Why do you say that? I have one and it seems to have great performance. My E6600 @ 3.0 ghz idles at 30C, and 47C @ 3.6 ghz. That seems good to me... Of course I know there's better out there like the Tuniq Tower and Scythe Infinity, but the Zalman still does a good job.
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By no means are the Zalman coolers bad coolers. They are simply crappy price/performance and are not top of the line in any aspect other than "cool" factor. Yes, they are great coolers, yes I would gladly use one if I was given one for free. No I would never spend twice the money it would cost to get an equal performing or better performing air cooler.
Zalman makes great cooling products, they just have to ease up on the prices to make them more competitive. They will probably always be slightly over priced because people still buy them and will continue to do so because the nature of the average end user is to impulse buy and buy based on factors other than price/performance. (Ex: iPods, if everyone did research, it wouldn't be such a trend)
Zalman makes great cooling products, they just have to ease up on the prices to make them more competitive. They will probably always be slightly over priced because people still buy them and will continue to do so because the nature of the average end user is to impulse buy and buy based on factors other than price/performance. (Ex: iPods, if everyone did research, it wouldn't be such a trend)
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I agree with you N8DOGG.
While some individuals feel free to engage in Zalman bashing over price, they fail to consider other important performance aspects of a good CPU cooler diesign. To take the CPU Cooler debate to a level playing field, the following article reviews all late model high end CPU coolers:
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2045&page=4
The excellent radial design of the Zalman has intake airflow and outflow disbursal patterns which also cools components adjacent to the CPU socket, such as memory modules, chipsets and voltage regulators. This is a feature overlooked by most individuals, which I consider essential for improved overall system cooling. 8)
While some individuals feel free to engage in Zalman bashing over price, they fail to consider other important performance aspects of a good CPU cooler diesign. To take the CPU Cooler debate to a level playing field, the following article reviews all late model high end CPU coolers:
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2045&page=4
The excellent radial design of the Zalman has intake airflow and outflow disbursal patterns which also cools components adjacent to the CPU socket, such as memory modules, chipsets and voltage regulators. This is a feature overlooked by most individuals, which I consider essential for improved overall system cooling. 8)
6600 on P5WDG2 WS Pro
3.6 GHz orthos stable, 3.7 GHz mostly app stable, 3.8 GHz SPi stable, 3.9GHz will post but not go into windows.
Cooling: SI-128 (air)
My 24/7 is 3.6 GHz (401 FSB, 1:1)...Running about 1.55 vcore under load.
My chip isn't a great clocker but it's ok.
And before anyone freaks out about such "high" volts, no, I'm not keeping the same CPU for the next 5 years, thanks.
3.6 GHz orthos stable, 3.7 GHz mostly app stable, 3.8 GHz SPi stable, 3.9GHz will post but not go into windows.
Cooling: SI-128 (air)
My 24/7 is 3.6 GHz (401 FSB, 1:1)...Running about 1.55 vcore under load.
My chip isn't a great clocker but it's ok.
And before anyone freaks out about such "high" volts, no, I'm not keeping the same CPU for the next 5 years, thanks.
Nice cooler from what I have been hearing
One of the best air's, if not THE best for in-case situations. It functions as a perfect board cooler, which is needed since I have my board volts generally higher. I ran a tuniq, which had temps just as good, but my board got too hot. Tuniq is best for benching in open air, SI-128 with a "tall" fan that can pull in cool air from outside the case is best for in-case. I'm sure TTBT does the trick as well, but SI-128 is good until I jump to phase.
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Easy with the flame thrower. 8) Obviously you didn't read this.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2045&page=4
I extensively researched many CPU coolers before deciding on the Zalman 9500. It fits into my case, and it suites my needs extremely well for my rig, at 52c full load.
