HAF 932 cooling

[mjohnson24]

Currently i have the HAF 932 AMD edition with an Intel i7 6900 and a H100i gtx cooling it mounted on top. But i have a 140mm fan on back case, 200mm @ 110cfm i think on front and side. The side i know ( not sure about front ) will take a 200mm ( if its designed to fit the 230mm holes ), 230mm fan or 4 x 120mm fans. Just wnana push more air flow to keep things cooler exspecially more air flow onto my EVGA gtx 1080 FTW. Theres a bitnix 230mm fan with 156cfm @ 900rpms but not sure if id get more air flow and/or cooler air with a 230mm or 4 x 120mm and which ones would be best. Trying to keep it all red led's.

 

[mjohnson24]

yes with 2 cards it will get hotter

see how much improvement you get with a custom fan curve

i have a full watercooling loop yes its not cheap but mine only hits 50c/55c under full gaming load and thats with the cpu in the same loop

lot of maintenance? guess it depends what you use once a year i drain mine down check everything still looks ok like rubbers/seals and stuff

Well i tried it a little during lunch with playing WoW and just about 5 minutes of game play it didnt go over 61c with the custom fan curve that i set below. Ill try it more when i get home in my normal environment of game play but that seems to help alot already. Maybe its a difference in ambient temperature or something but again ill try it again at home.

Custom Fan Curve i set:
50c @ 25%
60c @ 45%
70c @ 60%
80c @ 75%
90c @ 85%
100c @ 100%

 

[mjohnson24]

and not sure transporting a watercooled pc is any riskier than one with a huge air cooler hanging on the cpu socket when i think about it

ah ok. Yea i watch JayzTwoCents on youtube alot since he watercools everything and is a BIG watercooler. i know i did a test render in Autodesk Maya on a 3d scene a friend built and rendered on his AMD 8 core and took 3 hours and i rendered it on mine with an intel i7-6900 8 core ( 16 thread ) and it took 56 minutes and watching the cpu temps it was around 60-62c at the highest from what i seen on one of the cores with the CPU operating at full load so my corsair h100i gtx seems to be working pretty good on that part.

When i get to that point though ill probably do soft tubing for now but with the room i have in the HAF 932 AMD edition case ill probably have to put a 240 rad on top in place of my AIO and add the CPU in the mix with it since i dont really have room to put it anywhere else unless i did a 120 or 140 rad on back and just used it as the rad for my GPU in-turn keeping my AIO on top jsut for my CPU. Not sure what would be better unless i decide to get a better case meant for better watercooling.

 

[mcnumpty23]

glad a custom fan curve seems to help yes at home it may be a bit higher but would guess it may peak around 70c but you can let us know

yes some cases are better than others for watercooling--though have seen plenty where people squeezed stuff in with some very careful thought and

cable/tubing routing into cases that werent ideal

me i just got a huge case lol i would injure myself trying to take this thing to a lan party

 

[mjohnson24]

glad a custom fan curve seems to help yes at home it may be a bit higher but would guess it may peak around 70c but you can let us know

yes some cases are better than others for watercooling--though have seen plenty where people squeezed stuff in with some very careful thought and

cable/tubing routing into cases that werent ideal

me i just got a huge case lol i would injure myself trying to take this thing to a lan party

lol yea some get the mid to smaller towers but me i like full and big towers. May be a little heavy to carry around but i dont do it that often so its not much a big deal to me plus i can get a little foldable dolly to roll it around lol.

I was looking at the full EK blocks ( black) for my card and the price isnt very bad at 139.00. but id have to figureout where to put the pump and what size would fit in my case since the power supply takes alot of the room on the bottom and all 5 hard drive bays are full.

