Help me build an extreme gaming pc, need advices on components

[romafe23]

I opened a thread yesterday, I tried to close that but it looks like users can't close their own threads.. (if any moderator reads this feel free to close my other thread, which can be found here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3736471/building-high-end-gaming.html).
I am posting a new one because I maturated many different questions in the previous one, discovering my knowledge is far less than I thought.

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My budget is around 10.000$
I am planning to build a very high-end pc, mostly for gaming.

I do need help in builiding it, starting from the case selection going down to the details, peripherals and so on..
Please provide as much answers as you can, especially regarding the peripherals.
Please provide as much details as possible.

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I made a pcpartpicker one:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4GHz 16-Core Processor ($749.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG ZENITH EXTREME EATX TR4 Motherboard ($469.89 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Memory: G.Skill - TridentZ RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($420.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - TridentZ RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($420.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO 4TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($1499.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Core Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($799.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Core Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($799.49 @ OutletPC)
Case: Thermaltake - View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake - Toughpower DPS G RGB Titanium 1500W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($369.05 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($94.98 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL140 RGB LED 51.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($36.74 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG27UQ 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor ($2435.40 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Keyboard: Corsair - K95 RGB PLATINUM Wired Gaming Keyboard ($171.90 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer - Naga Trinity Wired Optical Mouse ($90.02 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Corsair - VOID PRO RGB (White/Black) 7.1 Channel Headset ($98.79 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Razer - Leviathan 60W 5.1ch Speakers ($187.59 @ Amazon)
Total: $9077.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-04 08:32 EDT-0400

Please give me suggestions about my build.
I got few questions on the build aswell:
- Is the case I picked good?
- Should I go for Corsair Fans or with Thermaltake ones to match case ones?
- I went for a Thermaltake psu mostly because he's rgb. It's a titanium certified psu 1250w.. Is that too much power? Would my electricity consumption benefit from using a 1000w platinum one?
- I don't know which gamepad to pick

Screenshots:
My plan was a gpu sli composed of 2 high-tier gpus and a custom liquid cooling system.
I'll post a few screenshots showing some moddded pcs I like:
570x dual gpu: http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2016/11/824d4b43-ff8f-4eff-9762-c4a574c867d9.png
570x + ll120 fans: https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/content/453eb4427b4ad9085291e1ffae9d8aeb.jpg
570x + ml120 fans: https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1655111/4/4a/4a4ea0fe_IMG_2032.jpeg
570x + custom liquid cooling: https://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/2902162-b.jpg
570x insight on cusom liquid cooling: https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2018_04/10.jpg.63b225143f9e84139522125bf1bddfc7.jpg
anidees AI crystal timelapse mod: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o7i6DSCKNA0/maxresdefault.jpg

General questions:
1. Will a middle-tower case, like the "Corsair 570x crystal", be spacious/wide enough to sustain such a build? (I showed some pictures with dual gpu build and liquid cooling, but it looks very narrow).
1b. If not, I'd like to pick the "anidees AI Crystal", which is a full-tower case that looks incredibly good to me, but I never heard of the "anidees" company before.. are they trustable/reliable as sellers?
1c. Will there be any compatibility problems with the 11xx series?
2. Should I wait for the 1180 series to be released or should I get 1080 ti instead? I just read that 1180 will probably be mounting GDDR6 memory, which may be far better than the current GDDR5 mounted by most gpus. I wouldn't care about a 20% performance increase, but I fear that this may be a little "gap" in the gaming world.
2b. If yes, what can I get as a substitute in my build? I was planning to get a 1050 Ti.
2c. What about the custom liquid cooling system? I am gonna ask a local shop to build it (I'm not good with pipes and stuff). If the clcs (custom liquid cooling system, from now on "clcs") is planned for a single gpu how much tedious is to change it to fit 2 gpus (2x 1180)?
3. Is a 1000W PSU enough to power this machine?
3b. If not, how much power is needed?
3c. Should I invest some more money to get a "Titanium" certificated one, or is a "Platinum" enough? (Consider I plan to power off my pc only to install updates and for maintenance)
3d. Is an RGB PSU a nice addition to the customization? (it doesn't look very bright to me)
4. Should I get a top-tier cpu? (threadripper or i9)
4b. Will I experience any increase in performances running one of those cpus? (Consider gaming, 3d modeling, 3d rendering)
5. Do you think Corsair ML120 PRO RGB looks bad compared to LL120 RGB? I do, and thus can't decide.
6. Do you think 4TB are enough as an archive storage?
7. Do you think that Gunnars (gaming glasses) may be useful?


