Guns and the Civil Rights Movement

[chunkymonster]

An excellent interview courtesy NPR with Charles E. Cobb and the untold story of firearms used by southern blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Mr. Cobb succinctly sums up the liberal narrative and revisionist history of the civil rights movement...

...the way the public understands the civil rights movement can be boiled down to one sentence. Rosa sat down, Martin stood up, then the white folks saw the light and saved the day.

But the reality was that civil rights in America were hard fought and earned through the blood and tears of the persecuted

After the Civil War, guns were – you had all these black soldiers who had fought in the Union Army coming back home with weapons. So states, particularly in what’s called the first reconstruction, attempted to disarm blacks, and that was not all that successful. You see, if we were really doing a deep look at this period, say, between the end of the Civil War and the start of World War I, you’d see instance after instance of blacks in the rural South fending off the Ku Klux Klan and others with weapons.

From the interview, it is easy to understand how firearms played a central role in securing the safety of southern black families from white supremacists, bigotry, and persecution. I would also argue that, without firearms and the constitutional right to self defense, the civil rights movement would have turned out very different.

 

[musical marv]

Here in Australia we didn't have to go around shooting each other to get our rights either ... we were a bit more civilised.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/port-arthur-massacre-in-australia

To bad it does not rub off in the states like in your country. It is getting to be more barbaric here everyday.

 

[eldapeeze]

I was referring to the Indigenous ... not psychopaths.

You have a Port Arthur massacre every week not one every 10 years ... and as for gun related killings ... well there is just blood and guts all over the place every minute of the day there ... plenty of kids shooting each other ... gangs ... its basically a war zone.

Here when you get pulled over by the police you get out of the car and approach the officer to discuss this issue ... there you keep your hands on the wheel and hope he doesn't shoot you ... because he is so scared the driver is going to shoot him.

Nice place.

LOL. This is why morons from other countries should just stick to their own politics because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. But enjoy the propaganda that is being spewed to you by Herald-Sun.

Please enlight us and tell us why he's wrong.
Shows arguments rather than gratuitous insults.

I know that the preferred response of the guy who is back to the wall is the insult by claiming that the other is ignorant and does not know what he's talking about, but as it is not documented and demonstrate you're talking shit .

(fruitless discussion...)

Easy. He says the US is a war zone. Complete BS. Shootings throughout this country are very rare when you take in consideration that there are millions and millions of guns available in the US. Biggest stat that left wing nuts don't like is the fact that gun homicides and gun crimes are way down. CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/

You like that? Gun crimes decline pretty much every year since 1991. So regardless of what the media tells you, gun crimes are down.

Another thing. Gun deaths aren't even in the top 15 for deaths by people in the US. You would think so with all the BS the media spews, but guns aren't even a factor:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/top-15-causes-of-death

Another thing is interesting is why are a majority of shootings happening in places where there are strict gun laws? Why aren't there mass shootings in Alabama, Missouri, New Hampshire or other states where gun laws are almost non-existent? Most mass shootings have been happening in Gun-Free zones. This is fact. I mean, when was the LAST TIME you heard of a mass shooting at a gun show?

anyways the site below can educate any anti-gun moron on facts about guns. The site takes out bias and just presents facts and statistics.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#[16]

Got more where that came from. This is just a start. Guess you won't be running your mouth anymore. Dont YOU EVER question me again. Got it?

 

[eldapeeze]

Here in Australia we didn't have to go around shooting each other to get our rights either ... we were a bit more civilised.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/port-arthur-massacre-in-australia

To bad it does not rub off in the states like in your country. It is getting to be more barbaric here everyday.

US has always been barbaric. We became a country because of violence. We've gone to war so much including wars that we didn't really need to go (Iraq, Vietnam, etc). The US has always been a violent nation. Sweden is a country the US SHOULD take after. Sweden is gun friendly and they don't have anywhere near as many deaths per capita as the US

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

 

[amdfangirl]

Gun free zones don't work if they are just implemented on a state level.

Who's to stop someone loading their guns from another state into the boot and driving into a gun free zone?

 

[4Ryan6]

Easy. He says the US is a war zone. Complete BS. Shootings throughout this country are very rare when you take in consideration that there are millions and millions of guns available in the US. Biggest stat that left wing nuts don't like is the fact that gun homicides and gun crimes are way down. CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/

You like that? Gun crimes decline pretty much every year since 1991. So regardless of what the media tells you, gun crimes are down.

