GTX480 / GTX470 Reviews and Discussion

[Guest]

I think it should be named Fermi Tiny Edition :lol:

 

[IzzyCraft]

No they should save that for the die shrink, assuming nvidia is willing to try another die shrink as they historically like to follow after ATI in that area as so they don't have to invest too heavily into the process. Although clearly this round they should have as the process of making the card is what is hurting the arch, the arch is pretty great otherwise and it is the arch that nvidia lows to spend their money on.

 

[AMW1011]

He did NOT insult you and I still have the WHOLE C/P with your words and if you want to digg deeper I will post it, lets just keep the talking about Fermi, I just said that because the way you talk was not very polite in any way in BOTH threads, ANY one smart enuff would see that, <NOTE:I reread the whole post and the reason your here is because you know that what you said may sound arrogant to others and thats a Good thing what you said at the end, its like selfcorrection but to a degree some people migh misunderstand the meaning Without reading through the end of the post by just reading the beginning where it is shocking> . At least this time, it was better than before, so thers some improvement on this side. Now, If They make a Fermi with 512SPs and 28nm considering a smaller die that works at ~800 Mhz, that would be a Beast of a card but thats well well in the future. Thats what every one was hoping for but wasnt possible for thermal complications.btw the 470 uses 51w more at load than a 5870 and 88w vs 5850. Source: Toms review. Yes the 470 is a better buy than a 480 But not than a 5850@ its MSRPs of 259$ Vs 470 MSRP of 349$. Im talking about now, what it represents , $/FPS , the 5850 has No competition for the moment.

Are you saying that the 4xx series are Equal in term of OCing to the 58xx series? My 5850 OC all the way up from 725 to 975, thats a 250Mhz OC on the Core alone = 35% OC. The ram went from 1000 all the way to 1300 = 300Mhz OC = 30% OC. Most people getting 1Ghz+/1.3Ghz+. I really dont see a way how Fermi would get a 35% OC on air, it just sounds illogical from a physical point since nVidia themeself were Not able to do it. I miss my old 5970 that would run @ 1Ghz, never tried more because PowerPlay will get disabled, and hell when you OC with the 5970 your OC perf. is 2x because you are OCing 2 GPUs at the same time, lmao Crysis Enthusiast was giving same FPS with 0xAA Vs 8xAA,53@1920 CPU limited much lol?. I posted the Max OC on Fermi Vs 5870 in my previous posts that clearly shows it but to a much bigger degree.

Go ahead and post whatever you want, I was right then and I am now. I did nothing wrong then and that still hasn't changed my friend.

I have never heard of anyone getting those results from an 5850:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/33.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5850/6.htm

You either have a non-reference board or you increased the voltages, something that has not been done on a GTX 470.

Look here:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30321-nvidia-geforce-gtx-470-review-31.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/34

They got a similar overclock on a GTX 470 without voltage modifications. Also note that with those heavy overclocking results, they only had to increase the fan form 60% load to 70% full time. I fully expect these cards to overclock very well with voltage mods, not the GTX 480 though.

 

[Guest]

Here we go you wanted it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/283430-33-proof-gtx285-5870-crysis-crysis-warhead

The Bad part:

Quote: Also, let me be perfectly blunt here. If you buy 3 GTX 275s over 2 5870s because of the performance in the 3 year old game, Crysis, your being incredibly stupid. The game is old, the multiplayer average at best, and the graphics are soon to be surpassed.

I'm a pretty civil guy, I like to discuss and not argue. I post on these forums to help people and discuss hardware, in truth I love to help people because it makes me feel good (clique I know).

But really...

In the end, I know more than you and I know better than you. I have lived and breathed PCs my entire life, :lol🙁Sorry,but that made me laugh) my father has owned a PC store throughout the 90s and I've always been an avid gamer and PC builder.

The Good part where you self corrected :

None of this is meant to be offensive, though I understand much of it can be taken that way. Please understand that I just want to help you, it in no way effects me what you buy, only you.

