HardOCP Overclock Phenom 9600 Black Edition

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http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQzMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Overclocks just as well as the engineering samples...
 
Wow, cool article, if a little short. Seems the last couple of days have come through with more promising news for Phenom. Makes me wanna get one to check it out! Maybe next year, around Q2
 
AMD Phenom 9700 2.4 GHz 125 W
AMD Phenom 9600 2.3 GHz 95 W
AMD Phenom 9500 2.2 GHz 95 W

One of these things is 31% more than the others...
 
Now if they could just release a stock 3ghz BE that will go 4ghz like intel, then we will see a real battle!

Gimme that 10,000 model !
 
While this Phenom Black Edition is not going to run like a top Intel quad, it finally has the look of something interesting. Can't get it until after Christmas or maybe New Year's, but unless something better comes out, I might just give it a try.
 
When you compare the Phenom to Intel’s Core 2 product line, the parts pull up fairly equal in the mid-2GHz clock range. The Phenom is in no way a bad product, it just so happens that Intel’s Core 2 line simply scales better in terms of clocks and performance. In fact, the Phenom is a very good processor, it just simply is not the "best." There will be many Phenoms finding their way into enthusiast cases simply due to the fact that Phenoms can be found inexpensively, they have tremendously stable infrastructure behind them, and are showing to overclock very well. And AMD is letting us do it easily with the Black Edition Phenom.
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Since when was it fairly equal any of the Intel quads.

Phenoms can be found inexpensively! Not quite as inexpensively as Q6600 which is quicker at stock and overclock higher and easier.

Stable infastructure. Obviously thats why AMD chose to release a bios patch to fix those stability issues which in turn decreases performance by 20%.

Phenoms are overclocking well. They are overclocking so well that AMD has decided not bother releases higher clocked versions because they believe that at 2.6ghz it won't have any issues.

Now I am an AMD fan but I'm getting pissed off with people twisting facts and divulging incorrect information to buyers that don't know any better. As they are a reviewer they are obliged to show facts not make things up.
 
After my little rant if they actually get a Phenom to run stable at 2.8ghz that is at least an improvment. However once again the review has no mention of any voltages or whether it will at least beat a Q6600. But for existing AM2 owners this is at least a sign of an improvment.
 
Real world situations (games, office applications etc) you're not going to notice any real difference between a 2.4GHz AMD quad and a 2.4GHz Intel quad.

Phenom 9500 (retail) = $200 ... q6600 (oem) = $260 ... in other words, phenom's cheaper.

Infrastructure (from my understanding) is referring to the platform (AM2/AM2+/AM3)

Check the screenshot of the AMD overdrive utility in the article, it shows the voltage. Read the thread attached to the bottom of the article, voltages are talked about by Kyle Bennett in there.
 


This article showed that the retail one matches the engineering samples (at least for clocks) and we've all seen the comparisons between the overclocked engineering samples vs. various core 2 chips.
 
Phenom 9500 (retail) = $200 ... q6600 (oem) = $260 ... in other words, phenom's cheaper
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Price wise in the UK the Q6600 is cheaper I didn't check the US prices. It works out about $60 cheaper if you convert it.

Real world situations (games, office applications etc) you're not going to notice any real difference between a 2.4GHz AMD quad and a 2.4GHz Intel quad.
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True the difference won't be very noticable to the average user but seeing that it is only marginally better clock for clock than K8 anyone with a K8 above 2.4ghz shouldn't really bother because it almost a downgrade. Besides it is pretty hard to tell the difference between a Q6600 and a QX9650 without actually benchmarking.

Infrastructure (from my understanding) is referring to the platform (AM2/AM2+/AM3)
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I took it as meaning architecture (K10) which isn't exactly bug free. If he meant platform then I agree there is nothing wrong with AM2/+.

Check the screenshot of the AMD overdrive utility in the article, it shows the voltage. Read the thread attached to the bottom of the article, voltages are talked about by Kyle Bennett in there.
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Your are right. I didn't see the screenshot there.


This article showed that the retail one matches the engineering samples (at least for clocks) and we've all seen the comparisons between the overclocked engineering samples vs. various core 2 chips.
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Also true I completely forgot we already have the results of overclocked ES Phenoms. Even overclocked they still didn't beat the Q6600. However at the price you are getting them in the US that would change things a lot. Price/performance completely changes in that case. But you can see where I was coming from.
 
Phenom 9500 (retail) = $200 ... q6600 (oem) = $260 ... in other words, phenom's cheaper.
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Why are you comparing a 9500(2.2) to Intel 2.4? They are clock for clock close, but why not the 9700(2.4). Ohh right, it cost more. Where i live the Q6600 is still cheaper then the 9500(both retail)....

Either way its good that things are moving along at amd.....this keeps the prices lower....
 


Given the dramatic change on the SiSoftSandra score, Phenom and the TLB bug patch is nowhere near as bad as earlier thought. With the service pack installed to Sandra, the scores of 4789 mb/s on the integer and 4805 mb/s on the floating point go up to 9624 mb/s on the integer and 9637 mb/s on the floating points, more than double what was previously reported. This can only be good for AMD and the Phenom.
 
Check it out.seems rather interesting (don't know if that site is trustworthy though)
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/phenom_9900/
 


Because I was discussing affordability... But if you want to go that route... Cheapest intel Quad (for LGA 775) is the Xeon 3210, clocked at 2.13GHz (slower than 9500's 2.2GHz) and priced at $247 (newegg time of posting) for the retail version.

So, roughly equivalent clocks, but the phenom 9500 is $50 cheaper and has a higher stock clock speed.



True about that, I'm stuck in the UK and all our e-retailers seem to be disregarding AMD's slashing of the price atm... Only a matter of time though hopefully.
 
Hmmm...

it OCs to 2.8-3 Ghz


Not as good as Intel, but it's at least somewhat respectable. Decent overclocking in addition to overdrive makes it more appealing.

If they can supply a decent quantity I'll call this one a success.
 

Doubt it, the reviews with overclocked Phenoms suggest that at 3GHz, it's already well over 200W under full load. 3+GHz is simply out of reach for air cooling.
 
Hey any one think if AMD can increase its L2 cache size to 1Mb per core would that significantly increase its performance or won't make much of a difference?(if possible that is with K10 achitecture)
As you may see from my status i am a newbie but i have always been following latest technological develpments since GCSEs (6+ years) and this site has been no1 source of information :)
 
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