[SOLVED] H500M(2080S Gaming x Trio) vs Define R6 (2080S WaterForce 8G)

[Loryy]

Hello Guys, im finally building my next pc but im trying to figure out what case and gpu mix choose, so at first i wanted to go with RTX 2080 Super WaterForce (AIO no WB --) but since i would also go with an AIO for the CPU, that would mean that i'd need a case with 2 radiator spot 1x 280mm CPU AIO AND 1x GPU AIO 240mm But the case i'd like to go the (H500M) for what i've seen isn't compatible with this kind of setup (atleast if you can't prove me wrong and that would make happy), so if i wanted to go with the H500M i'd have to change GPU with the 2080 Super Gaming x Trio. But since i'd really like the Liquid Cooled 2080 Waterforce i've figured in researching come case that can accomodate her AIO, and i've found the Define R6... So my question is there is really noway to mount both AIO's in the H500M? And if not, which Mix has the best overall temps? (Since H500M from reviews seems to have the best temps) but the WaterCooled GPU has for sure better temps then the AirCooled one, So...

R6 + Aorus 2080S WaterForce 8G
OR
H500M + Msi 2080S Gaming x Trio

?

Thanks in Advance for the Replies and sorry for the kind long post

 

[Darkbreeze]

The H500M supports up to 360mm radiators in BOTH the front and top locations. So yes, it should work fine. It's right in the specs.

That being said, the Define R6 is a better case anyhow, but that's up to you.

 

[Loryy]

The H500M supports up to 360mm radiators in BOTH the front and top locations. So yes, it should work fine. It's right in the specs.

That being said, the Define R6 is a better case anyhow, but that's up to you.

Thanks for the reply, but can i mount the GPU radiator inside front (push) and keep the 2x 200mm case fans "outside" still in front (push) ?

And why you think that the R6 is a better case overall? Performance wise i mean.
Since im building a pretty high end pc, which case would you advise?

Mobo: MSI MEG X570 ACE
CPU: Ryzen 9 3900x
AIO: Kraken x62 / Corsair h115i
GPU: RTX 2080 Super Waterforce OR 2080 Super Gaming x Trio (depending on the case)
RAM: G. Skill Z NEO 32GB (16x2) 3600Mhz 16CL (B-Die Chip)
SSD: M.2: 1TB 970 Pro
SSD: M.2 512GB 970 Pro

 

[Darkbreeze]

You probably "could", but it wouldn't really make sense. It would most probably reduce the performance of the fans that come with the radiator AND would create a restriction. It would not be recommended to keep them there if you decide to to install a front mounted radiator.

The Define R6 WITH a custom front panel full mesh mod is one of the best case options you could get. Fractal Design has high quality products and much like EVGA, they have some of the very best customer service in the industry. Cooler master on the other hand, is known mostly for selling budget oriented crap that falls apart when you look at it wrong, and they don't have a terrific track record when it comes to supporting their products either.

If were buying a case TODAY, I'd probably buy the Define R6 TG edition and either get or make a custom full mesh front panel. If I were going to be using an AIO or custom loop, I'd probably get the Define S2, and a custom front panel. Or, more specifically, I'd simply get the standard Define S2, which is the same as the Define R6 but without the drive cages inside and intended for water cooled systems, and modify the front panel myself, like I did for my Define S. The Define S and S2 are designed specifically for water cooled builds.


There are a lot of good choices out there. Phanteks has many very good cases including the Enthoo Pro, Lux and others. NZXT I don't much care for. Nor Cooler Master or Thermaltake.

Fractal design, Lian Li, Phanteks, Corsair, these are manufacturers I like and trust, but even they have some cheap cases if you go cheap. They also have great cases if you are willing to pay a bit more. How much are you willing to pay for a case?

 

[Loryy]

Mmm about 200€
Btw i love fractal design R6 and also Define S2 but their temps and benchmark Linda set me a bit off :S

 

[Darkbreeze]

Keep in mind, ALL testing of cases is generally done ONLY with the fan or fans that come WITH the case. I've rarely seen a case review where additional fans were added so thermal tests in cases should probably be ignored. Any case, with a proper fan population and quantity, will have at least halfway decent airflow. Also, this is EXACTLY the reason why I recommend a custom front panel.

Getting one of these models WITH the "meshify" front panel, that comes with the Meshify models, solves that issue, but I do not like the looks of the meshify panels myself because of the weird angular designs of the mesh on them. I much prefer a normal mod mesh front panel whether purchased that way or done yourself. Like seen here.

 

[Loryy]

That's right too...so if you had to choose btween
a R6 and S2 for my setup 2080S Waterforce Aio(240mm) + CPU Aio (280mm) what would you go with, and how u'd position the radiators? And extra fan for improve temps (even tho liquid cooled gpu should be fine). Btw i sucks at modding case or work metals in general so i dont think i can do much about that

 

[Darkbreeze]

So, IF I was planning to do what you are planning to do, I would go with the Define S2. If you don't mind the Meshify front panel and it's weird "angular" design, and a lot of people don't mind it at all because those angles are actually aerodynamically designed to reduce the noise levels of the air passing through it, or if you were willing to modify the front panel (Or get one that's already customized), then I would put the CPU radiator in the front, as an intake.

I would put the GPU radiator in the top, as an exhaust. And then I would put a really good rear exhaust fan like the Noctua NF-A14 iPPC Industrial 2000rpm PWM in the back fan location.

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-A14-iPPC-2000-PWM-Cooling/dp/B00KFCRMSG

 

[Loryy]

So... i've just bought a Meshify S2 and ML140, and im gonna install the kraken x62 as intake on front, then the GPU AIO on top as exhaust and the ML140 as rear exhaust, so that would create a negative slight negative pressure that i hope should help with the temps. What you think about this setup?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, that works.

 

[Loryy]

Btw what you think about the Corsair 275r airflow? I'd love a front mesh like that. Too bar It hasnt any front type-c

 

[Darkbreeze]

Huh? The 275R has a solid front panel, unless you're seeing a version of it I haven't seen.

 

[Loryy]

There's a new version called "275R Airflow"
Too bad no usbc front Port and plastic. Wish there was a more "premium build" of this.
Btw i was thinking, would improve temps doing a push-pull config on the front of the meshify s2? Like, 2 fans exhausting - radiator - and 2 fans intaking?

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'll bet it's not very quiet even with the slits in the front panel. You should read this and you'll see why I say that, although, honestly, with those big gaps on the sides I doubt the bulk of th airflow is even going through the front slits anyhow.

It's a poor choice to do that, considering that in testing angled slats like that are THE loudest design out of all possible designs, other than a turbine.

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[vMax]

Just to add but it might be a bit late...

I have the Cooler Master H500P Mesh with a 360mm AIO in push pull installed at the top. The 2 x 200mm fans bring air in with the AIO extracting out of the top. My temps for an overclocked 8700K at 4.9GHz have been great...I removed the top plastic see through panel to allow for push pull and used mesh over it..

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, but you are not trying to use two AIO units. But removing the restrictions to airflow are always a good idea where performance is the primary consideration and if you can also make it look good with a minor modification like some mesh, so much the better.

Considering he's already bought what is likely a much better stock airflow design anyhow, as you say, it's definitely a bit late.