Do you really think you have headroom to increase the voltage with Fermi? Its just not possible on AIR cooling. Please post some OverVolted Fermi OC.
Heres some good reading:

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/overclocking-the-radeon-hd-5850/5/

And http://www.overclock.net/ati/631925-offical-ati-1000mhz-core-club-read.html These are tested with 30min+ of Furemark so dont tell me Their not stable mostly done on air.

All Im trying to say is the physics logic behind it, the fact that the 470 chip is ~2x Bigger than Cypress and the High TDP makes OC horrible. You cant argue with that anyway.

btw many reports showing Dead Fermis when overvolted on German Forums. I guess wait and see?

 

[AMW1011]

Here we go you wanted it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/283430-33-proof-gtx285-5870-crysis-crysis-warhead

Quote: Also, let me be perfectly blunt here. If you buy 3 GTX 275s over 2 5870s because of the performance in the 3 year old game, Crysis, your being incredibly stupid. The game is old, the multiplayer average at best, and the graphics are soon to be surpassed.

I'm a pretty civil guy, I like to discuss and not argue. I post on these forums to help people and discuss hardware, in truth I love to help people because it makes me feel good (clique I know).

But really...

In the end, I know more than you and I know better than you. I have lived and breathed PCs my entire life, my father has owned a PC store throughout the 90s and I've always been an avid gamer and PC builder.

Do you really think you have headroom to increase the voltage with Fermi? Its just not possible on AIR cooling. Please post some OverVolted Fermi OC.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Original:

I am now definitely building a whole new system, i want it to be optimized for Crysis (Warhead), starting with the graphics cards, for which i would be willing to spend £600, the rest of the system would be built to make the most of those graphics cards in Crysis. I'm going to try and keep the rest of the machine under 300 (I stress try).

I have read that the 275GTX's scale really good, especially in Crysis.

TriSLI 285 vs Tri Xfire in Crysis:

http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/HD%205870%20TriFire/P4.html

The 275 only scores 1-2 FPS behind the 285 if at all behind in all the benchmarks i've seen and i've read that you can overclock a 275 to being 4-5 FPS faster than a 285, some suggesting the 285 is just a waste of money(it would cost me about 200-250 each).

ATI Radeon HD 5870 Single, Crossfire and TriFire VS GTX 285 Single, Dual and Tri Sli in Crysis Warhead:

http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/HD%205870%20TriFire/P3.html

The 5870 gets smoked outrageously.

I could get 3 275's for about 450-500, 2 5870's would cost about 600-650, a 5970 would cost about 500-600, Amazon UK offers them for about 420, but they are out of stock and don't know when they will get more, my guess is it will be a long time.

I'm also very skeptical of the 5870's Crysis performance there seems to be so much conflicting data, opinions and reports. I may buy one to test on my current system, just for the sake of comparison.

I could get 3 GTX 285's for about 650, but i don't think that would be any significant improvements over the 275's in Crysis.

Now for the rest of the PC i need some suggestions, not sure whether to go for an I7 or not.

I'm going to stick with Windows 7 32-bit and 2x4GB ram, not sure what speed it would need to be.

I don't know anything about matching CPU Mobo FSB speeds in overclocking and how this effect Ram choices, so i need some help there.

All my PSU needs to do is run the graphics cards, a 1000 watt PSU should be able to handle whatever option i go for, i use 1 CD drive 1 Hard Drive, i have no idea how my mobo and processor would effect power requirements.

Here is a cheap PSU:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-1000W-ATX-GAMING-PC-POWER-SUPPLY-PSU_W0QQitemZ250593138718QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH?hash=item3a5883d81e

# Multi-GPU support independent triple +12V rails designed specially for dual/tri graphic cards
# For Socket 775; AM2 and all backward comptable CPU's; For Quad Core/ Exterme systems

Not sure if that first part is spiel or not and am not sure if the second part indicates it will only work with socket 775.

So if i went with an I7 it would not work?