 

[mcnumpty23]

doesnt that have 5 or 6 dvd/5.25 bays?

would be a fair bit of space there would think--cant remember last time i used a dvd/cd so doubt you have all of those full

 

[mjohnson24]

doesnt that have 5 or 6 dvd/5.25 bays?

would be a fair bit of space there would think--cant remember last time i used a dvd/cd so doubt you have all of those full

yea it has 6 and i only use 2. Allthough i have a small card on one side for extra ports for something but its small though.


Tested the GPU at home and it fluctuates between 73 - 79 or so.

 

[mjohnson24]

So i been looking and kinda got an idea. im still leary of Watercooling as some of the horror stories i hear and me having some expensive parts that if they got damaged my desktop would be down for a long while cuase i cant afford to damage them but i know watercooling would be great to cool the EVGA GTX FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 card ( right now one but two in the future ). Watercooling would be a future thing for sure cause to do two cards and watercooling along with 2 ssds, 5 HDDs, fans, i7 6900k on ASUS x99 Deluxe II board, 64gb ram, etc ill need a beafy PSU like maybe the EVGA 1200 P2 PSU. But as for the water cooling components i was thinking of the below. Attached is a pic of one possible config if i did custom watercooling on just the GPU and keep my AIO on my CPU otherwise id replace it with a 240 rad and maybe even add a 140 rad on back as added cooling. (2) 1600 or 1850 rpm fans on the 240 rad and either a 1850 or 2200rpm on the 140 rad. If i can do push pull and still have room i could do that. I dont have alot of room in the HAF 932 AMD Edition case. I also wanna keep it red and black themed. Dont mind a little white in it but lights would be red for sure.

GPU
K-FC1080 GTX FTW Backplate – Black [3831109831779] ( https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-ftw-backplate-black )
EK-FC1080 GTX FTW – Nickel [3831109831755] (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-ftw-nickel)

CPU
EK-Supremacy EVO [3831109800041] (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-evo)
or
EK-Supremacy EVO RED Edition [3831109800089] (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-evo-red-edition)

Reservoir & Pump
First Choice: EK-DBAY D5 PWM MX - Acetal (incl. pump) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-dbay-d5-pwm-mx-acetal-incl-pump)
or
Second Choice: EK-SBAY DDC 3.2 PWM (incl. pump) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-sbay-ddc-3-2-pwm-incl-pump)

RAD & Fans
EK-CoolStream SE 240 (Slim Dual) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-coolstream-se-240-slim-dual)
EK-CoolStream SE 120 (Slim Single) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-coolstream-se-120-slim-single)
EK-Vardar F3-120 (1850rpm) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vardar-f3-120-1850rpm)
EK-Vardar F4-120 (2200rpm) (https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vardar-f4-120-2200rpm)

All i would need then is to figure out what soft tubing i need size etc and the fittings to go with it and what size of them also.

i know as per EK they EK recommends EK-ACF series compression fittings (G1/4 threads)

now those are the slim rads so im assuming that would be fine. I dont over clock my CPU nor my GPU unless its already overclocked from the factory. This system as you can see in the specs bottom right of this post is used for gaming ( like WoW and BF4 and BF1) but not hardcore. I do play WoW in the evenings alot each day but that will change soon as im working on getting myself back into doing 3d animation/modeling in maya and cinema 4d alongside adobe products like premier etc.

Link to pic of outside mount for 240 rad if keep AIO for CPU
http://www.skycloudphotography.com/NewBuild/haf932EKWB.png

 

[mcnumpty23]

yeah ek recommend their fittings but you can use any makers really

g 1/4 threads are the standard size for male ends of fittings--even if the compression end is a different size the end that screws in will be g 1/4

common tube sizes are 3/8 inner diameter with 5/8 outer diameter thats 10mm ID and 16mm outer if using metric

or 1/2 inch inner 3/4 outer thats 13mm inner and 19mm outer

you may find some places the ones in mm might be 1mm different from that but its the same tubing just they rounded up after the decimal point not down

so 3/8 x 5/8 for example might show as 10/16mm or 11/15mm or similar as long as its only 1mm discrepancy thats ok

and think koolance do an outside rad bracket seen one on ebay this week for around £15 that has quick release as well if you want to remove it

 

[mjohnson24]

yea problem with outside rad bracket is it makes it hard to transport if i take it to work for something or to a lan party or something. i went through and decided on a final parts list as per below with a little help from ekwb support via email.