Detailed questions about components/peripherals:
A. Corsair 570X Crystal vs anidees AI Crystal - which one is better, and why?
B. Ryzen 7 2700x vs Intel Core i7 8086k - which one is better, and why?
C. Ryzen Threadripper 1950x vs Intel Core i9 7980XE - which one fits my build the most, and why?
D. Samsung 970 EVO M.2 vs. Samsung 970 PRO M.2 - which one is better, and why?
E. Corsair ML120 PRO RGB vs Corsair LL120 RGB - which one is better, and why?
F. Seagate Barracuda Pro 7200rpm 10TB vs. Samsung 860 EVO SSD 4TB - which one should I pick, and why?
G. Corsair K95 Platinum vs any other valuable gaming keyboard - which one is better, and why?
H. Razer Naga Trinity vs any other valubale gaming keyboard - which one is better, and why?
I. Asus PG27UQ vs Acer Predator X27 - which one is better, and why?

Looking for:
I. A pair of "over-ear" headphones.. They must be "over-ear" because my ear suffer a lot from wearing "on-ear" ones. I'd like them to be bluetooth or wireless.
I found this one, are these good? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L6S6XWO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_11?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
II. A gamepad (actually 2) to play some offline games.. Scufs are way overexpensive, and considering I won't be using them much I don't think I'll be getting one. XBox One original pads are really expensive, but I do like the design and ergonomics.
I found these ones, but they are even more expensiven (but with a cool design): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076ZC7KQM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_13?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Could you please suggest me a good gamepad (cabled or not)? RGB would be great, but I don't really care much about the pad..
III. An external sound system. I was looking over "soundbars" which seems pretty solid. I found Razer's soundbar: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PK2POOU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_15?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Looks good to me because it has an external subwoofer aswell. If you were me, which one would you choose? Please provide me suggestions about good external audio systems (not necessarily soundbars).

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Thanks everyone, your opinion means a lot to me.
Roberto

 

[USAFRet]

My budget is around 10.000$
I am planning to build a very high-end pc, mostly for gaming.

The gaming performance difference between a $10,000 PC and a $3,000 PC is near zero.

 

[romafe23]

My budget is around 10.000$
I am planning to build a very high-end pc, mostly for gaming.

The gaming performance difference between a $10,000 PC and a $3,000 PC is near zero.

Is that a stock phrase?
If not, could you please explain me why/how? (btw half of the money would be spent for peripherals and accessories)

 

[USAFRet]

My budget is around 10.000$
I am planning to build a very high-end pc, mostly for gaming.

The gaming performance difference between a $10,000 PC and a $3,000 PC is near zero.

Is that a stock phrase?
If not, could you please explain me why/how? (btw half of the money would be spent for peripherals and accessories)

No, not a stock phrase.
Beyond a certain point, you're just buying bling and not performance.

For instance, some of your extras:
10TB HDD or 4TB SSD - That functionality would probably be better served with a dedicated 4 bay NAS box and a few drives in it. Maybe $900 total for a top end NAS and drives.

970 EVO vs 970 Pro - Zero performance difference in this use case.

Threadripper CPU - Not for a game system

CORSAIR ML120 PRO RGB -$100 for a fan? Bling indeed.

 

[romafe23]

My budget is around 10.000$
I am planning to build a very high-end pc, mostly for gaming.

The gaming performance difference between a $10,000 PC and a $3,000 PC is near zero.

Is that a stock phrase?
If not, could you please explain me why/how? (btw half of the money would be spent for peripherals and accessories)

No, not a stock phrase.
Beyond a certain point, you're just buying bling and not performance.

For instance, some of your extras:
10TB HDD or 4TB SSD - That functionality would probably be better served with a dedicated 4 bay NAS box and a few drives in it. Maybe $900 total for a top end NAS and drives.