My Replys

First, I'm extremely skeptical about those benchmarks. At the very least, they were on old drivers. The 5xxx series scales great in crossfire, better than SLI or matching it. So today with newer drivers your going to see pretty linear scaling between the two.

Second, while triple GTX 275s will give you a bit more performance, they lack DX11 and the extra performance will go more or less unnoticed since you will be able to max every game with any sort of optimization. Basically there is no good reason to go with the GTX 275s because they are simply out dated, especially for your price range. Another thing to consider is that you can always add a third 5870 if they ever start struggling with games. Also, the 5870 requires much less power than a GTX 275 which will make your PSU choose easier and cheaper, more on that later. If you can wait about a month and a half, nVidia's GTX 4xx series will be out and they may provide the performance you are looking for in that price range.

As for the system, a Phenom II 965/955 will do just fine with a nice AM3 board. It is cheaper than the i7 and will give you the same performance in gaming. However, if you go the SLI route you need to go LGA 1366 since LGA 1156 is stuck with x8/x8 or x8/x4/x4 and AM3 is stuck with the horrible nightmarish nVidia chipsets, where Intel can utilize SLI on their chipsets. Also, get Windows 7 64-bit, otherwise you will have RAM and VRAM bottlenecking, not to mention that this is 2010...

As for the PSU, no that wont work. You need to look at quality brands like Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, PC Power and Cooling, or the Enermax Revolution series.], otherwise the PSU will die and take your hardware with it.

You can get away with a 750-850w for the 5870 crossfire, but you need a 1000w for the GTX 275 tri SLI.

To give you an idea of why cheap PSUs are bad, and the one you listed is terrible:
http://www.corsair.com/cinema/movie.aspx?id=622747

I doubt it, Crytek n Nvidia are buddy buddies and seeing as Fermi is probably going to be a bust Crytek will likely optimize Crysis 2 for last generation hardware.

Remember they lost out in sales because of the system demands of the last game, they are not likely to push the envelope even further, Crysis 2 will be optimized for generation just past not generation coming.

Additionally the game is going to be ported to consoles, which is why it's expected to be less of a sandbox type game and moved to more urban environments, all this suggests Crysis 2 will not be as graphically demanding as Crysis 1 and will certainly be optimized for Nvidias already released hardware.

Overall, the 5870 xfired would probably be better, but there aren't many games out that it would make much of a difference on. 60 FPS average at 1980x1080 is good enough for me.

The GTX275's TriSLi seems to be one of the only cards capable of doing this on Crysis (maybe a 5970 Xfired could also?) and i'm pretty sure it could run any other game for the foreseeable future at that speed.

Edit: It seems doubtful that a even a 2 5970's xfired would be able to compete with a TriSLI GTX275/285 as it has markedly lower scalability in Crysis or 4 5870's Xfired for that matter.

You need to listen, not jump to conclusions.

There is only one reason why nVidia tended to do better than ATI in Crysis, and its not drivers as both companies have been optimizing the drivers for years now. Its the texture units. The engine that Crysis is built on uses old tech, tech that we were trying to do away with after DX8. Crysis loves Texture units, and nVidia has had more of those than ATI for a long time. This is why nVidia tended to do better in Crysis while being very close else where. However, the 5xxx series has the same amount of texture units as the GTX 275, 80 TUs. This means that there is no nvidia optimization in this context.

Also, let me be perfectly blunt here. If you buy 3 GTX 275s over 2 5870s because of the performance in the 3 year old game, Crysis, your being incredibly stupid. The game is old, the multiplayer average at best, and the graphics are soon to be surpassed. Not only that but look here:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870_CrossFire/images/crysis_1920_1200.gif

As you can see, at 1920x1200, dual 5870s max out Crysis very well, meaning you will get no tangible improvements with 3 GTX 275s.