A full list. If 360 won't be able to fit, I will swap it with (1) 240 and (1) 120.
CPU: EK-Supremacy EVO RED Edition ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-supremacy-evo-red-edition
GPU: EK-FC1080 GTX FTW - Nickel ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-ftw-nickel
GPU backplate: EK-FC1080 GTX FTW Backplate - Black ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc1080-gtx-ftw-backplate-black
Pump/res: EK-DBAY D5 PWM MX - Acetal (incl. pump) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-dbay-d5-pwm-mx-acetal-incl-pump
Fans: 3x EK-Vardar F4-120ER (2200rpm) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vardar-f4-120er-2200rpm
Fan splitter: EK-Cable Y-Splitter 3-Fan PWM (10cm) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-cable-y-splitter-3-fan-pwm-10cm
Fittings: 10x EK-ACF Fitting 10/13mm (choose your color) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/fittings/compression-fittings/for-10-13mm-3-8-1-2-tubing
Tubing: EK-DuraClear 9,5/12,7mm 3M RETAIL ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-duraclear-9-5-12-7mm
Coolant: 1x (choose your color) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/cooling-liquids-coolants
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-atx-bridging-plug-24-pin

With 360mm Radiator: EK-CoolStream XE 360 (Triple) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-coolstream-xe-360-triple
or
With 240mm Radiator: EK-CoolStream XE 240 (Double) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-coolstream-xe-240-double
and 120mm Radiator: EK-CoolStream XE 120 (Single) ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-coolstream-xe-120-single

color chosen for fittings ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-acf-fitting-10-13mm-red
color and coolant type chosen ~ https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-ekoolant-evo-blood-red-premix-1l


do you see that i missed anything? Like screws or anything else that is absolutely needed? Hopefully this will all fit in a HAF 932 AMD Edition. I dont think the 360mm rad will fit though on top.

 

[mcnumpty23]

looks ok

with that koolance bracket i mentioned?(will try to find a link for you) it has quick release pins and ek actually have quick disconnect fittings on their predator

AIO would be surprised if you cant buy a few of those from them---others do quick disconnects as well but since you are sticking with ek ask them

this means the external radiator can be removed in under 5 seconds if you want to transport the pc

basically would be separate the quick disconnects on tubing pull pins on bracket radiator is off might not even take 5 seconds

then at other end do in reverse and its back on and connected up easy peasy

 

[mcnumpty23]

heres the bracket i mean its 120mm fitting but its very well made it will support a 240mm or even a 360mm rad --on a 360mm i would probably connect it to

the middle of the rad

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koolance-Adjustable-Quick-Release-Radiator-Mounting-Bracket-PC-Watercooling-/291933664814?hash=item43f89a362e:g:buQAAOSwHMJYG1cU

 

[mcnumpty23]

oh i would probably have gone for 10/16mm tubing but ek should know what they are talking about the tubing diameter is only a minor point really

and ek call the fittings QDC short for quick disconnect couplings i would imagine

 

[mjohnson24]

oh i would probably have gone for 10/16mm tubing but ek should know what they are talking about the tubing diameter is only a minor point really

and ek call the fittings QDC short for quick disconnect couplings i would imagine

yea i've seen some of those QDC's on there in the kit ones. Something i gotta look at and see what i would like to do. I just gotta figure out what would be the best for cooling the CPU and GPU when im rendering 3d scenes etc. Just playing WoW my GPU goes to 73c - 79c just by logging into WoW game and playing. It stays there even when playing a while so thats good that it dont go higher or atleast not above 81c or so. But it will get the high for sure i think if its been rendering a 3d scene for a while and working that GPU and CPU for a long period of time.

the only thing i hate besides transport unless i do QDC's or something is it being big and bulky on the outside of the case and gonna for my Tower to be off the wall even further.