970 EVO vs 970 Pro - Zero performance difference in this use case.

Threadripper CPU - Not for a game system

CORSAIR ML120 PRO RGB -$100 for a fan? Bling indeed.

Interesting and constructive, this is a better answer.

I am asking these questions because I didn't know the answers.
This is why I am asking. This is why I firstly opened the thread.

This answer, for instance, is better than saying "The gaming performance difference between a $10,000 PC and a $3,000 PC is near zero.", because you are giving me hints and improving my knowledge about the products which I am interested in.

Not to say that "bling" is part of a gaming pc nowadays. Modding is a core part for many users.

 

[logainofhades]

Also not all games scale very well with dual GPU's. In some cases the second GPU will just be sitting there doing nothing at all. Such a system really demands a high res screen, or you are just throwing money out the window. I prefer 1440p, as 4k is still quite demanding on current cards. Maybe the upcoming 1180 will change that. With high res screens, the CPU isn't quite as important, as the gaming demand weighs heavier on the GPU. You would be hard pressed to find a game, that this system could not handle well. Some titles are so horribly optimized that nothing can max them out. Nvme drives are great for OS loads, and file transfers, but games generally don't load much better vs a sata based SSD.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.90 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - T-Force Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($170.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar NAS 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($123.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($729.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.08 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($147.52 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($99.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Dell - S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($451.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2647.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-03 09:22 EDT-0400

 

[USAFRet]

It's just that we see this here ALL the time.
People thinking that more money automagically = greater performance. And then throw megabux into it, and wonder why the performance does not scale with the $$ spent.

After a certain point, it doesn't.

$6,000 (or more in your case) does not give twice the performance vs $3,000.
And also, people trying to make a single PC box be the uber at everything. When in reality, different functions should probably be split out into 2 or more "PC's".
And in some cases, it makes things worse.

For instance...a large secondary drive for "backups". Well, if that 10TB drive is in the same PC...when things go south, so does that drive and everything on it.
Or needing a 4TB SSD to hold your movie and music library. Waste of space. A movie does not play any faster if it lives on an SSD.
My main system is all SSD, 5 drives, approx 2TB of space.
Connected to a 4 bay NAS box with 4x 4TB drives. That's where the music and movie library lives.And the backups from all the systems in the house. And games I'm not playing right now. Steam games are easily moved back and forth.


Design for performance, then add the bling.

 

[romafe23]

It's just that we see this here ALL the time.
People thinking that more money automagically = greater performance. And then throw megabux into it, and wonder why the performance does not scale with the $$ spent.

After a certain point, it doesn't.

$6,000 (or more in your case) does not give twice the performance vs $3,000.
And also, people trying to make a single PC box be the uber at everything. When in reality, different functions should probably be split out into 2 or more "PC's".
And in some cases, it makes things worse.

For instance...a large secondary drive for "backups". Well, if that 10TB drive is in the same PC...when things go south, so does that drive and everything on it.
Or needing a 4TB SSD to hold your movie and music library. Waste of space. A movie does not play any faster if it lives on an SSD.
My main system is all SSD, 5 drives, approx 2TB of space.
Connected to a 4 bay NAS box with 4x 4TB drives. That's where the music and movie library lives.And the backups from all the systems in the house. And games I'm not playing right now. Steam games are easily moved back and forth.


Design for performance, then add the bling.

I do not think, and especially never wrote, that spending so much money would give me more performances, this is an assumption you made on your own.
I don't want to be rude but you should be answering to my post, not making assumptions about what I will or won't do with my money.
I clearly do have the possibility to spend this amount of money, and I consider "bling" to be a core part of the machine I want to build.

Btw
I already got a little 2-bay nas, which holds 2 2tb hdd drives. And there's where music and library is.
The disk I want to buy for my pc should be a storage designed only for games.
I'll be running my main games on the m.2 drive, while I was thinking to play offline/single-player games on the other drive.. I was wondering if I should buy an HDD (less performance, more storage available) or an SSD (more performance, less storage). I do fear 4tb not to be enough to hold what I plan to hold (I wrote down a list consiting of 108 games which I plan to download, assuming 50gb per game unpacked means 5400gb). You may say that I can optimize this ofcourse, by not installing or unpacking games I am not currently playing and so on.. But this is the exact reason why I am planning this.
What do you think is better for my purpose?