What will you get with 3 GTX 275s then? You may save a bit of money. Now, what will you get with 2 5870s for slightly more? You get the same performance in DX9/10, lower power consumption, better performance in future titles with DX11, better graphics in future titles with DX11, eyefinity, cooler temps, the ability to add another later, the ability to play any game, including Crysis, maxed with good FPS, the ability to make the price difference negligible because of PSU prices, and the ability to actually save money over the Tri GTX 275 system by going the Phenom II route, which won't give you any less performance in gaming than the i7.

There is no reason to get the Tri SLI GTX 275s. If you choose that route, know at least what you will be missing.

So insulting I know, I should be ashamed! /sarcasm

MY INFAMOUS RESPONSE (I'M SO HORRIBLE!):

I'm a pretty civil guy, I like to discuss and not argue. I post on these forums to help people and discuss hardware, in truth I love to help people because it makes me feel good (clique I know).

But really...

So your buying a PC to play a single mediocre game and don't care that you are sacrificing performance in future, better, titles just so you can get slightly higher FPS in Crysis? I explained once that dual 5870s are closer to Tri GTX 275s than you think as the benchmarks you have seen are using older drivers. I've explained that the "pwning outrageously" you speak of is nothing noticeable in gameplay and is irrelevant, where as the 5870s' advantages are noticeable. I've shown you this, so please give me a reason to try to help you know?

In the end, I know more than you and I know better than you. I have lived and breathed PCs my entire life, my father has owned a PC store throughout the 90s and I've always been an avid gamer and PC builder. This sounds arrogant, I know, and that is okay because I realize that it is arrogant. But what is more arrogant is believing you know better than me and many others on the site that you posted in for the single purpose of getting help from us, the people who know more about these types of things.

If you play nothing other than Crysis Warhead and are fully content to sacrifice on your experience in every future and better game, then the Tri GTX 275s will do better on paper, but they will never show you a noticeable difference over 2 5870s. If you know this, except it, and are still satisfied with this descision then enjoy, I sincerely hope that you do.

I would just hate to see you buy the inferior product for your needs out of some illogical stubbornness, but it is possible this is not the case after all.

As for your purposes, if you are only playing Crysis Warhead, then buying an Phenom II 955 system with a good board with x16/x8/x8 bandwidth is your best bet as you will notice no difference in most games including Crysis Warhead.

None of this is meant to be offensive, though I understand much of it can be taken that way. Please understand that I just want to help you, it in no way effects me what you buy, only you.

His thread devoted to discrediting me:

Note: I am well aware that the title of this thread is wrong it is supposed to read 3xGTX285, i have tried many times to edit the title, but it say i am not allowed, Mods, little help?

To find out what inspired this thread please visit this one:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/283394-15-gtx275-trisli-5870-crossfire-building-system

I just wanted Crysis Warhead at 60 FPS, but you chose to insult me and close my thread 🙁

Someone suggested that 2x 5870's would beat 3x 5870's in Crysis with AA on as 2x5870's had beaten 2xGTX870 in AA.

Well here is benchmarks for 3x285's on a processor clocked 400 Mhz weaker with the same amount of RAM and the same motherboard, but still without full 16x16x16 bandwidth:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/eclipse-plus-n200,2332-5.html

Compare to:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5970,2474-8.html

65 compared to 53

So i reached my goal of 60 FPS even with AA for less money than 2 x 5870's would cost(450 vs 650-700).

Another thing, scaling for the 285 GTX is even better in Crysis Warhead:

http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/HD%205870%20TriFire/P18.html

One more thing at the end of this very long review, overall against all games the GTX285 was on part with a 2x5870:

http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/HD%205870%20TriFire/P18.html

So tell me, if it plays the game i want dramatically better and it also plays all other games taken as a whole on par.

How am i stupid? Never mind all the other well reasoned answers i gave for other contentions.

DX11 Bleh

Eyefinity Blah

Maybe you don't agree with my preference for Crysis Warhead(as a guy just coming into the PC gaming world), or value over the latest thing out, or Nvidia over ATI, but my decision is impeccably well reasoned and I've stressed every effort to prove that in tangible terms, you've done nothing but spout at me.