My exact word was "improved". I've gone to great lengths to modify my case for excellent airflow, and it's as good as they get. 😀
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Speaking for myself, I'm not interested in placing blame, I'm just interested in solutions. My case airflow is excellent, and I'm happy with all my temps. 😀
If a Tuniq tower would fit in my case, then I'd be running one. :lol:
Nice cooler from what I have been hearing
One of the best air's, if not THE best for in-case situations. It functions as a perfect board cooler, which is needed since I have my board volts generally higher. I ran a tuniq, which had temps just as good, but my board got too hot. Tuniq is best for benching in open air, SI-128 with a "tall" fan that can pull in cool air from outside the case is best for in-case. I'm sure TTBT does the trick as well, but SI-128 is good until I jump to phase.
I guess I just dont see how anyone could be having temp problems with their board unless they are missing your typical intake and exhaust case air flow setup.
I can only see it being a problem if you dont have at least 2 case fans, one for pulling air in and the other to exhaust it. Keeps everything nice and cool. It just seems dumb to not have decent case airflow.
With my setup my motherboard temps are only 32c and thats with my E6400@3.5ghz
My concern with mobo temps is for orthos runs. Run orthos blend for 24 hours and your board temps won't be 32c unless you have very low ambient. I do have good case airflow, but I also have a case full of raptors, an 8800GTX, and other heat sources. Without directed airflow near the sink, the NB gets blazing hot.
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E6600 can be overclocked to 3.4Ghz easily on air. 3.6Ghz on air too but gets a little hotter. 3.8Ghz too but as far as I know runs kinda toasty.... I really dont know about 4ghz
To ironkid, you really live under a rock with some cheapo hsf because even at 3.6Ghz everything is estable in air.
To ironkid, you really live under a rock with some cheapo hsf because even at 3.6Ghz everything is estable in air.
Nice cooler from what I have been hearing
One of the best air's, if not THE best for in-case situations. It functions as a perfect board cooler, which is needed since I have my board volts generally higher. I ran a tuniq, which had temps just as good, but my board got too hot. Tuniq is best for benching in open air, SI-128 with a "tall" fan that can pull in cool air from outside the case is best for in-case. I'm sure TTBT does the trick as well, but SI-128 is good until I jump to phase.
I guess I just dont see how anyone could be having temp problems with their board unless they are missing your typical intake and exhaust case air flow setup.
I can only see it being a problem if you dont have at least 2 case fans, one for pulling air in and the other to exhaust it. Keeps everything nice and cool. It just seems dumb to not have decent case airflow.
With my setup my motherboard temps are only 32c and thats with my E6400@3.5ghz
My concern with mobo temps is for orthos runs. Run orthos blend for 24 hours and your board temps won't be 32c unless you have very low ambient. I do have good case airflow, but I also have a case full of raptors, an 8800GTX, and other heat sources. Without directed airflow near the sink, the NB gets blazing hot.
Running orthos blend overnight only gets my MB to 37c. For what its worth my room temp is 68F.
I have the following-
E6400@3.5ghz 1.4v core
Asus P5b delux
4gig DDR2@1000mhz 4 4 4 5 2.3v core
8800GTX@630c and 2030mem.
Soundblaster Audigy 4
37c is too hot for my board, because it's much hotter than what it reads. Also, you are running 965, I am running 975. NB is almost too hot to touch w/o fan blowing on it. I'm not sure if you're saying I'm imagining it's too hot to touch or what your ultimate point is. There is more than just the CPU to keep cool, and unless I have a huricane of airflow through the case, having air blow down on the NB when heavily overvolted is a nice to have.
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This is the main reason I'm using a TTBT instead of an Tuniq Tower... I still find myself tempted to pick up a Tuniq just to give it a try.
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Are you basing this claim just on your own 6400 or on a larger data set? I've seen a friend's 6400 at 4G on air running dual prime but he could have an exceptional chip. It probably helps that he's a very accomplished overclocker too.
