Help needed ssd format now laptop buggy/Stuttering.

[Joshy21]

Okay so i bought a laptop 2nd hand was running fine had windows 10 as its OS, decided to do a clean install of windows 10 when doing so i deleted all partions using windows 10 media creation tool then installed windows 10 and it was running perfect. After this i rememberd i forgot to format it after i deleted all the partions on the drive. and i did the whole thing again but this time deleted all partions then formatted the only one remaining (which you cannot delete). (Unknown to me it had a ssd in it) now the laptop runs very slow and like sh*t. and now i cant play games and it gets VERY hot. Its a hgst/hitachi ssd. Now i need to know what to do to repair/fix it. ANY HELP APPRECIATED.

 

[Colif]

download the free version of this: https://www.piriform.com/speccy
run it and on the 1st screen that shows up, have a look under storage in the right hand column.
it should say
32gb samsung SSD (or Msata) (might only show 8gb, not sure where it gets info from)
500gb HGST SATA

Win 10 should be smart enough to not run defrag on an ssd and only run trim

 

[Joshy21]

windows defrag dosnt/cant do anything to a ssd. unless i need to update windows.
speccy-

Storage
465GB Hitachi HGST HGST HTS545050A (RAID)
8GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG (RAID)

 

[Colif]

It looks about right. Shame we had to go around in circles about what drives were in your laptop. Wonder if your friend knew it had 2 drives in it, I expect many with the cache drives don't know they are there. Its not obvious on the HP site for your PC so expect not. I know I helped one guy who had one and he had formatted a year before and didn't even know it was there, drive had been asleep the entire time.

 

[Joshy21]

Is dosnt say if it is a ssd/hdd though?

 

[Colif]

in speccy, in the left hand column, choose storage
look under the features heading
an ssd should say: SMART, NCQ, TRIM, SSD
an hdd should say: SMART, APM, NCQ

Now since they both in raid they may not have all the features but the ssd should have TRIM as main difference.

another difference is SSD won't have a recording next to speed (the heading above features) whereas a HDD will show its rpm

 

[Joshy21]

https://www.mediafire.com/?r3jx3h3thd3cd9z

it dosnt show much and I'm fearing all these problems are linked. also where are you from? I'm from Australia.

 

[Colif]

I am fairly certain that is a 500gb HDD. The code for it matches this one: http://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=HITACHI%20HTS545050A7E680

http://www.storagereview.com/hitachi_travelstar_z5k500_review_hts545050a7e380

the 35gb different is formatting, you never get it all.

you could run this on the drive you think is an ssd and I soon tell you based on speed if you right or not: http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html

 

[Colif]

do you often stay awake all night trying to fix problems? I try to avoid doing anything on my PC after 2am as by then (7 hours ago) my brain starts to melt and I make dumb decisions. Its probably why this chat is going around in circles

I didn't know i could import your speccy info into mine.. it doesn't really help though. 65c on the motherboard, mine is half that... case is a lot bigger though.

just thought, your raid might mess up with results from crystaldisc mark.. maybe.

I too am in Australia and having been awake all night, my brain isn't going to much good for either of us soon

 

[Joshy21]

yeah you were right it was 32gb

http://www.mediafire.com/file/fhn6c4pqws85k9w/1.png

http://www.mediafire.com/file/lcfdv0slnlmcmpu/2.png

So its 100% a HDD?

no trying to fix my sleeping pattern have a coffee you be right

 

[Colif]

same link twice

that shows 500gb has rotation speed of 5400rpm, ssd don't have rpm.

 

[Joshy21]

Then id say either windows optimization has a glitch or its part of the same problem

 

[Colif]

32gb says its an ssd. 500gb has a rotation speed.. that is good enough for me

solid state drives don't spin. Your friend didn't change anything in laptop, its how it was when made.

I been drinking coke all night, I can't go on much longer

 

[Joshy21]

Why does it say 8gb in disk management instead of 32gb like it crystaldisk info??

If you go to sleep now you'll stuff your sleeping pattern

 

[Colif]

defrag shouldn't run on raid anyway

A RAID-0 setup is a "SINGLE" drive as far as the OS is concerned.

It's not possible for "Defragging" to move all of the files to one physical drive.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/243624-32-raid-defrag

 

[Colif]

my sleeping pattern has been stuffed last few days but I have had time off so its okay. Have a few days still to fix it up.

I explained the missing space, the difference is used by the intel software to accelerate the hdd and I guess its done in a way that windows isn't aware of it at some level. the disk caching method only works on motherboard with the right chipset so it uses hardware features at a lvl below windows to create the cache for windows to use. I can't run it on my PC as they removed the feature once ssd grew bigger. The 8gb is whats left over, the software doesn't use the entire ssd.

 

[Joshy21]

Ill screen shot what comes up in media creation tool and everything i woulda formatted because i think this is happening cause i formatted the ssd and you arnt supposed to format them. So know i dont they what to do but ill have a read of the links your posted.

 

[Colif]

Yes: http://www.intel.com.au/content/www/au/en/architecture-and-technology/rapid-storage-technology.html

As well as being used to speed up start up, its also used to store the files you use the most so they load faster as well.

information on it is alluding me at the moment. Maybe i look later...

 

[Colif]

you can format ssd, hard to reinstall win 10 without removing other partitions. Its the only way to clean install them.

Look, follow this if you want to make sure you get install right: http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/1950-windows-10-clean-install.html

BTW: what problem are you still trying to solve?

 

[Joshy21]

you wouldn't believe it but you cant format 8gb ssd so that's good! but all the rest I woulda formatted then deleted other than one which I coundnt format MSR (reserved) so I deleted it then when they were all deleted I format the entire disk other than the 8gb ssd. and then installed windows 10
https://www.mediafire.com/?405ijjmytkddt6e

But why would windows show the hdd as a ssd??

 

[Colif]

thats the normal 4 partitions win 10 creates on install. I should have asked why you only had 3 before but was side tracked by the ssd. I only have two myself as win 10 can be convinced to run from one partition if you force it, it later made the 2nd partition during a windows update.

 

[Colif]

you will need to set up the intel software agaion if you just fresh installed again. Otherwise itr will just ignore the drive again. If you knew that, fine... i will go to sleep

 

[Joshy21]

If the drive was 32gb wouldnt it show as 32 instead of 8gb. And if the rest was part of the hdd it would of been formatted = bad. What intel software? Download rapid start technology from hp drivers?

 

[Colif]

Where in windows is it showing hdd as ssd?

if drive wasn't being used as cache it would show as 32gb or whatever you get for that amount formatted. Because its being used at a hardware level before windows loads, windows only sees the difference in disk management or the installer screen, but that doesn't show anywhere in windows as it isn't formatted and its best leaving it that way.

the intel software is talking direct to bios and having it hide the existence of the other 24gb from windows. That is why it doesn't show its true size anywhere except in crystaldiskmark

 

[Joshy21]

In windows optimization. So like i cant defrag it. Its in one of my picture links
It says C: is installed on solid state which its not
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zslel1c1jjb5be3/Untitled_...

 

[Colif]

its probably tied into the raid set up. part of drive is in the array, it probably locks rest of drive as well. Just let intel software handle it as it will need to learn what software to put in the cache.

I am off, i will look here later but i need some sleep now or i won't sleep again tonight (yes, that makes no sense to me either)