I only really care about getting through to Q4 to play Crysis 2, but if i want any games in the mean time, this thing will run them.

AMW1011 you posted this :

Also, let me be perfectly blunt here. If you buy 3 GTX 275s over 2 5870s because of the performance in the 3 year old game, Crysis, your being incredibly stupid. The game is old, the multiplayer average at best, and the graphics are soon to be surpassed. Not only that but look here:


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870_CrossFire/images/crysis_1920_1200.gif


As you can see, at 1920x1200, dual 5870s max out Crysis very well, meaning you will get no tangible improvements with 3 GTX 275s.

275's overclocked= better than 285's well documented.

3x285's beats 2x 5870's in Crysis by a large margin about 20%.

In Crysis warhead this margin is even greater margin about 40%.

It also beats TriXfired by about 30%.

Overall a TriSLIed GTX285 remained on part with Xfired 5870's.

Overall a TriXfired 5870 beats TriSLI GTX285's by about 25 percent.

3x5870's would cost over £1000, more than twice 3x285's. A 4th extra performance for over twice the cost? Maybe worth it to some, but like i said i bet if i kept the same system I'd pull 60 fps in any game i wanted for the next couple years, i'm not even hard for money, it just doesn't make sense to piss it away, espcially when the one game i want to plays better on these cards than even 3x5870's.

I rest my case.

Notice how nothing he says makes sense and he completely misunderstands what I said, something I tried to rectify multiple times.

I apologize to everyone for even making this post, but I want it there to show everyone that the statements made by elie to discredit me are completely false, I am also sorry to waste time and get off of track.

 

[Guest]

See? I didnt say ALL your post was bad just reread my previous post please.

All I know is that your quote clearly shows these 2 phrases:

your being incredibly stupid
In the end, I know more than you and I know better than you. I have lived and breathed PCs my entire life

Now Where Did I lie? The quotes are present in your own post, thanks for not editing them. Please tell me If Im lying about these quotes or not. I just hate the fact that you deny saying them. How come my statements are Flase while they are Present in yourown post?

 

[Trueno07]

Has anyone noticed that the prices on the 5850's have gone down to as low as 299.99... Maybe i just haven't checked in a while but I haven't seen them that low. There's also a Vision Tek 5870 going for under 400 on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129140&cm_re=5870-_-14-129-140-_-Product

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

The GPU3 client is supposed to be released in Q1 2010, but it's running late it seems. It should make a 5870 alot faster than a GTX295, but perhaps not as fast as this. Efficient-wise it would wipe the floor with GF100 though.

They shouldn't bother testing with Folding @ Home anymore, the test is outdated until the GPU3 & OpenCL updates come out.
They should've tested with the Milkyway@Home or Collatz client instead, they're already able to use the HD4K & HD5K's LDS features as they do on the nV GPUs.

I expect it to be very interesting, because the HD5870 still has a single precision advantage (which would be more useful for video and such) and the GTX4xx has a DP advantage as well as larger cache and faster memory. So it could make it very app dependent again as to which is 'faster', but I still think ATi has a long way to go to come back to a leadership role in GPGPU regardless of the capabilities of their hardware. Even now the shortcoming of the mid range and lower HD5K series with the lack of DP are being noticed in the new OGL 4.0 standards. Interestingly ATi said 'support is coming' for DP in the mid-range, which is an interesting statement they didn't elaborate on (new drivers with dual issue rounding support or new hardware?)

 

[AMW1011]

Wait, Are you trying to say that he Modified Your posts? When I click on the Thread I exactly see the phrases I highlighted but Not in Your current post whats wrong? 😱

See? I didnt say ALL your post was bad jsut reread my previous post please.

None if it was bad elie, it was to make a point and to show him something... he didn't comprehend it and apparently neither do you.

The whole arrogance talk was to try to show him that it wasn't me being arrogant by helping him when I have more experience than him, which he proved later by saying a lot of dumb things. I tried beyond reason to help him but he wouldn't listen. I tried to tell him that 65 vs 53 FPS is going to make no noticeable difference, but DX10 v DX11 will. I also showed him how he could save money and make the monetary difference negligible, he wouldn't listen.