You could clearly help me in this, and I am wondering why are you attacking me, talking about how do I waste my money, while you could have answered in a constructive way and helped me solve my doubts.

 

[romafe23]

Also not all games scale very well with dual GPU's. In some cases the second GPU will just be sitting there doing nothing at all. Such a system really demands a high res screen, or you are just throwing money out the window. I prefer 1440p, as 4k is still quite demanding on current cards. Maybe the upcoming 1180 will change that. With high res screens, the CPU isn't quite as important, as the gaming demand weighs heavier on the GPU. You would be hard pressed to find a game, that this system could not handle well. Some titles are so horribly optimized that nothing can max them out. Nvme drives are great for OS loads, and file transfers, but games generally don't load much better vs a sata based SSD.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.90 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - T-Force Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($170.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar NAS 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($123.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($729.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.08 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($147.52 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($99.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Dell - S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($451.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $2647.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-03 09:22 EDT-0400

Thanks a lot for your answer.

So you would go for a 1440p over a 4k one?
I thought that considering my gpus I would be "sort of wasting" them not using a 4k monitor.
I may look into ultrawide (I do quite like utlrawide screens) 1440p screen.. but it's quite hard finding one with a low latency, high refresh rate and g-sync compatibility.

As for the drives..
If that's true I might change my nvme 1tb drive with a 256gb one, and then going for 2 4tb.. Do you think this may be better?

 

[logainofhades]

1tb SSD will give you room for games. Any SSD is going to load them far better than an HDD, so I wouldn't drop to a 256gb drive. Games are getting quite large. I wouldn't want below a 500gb class SSD, personally. I play at 1440p myself, but don't really play anything but WoW, anymore.

 

[USAFRet]

Sorry if you thought I was "attacking".
I wasn't. I just have this aversion to wasted money...:lol:

Basic drives:
500GB NVMe for the OS and applications. Samsung 970 EVO.
1TB SATA III for 'some' games'. Samsung 860 EVO
4TB HDD for all the rest.
Another large HDD for all that other junk that does not need the speed of an SSD.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

Just look at my Build in Progress.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JCPW9J

Super high-end, you can customize some components to look better. I wouldn't bother with dual-GPU, a single 1080 Ti can handle anything short of 144Hz 4k and that new 200Hz UWQHD. Whatever the next iteration (1180) should demolish everything and might even get close to 144Hz 4k Ultra quality (WCS play at High 144Hz or Ultra at a lower refresh rate, G-sync will help.)

I also wouldn't bother with a custom loop. AIO for the CPU and Air on the GPU would be just fine. My 8700k stays under 60C for gaming with my H115i in quiet mode. (1800RPM pump, 800RPM fans.) And the hottest 1080 Ti on the market (Zotac AMP! Extreme) still stays under 60C and isn't loud enough to hear while gaming.


For what it sounds like you want to do this would by my DREAM RIG if I wasn't already committed in parts:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($343.42 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card ($798.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.18 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Titanium 850W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit ($127.98 @ Trusted Tech Team)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($94.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X34 34.0" 3440x1440 120Hz Monitor ($1035.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X27 bmiiphzx 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor ($1999.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $6951.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-03 14:11 EDT-0400



A lot of it is really boojie but honestly, if you're willing to spend that much go all in.

Big examples;

H150i Pro- stupid expensive when an H100i v2 cools just as well and is half the price.
MB: Literally performs the same as a $170 MB but looks cool.
Vengeance RGB Pro, works exactly the same as cheaper RAM
Any Samsung Pro drive. Zero fps or performance gain over Evo, very little difference between any SATA SSD for gaming period. But it does have a better warranty.
Replace 1080 Ti with 1180 (or whatever the name will be)
LL120's. Aren't even close to the best performing fan (they are decent) but are easily the best looking. And for that alone they cost 2-3x times as much as any other fan. But hey I have them I can't knock them too much. I love mine.