 

[mcnumpty23]

yeah not ideal on the outside of the case but sometimes its the only way though believe somewhere or other i saw a kind of shroud thing that went on top of the case and you could get a 360mm rad in it

but really cant remember where i saw that

or it may turn out --unlike me i might add lol--you are one of those people who figure it all out and make everything fit and still get a nice tidy build

mine always work great lol but arent necessarily the prettiest or tidiest to look at

 

[mcnumpty23]

not sure it will be as hard as you think looks like this guy got a 360mm up top if thats your pc case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4rpXthBVXk

 

[mjohnson24]

not sure it will be as hard as you think looks like this guy got a 360mm up top if thats your pc case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4rpXthBVXk

Yea thats pretty much the same. the HAF 932 series ( 932, 932 advanced and 932 amd edition advanced) i think are all pretty much the same layout inside. I just gotta figure out how the front fan on that 360 he uses is pushing air out since theres a tray thats molded to the case on top on outside right above it. Ill jsut have to move the blue ray player to the bottom and the pump/reservoir combo just above it on bottom. I think there are like 6 5.25" bays so i should have room even for the dual bay pump/reservoir. But in the pic u can see that try thing so thats what i gotta look at and see how the front fan vents around that.


These are my case. Or pics of what my case looks like exactly from google.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legitreviews.com%2Fimages%2Freviews%2F1239%2Fcm_amd_haf_932_16.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legitreviews.com%2Fcooler-master-haf-932-amd-edition-full-tower-case-review_1239&docid=PNDt4wT8evuuNM&tbnid=KMALt5CySBv63M%3A&vet=1&w=550&h=554&bih=1055&biw=1909&ved=0ahUKEwiZxanWnqHQAhVLrlQKHWXADf4QMwghKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMnpPuv6HQAhWJz4MKHe9LCl0QjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computeruniverse.net%2Fen%2Fproducts%2F90376257%2Fcooler-master-haf-amd-edition-rot.asp&psig=AFQjCNHyv3IwKU5gy4ZrJg6BJli-iHQySA&ust=1478972133673441

 

[mjohnson24]

id like to get mine somewhat nice and tidy so i can still replace some things that dont require the loop to be removed. But im not looking for what some may do thats immaculate lol.

 

[mcnumpty23]

yes understand what you mean about the tray bit

even if the third fan is only getting a little air out through small vent holes cases tend to have with the other 2 fans on a 360 rad shouldnt be an issue any way really

vaguely recall simulating a fan failure when i did the if 1 pump fails test and to be honest there wasnt a difference i could measure--any fluctuation was small enough to be account by variables

but with that case imagine you can just pop the top of to see whats under the tray any way

 

[mjohnson24]

yes understand what you mean about the tray bit

even if the third fan is only getting a little air out through small vent holes cases tend to have with the other 2 fans on a 360 rad shouldnt be an issue any way really

vaguely recall simulating a fan failure when i did the if 1 pump fails test and to be honest there wasnt a difference i could measure--any fluctuation was small enough to be account by variables

but with that case imagine you can just pop the top of to see whats under the tray any way

so i didnt look inside or anything but i figured out that it can take a 360 Rad. The front fan on the rad pushs air up into where you see the red part of the case meet the metal black part of the case on top. The part of the red plastic part of the case on top thats slanted has vents where the fan can push air into it and escape out the vent holes they made in the plastic. The pic shows a side view but couldnt find one on the net that shows exactly what i was talking about but this side view gives you a rough estimate.

http://assets.coolermaster.com/global/uploadfile/fileproduct_list/P13021803219bf9/PRDPIC/5d85dc21efd18ae11b24709ba1ce66d6_1361408634.jpg