He chose to make a wrong desicion, insult me, and ignore mine and many others advice. I was targeted because I didn't give up trying to help him like most others did.

 

[Guest]

None if it was bad elie, it was to make a point and to show him something... he didn't comprehend it and apparently neither do you.

The whole arrogance talk was to try to show him that it wasn't me being arrogant by helping him when I have more experience than him, which he proved later by saying a lot of dumb things. I tried beyond reason to help him but he wouldn't listen. I tried to tell him that 65 vs 53 FPS is going to make no noticeable difference, but DX10 v DX11 will. I also showed him how he could save money and make the monetary difference negligible, he wouldn't listen.

He chose to make a wrong desicion, insult me, and ignore mine and many others advice. I was targeted because I didn't give up trying to help him like most others did.

Thanks thats what I wanted to hear, but there was just another way more easy to tell him, or in that case I would just tell the OP to get whatever he wants, you know you cant force people to get the best sometimes some people starts threads like this even if they know and sure about what they will be getting, they open it just to debate against other people lmao

And Yes, I know that 5870XFire was better lmao

Back, I hope these ATis price cutting infect us in Canada too 😀

 

[AMW1011]

Thanks thats what I wanted to hear, but there was just another way more easy to tell him, or in that case I would just tell the OP to get whatever he wants, you know you cant force people to get the best sometimes.

Very true, but his reasons were flawed, and if he would have listened just a little he would have seen that. He made the wrong decision, but it wasn't because I didn't try and that's alright with me.

It seems insignificant, it seems petty, and it seems irrelevant, but where does one draw the line where it just doesn't matter enough to try to do the right thing and help people? That line should never be drawn, that is just how I feel and that is why I volunteer and am going for a nursing license.

Enough about this, it has gotten WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off topic.

 

[L1qu1d]

I think here GTX480 is like HD2900XT, and HD5870 something like 8800
Nvidia next thing might be to make a new series of cards with performance 5-10% more than fermi but lot more energy efficent (GF150 or something like that)

But, either way, i don't think ATi will repeat Nvidia making mistake with HD6xxx like they did with 98xxGT/GTX/+ series

I think history repeats itself by shifting the positions. Nvida in 2010 is ATi in 2007, ATi in 2010 is Nvidia in 2006/2007

My point is Nvidia will have a HAARD time returning their position back on the top. The "greens" might bring a revolution with DX12 and extreme pro-formance like they did with DX10 though

I stand by my Statement. the 2900 XT was less powerful than the 8800 GTX, and performed more like a 8800 GTS 320/640. While the 480 GTX isn't less powerful than the 5870 HD (Aka 8800 GTX so called). What I've seen from Guru3D and Anandtech, I might be wrong, so take what I'm saying with a Grain of salt.

Even if they were the same power, it still wouldn't be that situation.

ITS EXACTLY my chart.

THe 480 GTX 30% slower than the 5970 at times and the 5870 around 10-30% depending on the game (ofc with some games it prob doe the same or more, which we saw from GRID for the 4870)

470 GTX is a big win, I'm going to grab the 480 GTX until the 512 SP or the refresh with less thermals comes out.

Good night to all, and keep the convo clean😀

Be excited to see new cards No1 worry about NV, these cards will sell, just like the 2900 GTXs sold and just like the 3870 X2 sold. They either have fan base or are exactly what ppl need.

I for 1 need a max 2 GPU setup, and I prefer single

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Overally what I expect, a bit faster than the HD5870 at alot more transistors, power, heat; and a bit slower than the HD5970, but surprisingly at more power and heat (and slightly less transistors).

Tesselation will not be implemented like in Unigine but, it is a good synthetic of work overload. Tesselation's best implementation (and likely more future-like one) is where it replaces heavier workloads (replacing higher poly models) and makes high quality images from less. The question will be how long it takes for people to design that way.