Another thing. Gun deaths aren't even in the top 15 for deaths by people in the US. You would think so with all the BS the media spews, but guns aren't even a factor:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/top-15-causes-of-death

Another thing is interesting is why are a majority of shootings happening in places where there are strict gun laws? Why aren't there mass shootings in Alabama, Missouri, New Hampshire or other states where gun laws are almost non-existent? Most mass shootings have been happening in Gun-Free zones. This is fact. I mean, when was the LAST TIME you heard of a mass shooting at a gun show?

anyways the site below can educate any anti-gun moron on facts about guns. The site takes out bias and just presents facts and statistics.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#[16]

Got more where that came from. This is just a start. Guess you won't be running your mouth anymore. Dont YOU EVER question me again. Got it?

Nice links thanks for posting them!

 

[gropouce]

I was referring to the Indigenous ... not psychopaths.

You have a Port Arthur massacre every week not one every 10 years ... and as for gun related killings ... well there is just blood and guts all over the place every minute of the day there ... plenty of kids shooting each other ... gangs ... its basically a war zone.

Here when you get pulled over by the police you get out of the car and approach the officer to discuss this issue ... there you keep your hands on the wheel and hope he doesn't shoot you ... because he is so scared the driver is going to shoot him.

Nice place.

LOL. This is why morons from other countries should just stick to their own politics because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. But enjoy the propaganda that is being spewed to you by Herald-Sun.

Please enlight us and tell us why he's wrong.
Shows arguments rather than gratuitous insults.

I know that the preferred response of the guy who is back to the wall is the insult by claiming that the other is ignorant and does not know what he's talking about, but as it is not documented and demonstrate you're talking shit .

(fruitless discussion...)

Easy. He says the US is a war zone. Complete BS. Shootings throughout this country are very rare when you take in consideration that there are millions and millions of guns available in the US. Biggest stat that left wing nuts don't like is the fact that gun homicides and gun crimes are way down. CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/

You like that? Gun crimes decline pretty much every year since 1991. So regardless of what the media tells you, gun crimes are down.

Another thing. Gun deaths aren't even in the top 15 for deaths by people in the US. You would think so with all the BS the media spews, but guns aren't even a factor:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/top-15-causes-of-death

Another thing is interesting is why are a majority of shootings happening in places where there are strict gun laws? Why aren't there mass shootings in Alabama, Missouri, New Hampshire or other states where gun laws are almost non-existent? Most mass shootings have been happening in Gun-Free zones. This is fact. I mean, when was the LAST TIME you heard of a mass shooting at a gun show?

anyways the site below can educate any anti-gun moron on facts about guns. The site takes out bias and just presents facts and statistics.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#[16]

Got more where that came from. This is just a start. Guess you won't be running your mouth anymore. Dont YOU EVER question me again. Got it?

So i just should stop talking ? can't i answer ?
is that the way you imagine a discussion ?

C'mon, i'm sure your mother gave you a better education than that.

I could also insult you as long as i would, but i'm not in that mood.

I only notice that the guy who disagree with you is a "moron", so i'm not sure i'll waste my time talking with you. (and fiy, switzerland and Sweden are two different countries...)

How do you explain differences between switzerland and US ?

What is the most dangerous in the U.S.trigger freaks is that it is never called into question.
When spoken to bear arms, you immediately yell about freedom and amendment (which is older than Madonna's tits)

You are convinced that you are able to manage the bewildering number of firearms in your territory, but the facts are there:
between 2000 and 2008, a total of 617,488 people were victims of firearm injuries in the United States, approximately 68,610 people per year. This number is steadily increasing in recent years, while improving care for wounded by emergency medical services has kept constant the number of deaths by firearms.

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/article/2013/01/08/etats-unis-300-millions-d-armes-a-feu-30-000-morts-par-an_1813806_3222.html


PS: don't talk to me like that. You don't know me, i don't know you. A little respect, please. I didn't insult you.

 

[amdfangirl]

Every time we have this conversation it's always a stalemate.

Same people saying the same few points.

Same namecalling.

I'm going to lock this thread because this is pointless.