X34 and X27. The definition of overdoing it. If you're going to game, game in style. 3440x1440 120Hz is phenomenal, and for when you can't run in 21:9 (Starcraft II, or any other number of games that refuse to support 21:9 even with a coding edit) you can run in 4k with a gorgeous 144Hz HDR panel.


If I had the money and wasn't already committed in a lot of these parts that's exactly what I would do.

Don't let anyone else here tell you if they had $10,000 to spend on parts they would only get the essentials.


The only things I would change is if you're big on streaming, go with a Ryzen 2700x and X470 over an 8700k and Z370. The 8700k will give better gaming performance but the streaming sucks compared to the 2700x.


For integration I like Corsair's iCUE integration, and for simplicity I like all my peripherals to be Corsair. They aren't really the best but some of them are the best looking and that is cool.

For peripherals in a Corsair theme I would do:

K95 Platinum RGB Keyboard.
Literally any number of Mice (I have the Dark Core SE)
MM800 Polaris mouse pad.
VOID Pro Wireless
ST100 stand

Most recent picture of my setup:
https://imgur.com/DGn4e6r
https://imgur.com/ItiwmPu

 

[logainofhades]

If I had $10k, and needed to build a new rig. I would build a $3k system tops, and use the rest towards me a different truck. :lol:

 

[USAFRet]

If I had $10k, and needed to build a new rig. I would build a $3k system tops, and use the rest towards me a different truck. :lol:

I was about to say the same, except instead of truck...vacation.

That epic PC you built 10 years ago? Where is it?
That epic vacation you took 10 years ago? Still generating stories around the keg.

 

[CTurbo]

Just look at my Build in Progress.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JCPW9J

Super high-end, you can customize some components to look better. I wouldn't bother with dual-GPU, a single 1080 Ti can handle anything short of 144Hz 4k and that new 200Hz UWQHD. Whatever the next iteration (1180) should demolish everything and might even get close to 144Hz 4k Ultra quality (WCS play at High 144Hz or Ultra at a lower refresh rate, G-sync will help.)

I also wouldn't bother with a custom loop. AIO for the CPU and Air on the GPU would be just fine. My 8700k stays under 60C for gaming with my H115i in quiet mode. (1800RPM pump, 800RPM fans.) And the hottest 1080 Ti on the market (Zotac AMP! Extreme) still stays under 60C and isn't loud enough to hear while gaming.


For what it sounds like you want to do this would by my DREAM RIG if I wasn't already committed in parts:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($343.42 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card ($798.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.18 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Titanium 850W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit ($127.98 @ Trusted Tech Team)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($94.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X34 34.0" 3440x1440 120Hz Monitor ($1035.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X27 bmiiphzx 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor ($1999.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $6951.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-03 14:11 EDT-0400



A lot of it is really boojie but honestly, if you're willing to spend that much go all in.

Big examples;

H150i Pro- stupid expensive when an H100i v2 cools just as well and is half the price.
MB: Literally performs the same as a $170 MB but looks cool.
Vengeance RGB Pro, works exactly the same as cheaper RAM
Any Samsung Pro drive. Zero fps or performance gain over Evo, very little difference between any SATA SSD for gaming period. But it does have a better warranty.
Replace 1080 Ti with 1180 (or whatever the name will be)
LL120's. Aren't even close to the best performing fan (they are decent) but are easily the best looking. And for that alone they cost 2-3x times as much as any other fan. But hey I have them I can't knock them too much. I love mine.

X34 and X27. The definition of overdoing it. If you're going to game, game in style. 3440x1440 120Hz is phenomenal, and for when you can't run in 21:9 (Starcraft II, or any other number of games that refuse to support 21:9 even with a coding edit) you can run in 4k with a gorgeous 144Hz HDR panel.


If I had the money and wasn't already committed in a lot of these parts that's exactly what I would do.

Don't let anyone else here tell you if they had $10,000 to spend on parts they would only get the essentials.


The only things I would change is if you're big on streaming, go with a Ryzen 2700x and X470 over an 8700k and Z370. The 8700k will give better gaming performance but the streaming sucks compared to the 2700x.