Also funny about the whole DiRT2 DX9 stuff after all the faith put into it pre-launch as an indication of its DX11 chops 'in an ATi game'.

The thing that I found interesting in the Guru3D testing was how the GTX480/470 reduced their lead as they went further into the higher settings, despite all the statements about it being high end that it shone in, the graphs shows a trend towards parity instead. This despite the larger memory and higher bandwidth.

All in all good that it's out; nowhere near as spectacular as predicted/marketed, but nice performance none the less; not surprising, but still disappointing power numbers; and still a bunch of question-marks on availability and the delay of hard launch to Q2 a little annoying considering all the flack against the late/delay comments.

Still need to see a little wider performance tests, alot of them seem to still be within a pretty narrow box (likely as directed).

Main thing is having 2 players in the field again, hopefully pushing AMD forward to keep developing, although doubtful this will do anything for prices for now. And really the interesting thing will be the mid-range and how easy it is to do that (although we won't know 'til maybe June?) and I assume mobile will be a while after that.

 

[1898]

TheGreatGrapeApe
I don't think the folding guys care much about ATI and AFAIK GPU3 won't change that either at least that's what has been said the last time I checked their forum. No surprise though, $4m - or how much was it? - is a lot of money. 😉

 

[randomizer]

They shouldn't bother testing with Folding @ Home anymore, the test is outdated until the GPU3 & OpenCL updates come out.

Well the client they used is only 2 days old and built for GF100, so perhaps it's not outdated, just... FLOPtimised? 😀

 

[DarkMantle]

Has anyone noticed that the prices on the 5850's have gone down to as low as 299.99... Maybe i just haven't checked in a while but I haven't seen them that low. There's also a Vision Tek 5870 going for under 400 on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129140&cm_re=5870-_-14-129-140-_-Product

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

You mean as low as 279.99$ 😀 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102884

On topic I'm really not impress by Nvidia this time around but at least they have a product on the market now... well not now but soon to be.
The GTX470 does look nice though like AMW and others said but at that price point I’m not really sure if it will be able to compete with the incoming ATI price cuts, I know some people say this launch does not really put to much pressure on ATI for a price cut but I think there will be, the prices just went up that much because the lack of competition but now the competition is here and we see prices like that 5850 at 279.99.
This is good for all of us and is exactly what I was hoping, ATI prices low enough so I can afford a HD 5xxx card, I will have to import it from the US though you guys have no idea what prices I have to face in my country 539 US$ for a plain Sapphire 5870 1GB and 437 US$ for a Gigabyte 5850 1GB

 

[IzzyCraft]

I wish i lived in a state in the US where i didn't have to pay taxes while shopping on newegg let alone the 8% tax i face luckly i wont have to pay the nearly 10% tax at my local level.

Weird how i don't think the 470 currently is a good deal just for games when i compare it to the 5850 due to the like 70$ price diff when i could supposedly but one or the other.
Newegg's GTX470

I also like how evga charges 30 bucks for a
625MHz-607MHz=18MHz core oc
and calls that superclocked

 

[zendax]

Noise is not a problem for majority of people its just the high heat output would mean less OC headroom and shorter lifetime and high power bill, did I 4get something else?

If you need a silent pc just get Water, thats easy.

It's really not that simple. While gamers may be willing to put up with more noise than your average user, an anyone looking at graphics cards in this segment isn't looking for a silent solution, noise DOES matter.

I had an issue with an 8800GTS I had a couple of years ago where the fan speed was stuck at 100%. It sounded like someone had a vacuum in the next room the entire time my computer was on, and it drove me up the wall.

Sure, if you've got a pair of sealed cans on or you can afford to blast your speakers at all hours of the night without repercussions noise may not be an issue, but for most people, even "hardcore" gamers who are the natural target for the GTX 480, noise is a concern.