So in short it looks like i can do a 360 rad. The only thing i gotta figure out is make sure the rad with fans in push config being will fit and not interfere with my board or any components. From the youtube video you posted previously it shouldnt just wanna make sure. I think the one 360mm rad will be more than enough to cool two 1080 gpus and one i7 6900k cpu according to ekwb. the 360mm rad and the fans at 25mm thick will total 85mm + or - and thats pretty thick. from the looks of it on the outside if i out the cdrom all the way at bottm and then the dual bay reservoir/pump combo in the two slots above it, the 360 rad will come down and take over the two top bays leaving one bay in the middle of clearance so im asuming it should work. If not i can always get an external cdrom since i do use it sometimes. it will be a while before i get all the stuff but maybe once i get it and install it all ill take pics of it and post them. And the tray at the top has a fill prt so i can rig a hose to the pump and recess it in that hole as a fill port directly into the reservoir.

 

[mcnumpty23]

sounds like you are good

only one small point--some people still forget it though

you want to have a drain point--at the lowest part of the loop in case you need to empty it

i used a 3 female t piece--ie on left side your tubing with the compression fitting male screws in

same on right side

then on the part of the t that goes the opposite direction a short male to male g 1/4 extender

and on that i have a ball valve with a stop/blank on the other end

if i want to drain i remove the stop/blank screw in a length of tubing that has a compression fitting on it that runs into a bowl/bucket etc

then open the ball valve then slowly open the fill port at top of loop so air lock doesnt stop liquid flowing and it empties

that sounded complex but its actually pretty simple

 

[mjohnson24]

sounds like you are good

only one small point--some people still forget it though

you want to have a drain point--at the lowest part of the loop in case you need to empty it

i used a 3 female t piece--ie on left side your tubing with the compression fitting male screws in

same on right side

then on the part of the t that goes the opposite direction a short male to male g 1/4 extender

and on that i have a ball valve with a stop/blank on the other end

if i want to drain i remove the stop/blank screw in a length of tubing that has a compression fitting on it that runs into a bowl/bucket etc

then open the ball valve then slowly open the fill port at top of loop so air lock doesnt stop liquid flowing and it empties

that sounded complex but its actually pretty simple

oh ok i got the part of needing a drain port but didnt quite understand where u were saying put it etc after the 3 female t piece. Do u have a pic or something to better understand it? I did think about that part though. I've been watching alot of youtube videos with JayzTwoCents and a couple others.

 

[mcnumpty23]

not sure where my camera is at the moment

the drain port should be at the lowest point of your loop--because to empty it you use gravity--you shouldnt run the pump to empty it if pump runs dry even for couple of seconds very bad news

exactly how you do the drain point can differ

my way

imagine you have a piece of tubing--you cut it in half

you put a compression fitting on the ends closest to the cut

those screw into a t-piece you now have 1 length again but with a third port still available on the t-piece pointing downwards

on that goes the ball valve

is that any clearer than before?

 

[mcnumpty23]

you would end up with something looking similar to this where flow is horizontal

and drain is down

https://d1rktuf34l9h2g.cloudfront.net/e/ee/ee1ec151_104_2441.jpeg

 

[mjohnson24]

not sure where my camera is at the moment

the drain port should be at the lowest point of your loop--because to empty it you use gravity--you shouldnt run the pump to empty it if pump runs dry even for couple of seconds very bad news

exactly how you do the drain point can differ

my way

imagine you have a piece of tubing--you cut it in half

you put a compression fitting on the ends closest to the cut

those screw into a t-piece you now have 1 length again but with a third port still available on the t-piece pointing downwards

on that goes the ball valve

is that any clearer than before?

yea it is. i knew it har to be at the lowest point of the loop for it to drain due to gravity. my lowest point will be my gpu since the pump is just below the rad at top then itnwill go to my gpu then upto cpu then to rad.

 

[mcnumpty23]

so where it comes out the bottom of gpu would be the place for a drain point