For integration I like Corsair's iCUE integration, and for simplicity I like all my peripherals to be Corsair. They aren't really the best but some of them are the best looking and that is cool.

For peripherals in a Corsair theme I would do:

K95 Platinum RGB Keyboard.
Literally any number of Mice (I have the Dark Core SE)
MM800 Polaris mouse pad.
VOID Pro Wireless
ST100 stand

Most recent picture of my setup:
https://imgur.com/DGn4e6r
https://imgur.com/ItiwmPu

Even this is just a ~$3k system with another ~$3k worth of monitors.




I very much agree that once you get over around $3k for a single system, putting extra money into it is pretty much a waste. Monitors excluded of course.

 

[Rogue Leader]

I do not think, and especially never wrote, that spending so much money would give me more performances, this is an assumption you made on your own.
I don't want to be rude but you should be answering to my post, not making assumptions about what I will or won't do with my money.
I clearly do have the possibility to spend this amount of money, and I consider "bling" to be a core part of the machine I want to build.
.......
You could clearly help me in this, and I am wondering why are you attacking me, talking about how do I waste my money, while you could have answered in a constructive way and helped me solve my doubts.

romafe23

Let me make one thing very clear. Our membership here will not be accused of attacks, nor will they be spoken to condescendingly. USAFRet was very clear in what he said, and not once did he attack you, he was just working off of many years experience here and in the real world. He like myself and everyone else here is a volunteer doing this on our spare time. He and everyone else here will not be told what they should or should not be doing, and especially not in a condescending tone. This is just a warning, lets leave it at that and let them get on with building your system with you.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Just a single note to the OP, depending on what you plan to go for (looks vs performance) the ML series fans will run quieter but also push more air while the LL series will have more LEDs to play with and, in my opinion, look better. I have been considering swapping my HD120s out to LL120s but now that the ML series has RGB I might swap all my fans out, even the coolers fans.

 

[romafe23]

I do not think, and especially never wrote, that spending so much money would give me more performances, this is an assumption you made on your own.
I don't want to be rude but you should be answering to my post, not making assumptions about what I will or won't do with my money.
I clearly do have the possibility to spend this amount of money, and I consider "bling" to be a core part of the machine I want to build.
.......
You could clearly help me in this, and I am wondering why are you attacking me, talking about how do I waste my money, while you could have answered in a constructive way and helped me solve my doubts.

romafe23

Let me make one thing very clear. Our membership here will not be accused of attacks, nor will they be spoken to condescendingly. USAFRet was very clear in what he said, and not once did he attack you, he was just working off of many years experience here and in the real world. He like myself and everyone else here is a volunteer doing this on our spare time. He and everyone else here will not be told what they should or should not be doing, and especially not in a condescending tone. This is just a warning, lets leave it at that and let them get on with building your system with you.

I am sorry for my behavior and for the way I reacted. I didn't realize I was being inappropriate. I tried to be polite, I thought I have been using the conditional to give him suggestions about his behaviour, but english is not my native language so I may be wrong.
I was upset because most of the answers here aren't answers to my topic. Most people are just stating I am wasting my money or that I should spend them in another way, while I started this topic to clarify my ideas and to get suggestions about the build I asked help for.
And to further clarify I didn't want to talk in a condescending tone, I am an educator and I was trying to teach him that, sometimes, speaking in a different way can make the difference.
.

 

[Rogue Leader]

No problem, its all good now and thanks for understanding. Technology is great, you have access to hundreds of years of experience whom is here helping you. They will be back to continue with you today.

 

[King Dranzer]

I completely get your point and understand what you need. For that budget which only few people around the world do but yes there are costlier builds out there and I have personally worked on costlier projects than this with minimal return in performance gain but priority of people spending huge amount on their build is to get best performance as well as unique looking build. Members here are only trying to inform you that beyond a specific price point the performance gain you get is minimal to none. As you realize that and are expecting the build to look as unique as possible spending huge amount to get what you need is completely fine.

I can put up a list but need some answers first.

I have gone through the pics you listed and I can see that you plan on building the PC in Corsair 570X.
Have you considered building the PC in a custom case made from scratch. It is time consuming but as you are spending huge amount you get a custom case done for the build from your local furniture house(if you go with a table case) or even from fabricators(if you plan to get plain metal case). With you budget there are many possibilities.