This is especially true for folders, who will be using the card to its full potential at times other than when they're blasting aliens 😉

 

[IzzyCraft]

You forgot the part where plenty of people bought your card like a 8800gts and other loud cards like the 4870x2 and 5890 and have sli rigs with 2 cards and crap, as long as it's not a leaf blower which the card is not if you read enough reviews... then you realize the noise coming out of the 480 is nothing.

It's a concern but frankly it's hardly at the top of the lest esp for "hardcore" gamers with their 5.1/7.1 headsets on and crap.

As a general computer user that mostly does transcoding and some testing random *** out noise is much higher up my list to the point where i buy after-market coolers for my gpu's and cpu's just so i can run them always at low rpms.

I'm still not happy about dual slot cards lol i miss my old 6800 sli rig that was a thing of beauty.

Anyways if you payed 500 bucks for a card you'll learn fast to ignore how loud it is. Along with your natural ability to tune things out that are consistent in sound. I remember my CM890 case with 8 fans in it at 2400 rpm sounded like a leaf blower and heated up my room but to me i tuned it out so fast when people came over it would always shock me they thought it was loud.

 

[nmask]

Good reviews, THG especially!

But card..

 

[RealityRush]

Wait who said the 470 uses 80 more watts than the 5870 again?....... The 470 uses 212W and the 5870 uses 188W....... that's a difference of 24W.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=GTX+470&x=0&y=0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=HD+5870&x=0&y=0

The 5870 is about $70+ than some of the more popular 470 brands. So if I have to buy a card or two up here in Canada, that means I'll be saving more like $100 bucks after import taxes and such on the 470, yet it can nearly match the 5870, and actually beat it during heavy tessellation situations. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I still want to see the AIB developer cooling solutions >.<

 

[SV_Bubbles]

-Posted by Tempered81 of the ADT forums; http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2062300
-Owner and creator is Majord of the ADT forums.

Thought I'd re-post this as the creator does a great job to summarize the explosion of benchmarks;

 

[Guest]

Wait who said the 470 uses 80 more watts than the 5870 again?....... The 470 uses 212W and the 5870 uses 188W....... that's a difference of 24W.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=GTX+470&x=0&y=0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=HD+5870&x=0&y=0

The 5870 is about $70+ than some of the more popular 470 brands. So if I have to buy a card or two up here in Canada, that means I'll be saving more like $100 bucks after import taxes and such on the 470, yet it can nearly match the 5870, and actually beat it during heavy tessellation situations. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I still want to see the AIB developer cooling solutions >.<

No one said 80w I said 51w,you cant compare the max board like that, in real world the 470 will be more close the board max of 215w due to the 2x Bigger Die size, 3.2b Transistor:

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,2585-15.html

The max board for the 470 is 215w, but the Very Strange about that is the 250w TDP of the 480 which is sucking more power than a 300w TDP Card 5970.
So either the TDP are lies or the 5970 is pulling under 250w? Which is just pathetic.

 

[dakotablues1]

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=19

Sigh, the 480 drawing 43w more than the Dual-GPU 5970 while being ~1.6-1.8 x slower during Crysis, its also more noisy than the Dual-GPU 5970 solution.

Still, not too bad for a single gpu, at stock clocks, that it comes close to the 5970,( Which BTW, is about $200 more IF you can find one.lol) and was intended to combat and kill the 5870. Nvidia cards have always been relatively power hungry. That shouldn't be a surprise, now. They are still the only cards that can run Physx offloaded from cpu. That can improve a lot of games right there. Has anyone seen any benches compared against 5870/5970 where Physx is enabled vs disabled?

 

[AMW1011]

Still, not too bad for a single gpu, at stock clocks, that it comes close to the 5970,( Which BTW, is about $200 more IF you can find one.lol) and was intended to combat and kill the 5870. Nvidia cards have always been relatively power hungry. That shouldn't be a surprise, now. They are still the only cards that can run Physx offloaded from cpu. That can improve a lot of games right there. Has anyone seen any benches compared against 5870/5970 where Physx is enabled vs disabled?

PhysX is completely useless and is only a marketing tool. The best it can do is some flying papers in Batman AA.