help me cheap out on my next build

[robby12312]

hi all.

i'm running an fm2+, a10-5700, gtx 750 ti and...it's time to upgrade.

i'm looking thru all the higher end sandy bridge thru kaby lake chips. my understanding is that there's not a huge difference between these generations.

here's what i need out of a computer:
- won't bottleneck a gtx 1070/1080/1080 ti
- smooth as silk running a billion firefox tabs, miscellaneous programs
- smooth 1440p gaming at max settings
- can take an m.2 ssd connected thru pci

what's the sweet spot for attaining this and spending the least amount of money? i will be overclocking. i will be buying the mobo, cpu, cooler used.

 

[Franklin_4]

rough estimate on budget?

 

[elbert]

I suggest this but you could cut the cost by $100 with a Ryzen 1200.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($196.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($127.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($434.89 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master - HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $961.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-21 01:06 EDT-0400

 

[mdd1963]

If contemplating something as good as a GTX1080Ti, I'd be opting for either 7700K or R5-1600 minimum....preferably the former, unless you are willing to evaluate Z370/8700K performance in a couple weeks....

If using a 60 Hz refresh monitor, an R5-1600 and GTX1060 are a pretty decent combo for 1080P gaming, potentially saving several hundred over a 7700K/GTX1070 combo....; if you want/need 1440P , a GTX1070, and, if you have dreams of 144 Hz refresh, then a GTX1080 or 1080Ti....

 

[robby12312]

i'm getting mixed messages here. some people are saying to get the latest gen, others are saying haswell-ish + gtx 10xx is fine.

i'm not interested in upgrade potential, and i want the cheapest used chips that'll make my 1440 gaming and internet goofing off the smoothest experience possible

 

[robby12312]

rough estimate on budget?

whatever the rock bottom price is for used components that will meet my needs.

 

[elbert]

i'm getting mixed messages here. some people are saying to get the latest gen, others are saying haswell-ish + gtx 10xx is fine.

i'm not interested in upgrade potential, and i want the cheapest used chips that'll make my 1440 gaming and internet goofing off the smoothest experience possible

No one should be telling you haswell as those will cost more that a good Ryzen 1600 build. The 4770k costs $150 more after you add a cooler. Then your looking at a Z97 around $100~200 that has almost no supply. IE if its bad your going have a hard time getting another. All the while new plateform Ryzen 1600 is a bit ahead. AM4 should also have newer CPU's for upto 4 years.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/1537vs3919

This or wait for the i3 8350k quad core for $185. Unless your getting an amazing deal the old used chips aren't very good anymore. CPU's tech started moving fast about 6 months ago.

 

[robby12312]

i'm getting mixed messages here. some people are saying to get the latest gen, others are saying haswell-ish + gtx 10xx is fine.

i'm not interested in upgrade potential, and i want the cheapest used chips that'll make my 1440 gaming and internet goofing off the smoothest experience possible

No one should be telling you haswell as those will cost more that a good Ryzen 1600 build. The 4770k costs $150 more after you add a cooler. Then your looking at a Z97 around $100~200 that has almost no supply. IE if its bad your going have a hard time getting another. All the while new plateform Ryzen 1600 is a bit ahead. AM4 should also have newer CPU's for upto 4 years.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/1537vs3919

This or wait for the i3 8350k quad core for $185. Unless your getting an amazing deal the old used chips aren't very good anymore. CPU's tech started moving fast about 6 months ago.

i am convinced by upgradability prospects. now i have more questions about the 1600x i'm considering.

 

[robby12312]

For anyone who's interested in answering more of my questions http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3525741/make-sense-pcie.html

 

[elbert]

The 1600X doesn't come with a heatsink and costs a good deal more. You can overclock the 1600 to 3.7~3.8Ghz to outperform the 1600X. To match the stock wraith spire it takes a $30 CM212 so to gain anything over the 1600 its going to cost you $45 for say an Cryorig H5. So your looking at $70 extra just for 200~300Mhz more as 4Ghz is about the max.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($225.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $268.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-21 17:33 EDT-0400

 

[robby12312]

The 1600X doesn't come with a heatsink and costs a good deal more. You can overclock the 1600 to 3.7~3.8Ghz to outperform the 1600X. To match the stock wraith spire it takes a $30 CM212 so to gain anything over the 1600 its going to cost you $45 for say an Cryorig H5. So your looking at $70 extra just for 200~300Mhz more as 4Ghz is about the max.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($225.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $268.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-21 17:33 EDT-0400

convinced yet again. now i'm looking at lower end ryzen to see if they'll match my needs.

 

[elbert]

If you want to drop below the 6 core get the 1200 quad and overclock it to about 3.7Ghz. That should get you in the i5-7400~i5-7500 range. Also if you can do with fewer open tabs get 8GB's RAM for a bit of savings.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.97 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($76.81 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($434.89 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master - HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $823.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-22 01:02 EDT-0400