Have things changed that much since Toms published this article on overclocking the e6400. Why didn't they push it to the 4ghz limit? What am I missing? Sorry for asking but it's been a long time since my last build and OC.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/
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You obviously didn't read everything so allow me to say it again and this time its for the last time as this is getting really old quick.
Yes, I've seen your claims repeated here. I just asked what you were basing them on.
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Nice rig RobX2 really top notch stuff in there. And is that what the tuniq tower-120 really looks like? Geez that thing is massive. I'm gonna get a scythe INF-1000 just because it's easier to find than the tuniq tower. Unless I do find one then I might buy it (but my case might have clearance issues)
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Well obviously I did seeing as I took the time to respond to it :roll:
That fact is, you still have not answered it. The question was simple. Look back up in post #86 and you'll see that I asked the following:
"Are you basing this claim just on your own 6400 or on a larger data set?"
See, I've read this entire thread including all of your fist-pounding and name-calling, but when it gets to specifics, you only mention YOUR 6400. I'm asking if you're basing the claims on real numbers. In message 24, you stated:
"If anyone is truly able to get a stable 4ghz P95 overclock on air with acceptable temps on an E6400 then they are most likely in the 1%range of people who just got damn lucky."
So I'm asking: Is the "1%" you tossed out based on real data? What is your source of data? Just your 6400?
I'm not just asking about your 6400. I'm asking if the info you report as if they are absolutes are based just on your chip alone or if you've looked elsewhere and collected data. I've personally witnessed an air-cooled 6400 running dual prime at 4GHz. The REASON I'm asking you what you are basing your claims on is because a friend is assembling a PC with a 6400 and he asked me what kind of air cooled OC to expect. He's got the Gigabyte P965 and some Mushkin Redline RAM so I told him he'd probably do better than 3GHz but I didn't know that he'd be able to get over 3.4. If my friend had asked about a 6800 on air, I could have provided a bunch of links to stuff on Xtreme Systems, Toms, etc., but I haven't followed the 6400 much because it doesn't interest me as much as the larger cache chips.
If you think that your chip represents the peak performance of all 6400s, then you're probably mistaken. The three game boxes in our house have the same CPUs, mobos and GPUs but they don't OC the same and even seem to show more CPU/mobo interactivity than I'd expect. Hard core overclockers are known to purchase multiple CPUs in an attempt to get an exceptional chip.
becose every silicon part is different and not all strained materials have the same concentrations of electrons and are not the same perfect parts, when they use light to oxid some parts of the silicon piece not all them get the same, so some processors have current leakages when high frecuencies and some others have not , the most perfect ones start to have current leakages at higher core clocks, thats what intel uses to say if one core should be a e6600 or e6700 or whatever......, there are not robots manufacturing processors so easily as u thing, there are chemical treatments, lighting serigrafy over the silicon slice....... much complex thing that make dies from the same piece os silicon to differ a lot.
PD: sorry for my english
PD: sorry for my english
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I have mine @:
Core2Duo E6600 @ 3.6 GHz (400 x 9) @ 1.425V
Corsair Detonator PC26400D @ 2.1V
ASUS P5B Deluxe
Zalman CNPS9500 LED CPU Cooler
120 MM Fans (1 intake, 1 exhaust)
EVGA 8800GTX
Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Runs stable 24/7 and I have windows set to a low power profile so when the PC is idle, it will drop the voltage and multiplier to conserve power. When the process is being used, it goes back up to full speed. Not bad if you ask me. I would like to water cool though in the future.
Core2Duo E6600 @ 3.6 GHz (400 x 9) @ 1.425V
Corsair Detonator PC26400D @ 2.1V
ASUS P5B Deluxe
Zalman CNPS9500 LED CPU Cooler
120 MM Fans (1 intake, 1 exhaust)
EVGA 8800GTX
Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic
Runs stable 24/7 and I have windows set to a low power profile so when the PC is idle, it will drop the voltage and multiplier to conserve power. When the process is being used, it goes back up to full speed. Not bad if you ask me. I would like to water cool though in the future.
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