If you want prebuilt case and not interested in custom case check out the Corsair Obsidian 1000D. It is far better for water cooling when compared to 570X. If you plan to stick with 570X I recommend having plain air cooled build with AIO for CPU cooler as building custom loop will make it cramped and is not suitable for long run as coolant will heat quickly as there will not be sufficient radiator support to cool it.

 

[romafe23]

Just look at my Build in Progress.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JCPW9J

Super high-end, you can customize some components to look better. I wouldn't bother with dual-GPU, a single 1080 Ti can handle anything short of 144Hz 4k and that new 200Hz UWQHD. Whatever the next iteration (1180) should demolish everything and might even get close to 144Hz 4k Ultra quality (WCS play at High 144Hz or Ultra at a lower refresh rate, G-sync will help.)

I also wouldn't bother with a custom loop. AIO for the CPU and Air on the GPU would be just fine. My 8700k stays under 60C for gaming with my H115i in quiet mode. (1800RPM pump, 800RPM fans.) And the hottest 1080 Ti on the market (Zotac AMP! Extreme) still stays under 60C and isn't loud enough to hear while gaming.


For what it sounds like you want to do this would by my DREAM RIG if I wasn't already committed in parts:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($343.42 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card ($798.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.18 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Ultra Titanium 850W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit ($127.98 @ Trusted Tech Team)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120 RGB LED 43.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($32.01 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($94.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X34 34.0" 3440x1440 120Hz Monitor ($1035.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer - Predator X27 bmiiphzx 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor ($1999.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $6951.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-03 14:11 EDT-0400



A lot of it is really boojie but honestly, if you're willing to spend that much go all in.

Big examples;

H150i Pro- stupid expensive when an H100i v2 cools just as well and is half the price.
MB: Literally performs the same as a $170 MB but looks cool.
Vengeance RGB Pro, works exactly the same as cheaper RAM
Any Samsung Pro drive. Zero fps or performance gain over Evo, very little difference between any SATA SSD for gaming period. But it does have a better warranty.
Replace 1080 Ti with 1180 (or whatever the name will be)
LL120's. Aren't even close to the best performing fan (they are decent) but are easily the best looking. And for that alone they cost 2-3x times as much as any other fan. But hey I have them I can't knock them too much. I love mine.

X34 and X27. The definition of overdoing it. If you're going to game, game in style. 3440x1440 120Hz is phenomenal, and for when you can't run in 21:9 (Starcraft II, or any other number of games that refuse to support 21:9 even with a coding edit) you can run in 4k with a gorgeous 144Hz HDR panel.


If I had the money and wasn't already committed in a lot of these parts that's exactly what I would do.

Don't let anyone else here tell you if they had $10,000 to spend on parts they would only get the essentials.


The only things I would change is if you're big on streaming, go with a Ryzen 2700x and X470 over an 8700k and Z370. The 8700k will give better gaming performance but the streaming sucks compared to the 2700x.


For integration I like Corsair's iCUE integration, and for simplicity I like all my peripherals to be Corsair. They aren't really the best but some of them are the best looking and that is cool.

For peripherals in a Corsair theme I would do:

K95 Platinum RGB Keyboard.
Literally any number of Mice (I have the Dark Core SE)
MM800 Polaris mouse pad.
VOID Pro Wireless
ST100 stand

Most recent picture of my setup:
https://imgur.com/DGn4e6r
https://imgur.com/ItiwmPu

Thanks a lot!
This is exactly what I was talking about.

I went into pcpartpicker and made one build myself, mostly matching what I want to build.
I do really want to test it out SLI. Actually I have been dreaming of this rig for years, and now that I can afford it I want to go overkill.
As for the custom liquid cooling, I love that, it makes rigs looking like sci-fi future machines.

It would be great if you could check it out and give me some suggestions.

