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buwish

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I am indeed a scholar of modern Russia, Imperial Russia, and the Soviet Union. All that radiation you've absorbed over the years has indeed given you psychic abilities.

On a side note, I had a CT scan a few years ago so a doctor could tell me that I had a kidney stone, even though I knew what it was (the pain is un-holy). I asked the CT tech how much radiation I was getting with it, yet he couldn't tell me... Is that a bad thing? :lol:
 

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The radiation created during a common x-ray (ct whatever x-ray) is controlled. The amount of x-ray, the speed at which it travels and directed to the tip of a pin. Radiation is cumlative. Once you have set in th sun all day for enough days, you will die of over exposure to radiation theoretically. The amount of radiation your body can receive in your lifetime is 'limited'. No infinite amounts. If anyone asks me about how much radiation they are recieving whei=n I'm taking a skull film, I always say. "I control the amount, speed and direct it to tghe tip of a pin. You are getting more radiation walking from your car into my office than I will cause you. I can't figure out wh I glow since 1987? Psychic.? Yes. Totally. Fortune Teller worthy.
 

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I would add, it is the distance from the sun and our earth's atmosphere that prevents all of us from dieing from radiation exposure. X-ray is a form of light. A single candle being the lowerst form of ligh, then two candles, then a 100w bulb, then neown lights of Vegas, then a jump to X-ray then on to gamma rays then to the highest source of light we know, the sun itself. The light from the sun creates the blue sky you enjoy most everyday. The color of light spectrum stretches from white to yellow to red to blue and so on. Our sky is blue because the light from the sun is blue in the color spectrum by the time it reaches the earth. Mars has red sky because it is closer to the sun and the suns light is red on the color spectrum at the point of Mars.
 

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Yeah, I take some large films of the skull. A Panoramic 12" x 6" I believe. Then a full skull 12" x 10" I believe. The latter is used to measure the bones of the face and skull when drawing up a diagnostic treatment plan to rearrange the face if you will. My wife is the architect and practitioner. Funny, I have been around Dr.s' all my adult life, well since my twentys. Our best friends are Dr.s. Maybe that's why I act so goofy on this forum. I'm bored stiff being serious all day. I don't know much about gamma ray. I had to study quite a bit to pass the state board licensing exam to get my x-ray tech license. That was almost twenty-five years ago. I had to x-ray a dummy first. Then move on to a living person. My wife's girlfriend who is a Dr. I got the only perfect score in my class. 100% and there was a dentist from Mexico in the class who didn't have the credentials to practice dentistry. We are looking to buy new digital x r-ray equiptment in recent years. There is no x-ray film. The x-ray images are created directly onto a hard drive. Then expensive software manulipates, measures and stores the images which can be printed or emailed to other offices. When I go to the conventions, I notice I know a lot more about computers, x-ray, software, etc. than the slaes people. I have to talk to the tech people with my questions. We owned a small corporation for years doing x-ray for insurance companys.
 

buwish

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No doubt digital tech is far better than the old school x-rays, especially in convenience terms. The one's I've had were digitals, i.e. they would put them on a disk for the specialist to look at. How much does a digital x-ray machine/software cost these days?
 

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Haha. It depends on what machines you are looking at and who you are talking to. Conventional x-ray is still used like 70-80% of the time for what we do in a private practice situation. Less than say 8 years ago only universities and hospitals could afford digital equiptment we would use. But in recent years the price for the digital equiptment we need has come down. Ha, right now some weeks we talk it over and think we should buy new now. Technology changes fast. Equiptment that costs 6 figures 5 years ago becomes a thought buying used today. We are kind of hung there. We do a little outside work still, but nothing like we once did. Insurance company's and other doctors using our 'service'. So any equiptment we purchase today would pay for itself so much as in the past. WE are only talking 'digital' x-ray. Ha, there is 'cone beam' technology for what we do. Three dimensional Sticker shock. And software makers are crazy. A few years ago we priced out a Kodak system and the software came with a $300 a month 'maintenance' fee. They can have that.

http://www.dentalproductsreport.com/articles/show/dpr0309_cl_cone-beam-advantage

Nice pictures. Space age:

http://www.spacecoastmedicine.com/2010/08/cone-beam-computed-tomography-allows-dentists-3d-diagnosis.html

 

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Software updates! That was about 6 years ago. Some of the companies have came to their senses about this kind of absurd mantainence fee. I'm serious $300 a month for their software maintenance/update fees. The software itself is 5 figures. The software is still very expensive today. Expect this kind of riidiculous pricing for medical/dental related equiptment. Think M$ is bad asking a hundred bucks or so for their OS and giving you free updates and SP's for 10-15 year? Ha, the companies selling this software consider you a typical end user or 'moron'.
 

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Hey, shadow you could be a kodak sales rep traveling around the country (world) to all the dental related conventions showing off the latest equiptment/software. You'd be the first non nOOb they employ.
 

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@buwish. A few of the oral surgeons we work with don't even have the x--ray equiptment we have set up in their offices! Patients under our care are having serious surgery to their face and the surgeon is asking us for the x-ray we took to fully diagnose and plan the operation. One of the films we take is large for dental related situations. More like medical sized films, certainly not the small periapical films your dentist uses during a routine exam. The surgeon doesn't want to buy 40K dollar equiptment to take one specific x-ray. Thedigital equiptment used to take those small dental films you are familiar with is relatively inexpensive. A lot of private office have those.
 

buwish

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I checked out those links and needless to say, I've never seen dental imaging like that, which leads me to believe that it must cost $40K+! It seems to be a bit over the top for a cavity or something, but yes I can see the advantages for more complicated matters.

The oral surgeon I went to last year had a standard x-ray machine, but just looked at the small films my dentist took for 2 seconds and started yanking (wisdom teeth). I can't believe some people get knocked out for that- it was nothing, plus you get a complimentary bottle of vicodin to go.
 

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This is beginning to sound like the conversation on any typical day at the office, lol. Yeah, digital and cone beam are different. Digital is affordable for most dentists. We do no general dentistry. The small customary 'periapical' intra oral films and the digital machine that takes those common films is around 5-7K. Then the panoramic machine is another 20k-30k or so. But the large cephalometric (full skull film) is very expensive. New all those would cost us in excess of 60-65K plus tax and any installation. Might even be a monthly maintenance/upgrade fee for the software. The sofware was around 6-10K last time I checked. Click the mouse and hundreds of pre programed measurements of the skull appear in seconds. Beats having to trace the skull and measure it manually like we have for the past 25 years. But yeah, cone beam is out there. I have not looked into cone beam, but 3 dimensional views of the bones/teeth being x-rayed is here. To the tune of 200K. Digital and cone beam are two diferent things. haha that is funny the oral surgeon looked at the periapicals the dentist took and removed your third molars. How many times have I heard that. The oral surgeon probably had a panoramic x ray machine in the office, but didn't need it in your case. The small dental periapicals show the cavity and certainly the tooth, root, gum and supporting bone. Your bone is what holds your teeth in your head. LOL. Bone grows back together. We watch that miracle occur every day for 25 years in practice. It's the key to successful orthodontic treatment. Move the teeth to a new correct more esthetically pleasing position and watch the bone grow back and hold them there. Hopefully. My wife was a full time faculity professor at Wash U for 6 years. She is brilliant. Always has been the most intelligent person I have known. Well, Sally Jesse Raphael gave her a run for her money. ;)
 

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