Quote:
"As with all other GTX 700-series cards, the GTX 780 Ti has its temperature limit set at 82°C so the second it goes above that, the fan increases speed ever so slightly in order to compensate."
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63987-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-3gb-review-11.h

 

[azzazel_99]

The 780ti beats the dog shit out of the titan in every way possible when it comes to gaming. Period. The 780ti also beats the 290x with its 4gb vram and 512bit interface at 4k gaming. Tech of tomorrow did a VS. Test between the 2 cards and the 780ti beat it by 3-5 fps in all test ran. My 780ti classifieds (I run sli now) never get over 75c.

 

[nikoli707]

gk110 reacts to temperature very much according to the bios, what you set as a priority is still overridden by the bios. getting/making a custom bios can override this to a certain extent, but in reality, the scaling for voltage vs temp works very well. take your average kingpin 780ti, it will definitely start to artifact at 75c running 1.6ghz but as long as you stay under you good. trying to run up to 1.7, 1.8, require massive dual pumps and a 360 rad. any higher and you need ln2 if you want to surpass 1.9, 2.0, or i think the world record is somewhere in the 2.1 range at like 10c.

 

[Chad Hay]

Hello Everyone,

I recently had a GTX 770 and when I realized I couldn't SLI two 770's because of my power supply in the future I figured I'd rather get a higher end card and stay with one rather than replacing my power supply and re-wiring everything in the future. Anyways I was going to get a 780 however at my local store it was a little over priced and only $130 less than the ti so I figured why not and got it.

I set it up in the PC, booted up my PC, uninstalled my previous nvidia drivers and downloaded new ones. Then I went on to test it by playing some games. I played Assassins Creed 4 for about 30 minutes and when I went to check the temp saw it was hitting as high as 85C and normally stayed above 80. The game I had everything maxed except phyx was set to low. With vsync on it stayed at 30fps, if I took it off it hovered between 40-50. I was actually hoping to get 60 fps with vsync on but guess not.

Anywho is the card getting to hot? Considering I generally game for 2 hours up to as much as 4-5 straight on the weekends. Will the card consistently staying over 80C shorten its life span or cause my problems down the road? I ran the benchmark software that game with the EVGA cd, Valley benchmark, and it was hitting about 83-84C and staying there. Frames were high, usually in the 90's spiking as high as 120. The GTX 770 I had, had a ACX cooler and was usually around 65C under load, almost never going over 70. The GTX 780 my shop sells comes with the same cooler so I was thinking of downgrading if the heat would be an issue.

The exact 780 ti I have is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487001

The rest of my system is;
i5 4670k, not yet overclocked, usually sits a 3.80 mhz during games 55C
Evo 212 plus cooler
16GB ram
750W modular bronze cert Corsair PSU
250GB samsung 840 SSD

That pefectly normal for a reference 780ti, i have a 780 classified and it runs at most 65C in game stock and 70C with an overclock but i have a big case and 7 fans. But those temps are fine the blower style fans just dont cool as good but better for sli

 

[Martino1994]

I to have a question for the 780 ti, I would like to know, as much as a noob question this sounds, despite the fact that I' quite computer savvy. I would like to know where the heat comes out the 780 ti zotac AMP edition. I thought that it would be coming out of the fans which is like a jet engine, you know what I mean.

Does the heat come out of the vents at the back like where the HDMI connectors are etc, I know that there is some heat released into the case, but even so where is the majority of the heat from this beast going?

Also the case that the case it is going with is micro ATX and micro atx motherboard, the case has space, but it should be good, if there is all the heat going out of the case.

I'am pairing this GPU with a 4770k at stock clock, no over clocking at all on both the GPU and CPU. I will be using a 750W with 62amps on the 12V rail.

I don't intend to overclock at all.

Thanks for response.

Martin

 

[Chad Hay]

I to have a question for the 780 ti, I would like to know, as much as a noob question this sounds, despite the fact that I' quite computer savvy. I would like to know where the heat comes out the 780 ti zotac AMP edition. I thought that it would be coming out of the fans which is like a jet engine, you know what I mean.

Does the heat come out of the vents at the back like where the HDMI connectors are etc, I know that there is some heat released into the case, but even so where is the majority of the heat from this beast going?

Also the case that the case it is going with is micro ATX and micro atx motherboard, the case has space, but it should be good, if there is all the heat going out of the case.

I'am pairing this GPU with a 4770k at stock clock, no over clocking at all on both the GPU and CPU. I will be using a 750W with 62amps on the 12V rail.

I don't intend to overclock at all.

Thanks for response.

Martin

Most of it will go in the case with that card, if i was going to build a small rig i would use a blower cooler.

 

[Chad Hay]

Most will go in the case, for a small case i would get a blower cooler