 

[romafe23]

I completely get your point and understand what you need. For that budget which only few people around the world do but yes there are costlier builds out there and I have personally worked on costlier projects than this with minimal return in performance gain but priority of people spending huge amount on their build is to get best performance as well as unique looking build. Members here are only trying to inform you that beyond a specific price point the performance gain you get is minimal to none. As you realize that and are expecting the build to look as unique as possible spending huge amount to get what you need is completely fine.

I can put up a list but need some answers first.

I have gone through the pics you listed and I can see that you plan on building the PC in Corsair 570X.
Have you considered building the PC in a custom case made from scratch. It is time consuming but as you are spending huge amount you get a custom case done for the build from your local furniture house(if you go with a table case) or even from fabricators(if you plan to get plain metal case). With you budget there are many possibilities.

If you want prebuilt case and not interested in custom case check out the Corsair Obsidian 1000D. It is far better for water cooling when compared to 570X. If you plan to stick with 570X I recommend having plain air cooled build with AIO for CPU cooler as building custom loop will make it cramped and is not suitable for long run as coolant will heat quickly as there will not be sufficient radiator support to cool it.

Thanks for understanding.

As for your answers:
I swapped from the Corsair 570X because it looks like my build won't fit in there. I swapped to a full tower case, from thermaltake, which looks "good".
But I'll be looking for sure into building a case myself, sounds very interesting.

As for the Obsidian 1000D.. it looks really cool.. but it looks WAAAAYY too big to me. I even saw a video of a guy putting 2 mobos in there huh!

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($347.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($149.89 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X CODE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($269.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($400.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card ($275.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake - View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - Professional 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: AOC - i2267Fw 22.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair - K95 RGB PLATINUM Wired Gaming Keyboard ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech - G903 Wireless Optical Mouse ($109.70 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Sennheiser - HD800 Headphones ($1097.85 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech - Z906 500W 5.1ch Speakers ($268.98 @ Amazon)
Other: Asus Essence STX II 7.1 Soundkarte (inkl. 7.1 Mehrkanal-Platine, Kopfhörer-Verstärker bis zu 600-ohm, 124dB (SNR), austauschbare Op-Amps) ($381.68 @ Amazon)
Other: Antlion Audio ModMic 5 Modular Attachable Boom Microphone ($69.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $4960.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-04 11:00 EDT-0400

The GPU and the monitor I included in the list are both temporary placeholders for upcoming GPU GTX1180 and BFGD Monitor from NVIDIA. As you are spending that huge amount instead of going for two small monitors go for one big monitor and also wait for new GPU to launch.

There is no need of having more than 1TB SSD storage unless it is being used for productive purpose. Instead get the HDDs for storage.

This list is limited to that specific case. If you decide to go for different case or even better build one for your self then few components in the build will change and for custom-water cooling loop I will help you decide on the components and how to set it up after you decide on which case you want.

If you plan to build custom case there is endless possibility. Specially if you build a table case which is famous for ease of build and extreme water-cooling capabilities. If you plan on building a custom case hit me a PM.

For gaming I recommend staying away from Thread-ripper. Go for Intel i7-8700K presently king of Gaming CPUs.

 

[DSzymborski]

If you're looking for an example on why we call what you want to do overbuilt and overexpensive, look no farther than your original choice of a Threadripper. Those are terrific chips, if you're primarily interested in higher-end workstation functions. A Threadripper is actually a worse gaming CPU than the 8700k that you can purchase for less than half its price. Same goes for an i9. And there's approximately zero chance that you need 64 GB of RAM.

Everyone here has built a lot of systems and when we see a system ludicrously overpriced for the goal, we're going to say something. We're not here to be limited to only the question that is asked and most of us will look at the entirety of the situation.

 

[King Dranzer]

Going for expensive build to get unique and exceptional build is completely fine. But when you spend the money in wrong places like choosing Threadripper or Intel i9 for gaming all the members of this forum will advise you to stay away from them and spend your money in different place to improve quality and experience. The components on which you are spending money will not give you better gaming experience instead it will make it lot worse.

If you wan't to spend that huge amount I recommend spending it on components which will improve your experience. Take the example of my list from above as you can see I allocated good amount for audio equipment which will improve your experience of gaming and general audio playback. Spend the money where it really matters instead of wasting money on components which will not be useful for you in any way.