Help on a build 4k

oriolrr90

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Hi, it's my first post here. I'm going tochange the entire pc and I get some questions. I ve always used intel procesors, but because of new gen is out of stock I m thinking on Ryzen because if his good performance lower price and incoming black friday. My purpose is to build a PC capable of stable 60fps at ultra/hight settings in 4K on all the AAA games. No streaming no video editing nothing else.
The question is, do you would prefer ryzen over intel in that scene? Could you recomand me some builds? I pretend to overclock cpu and gpu. Thanks.
 
Good advice already in this thread. For an Intel option, something like the build below would work well (i7 and Z-series motherboard like Kasper was getting at)...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($171.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($148.55 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($145.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GAMING X Video Card ($766.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($326.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $2292.04
 

Kasper Jorgensen

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At 4K it doesn't matter too much if you chose Ryzen or Intel. However that could change in a few years when GPUs are becoming stronger.
I'm not sure if any GPUs from this generation is able to deliver 60FPS at ultra settings in all games. To put it simply, no GPU are strong enough to do that at this point.
Also overclocking GPU is useless with newer cards, as they run turbo boost that already boost the card above stock frequency and you won't be able to get much more before it would start to throttle anyway.
 
Here you go :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($117.49 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.00 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX VEGA 64 8GB Video Card ($564.99 @ Amazon)
Case: mean:it - 4PM BLACK ATX Desktop Case ($109.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer - XR342CK 34.0" 3440x1440 75Hz Monitor ($697.75 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Total: $2271.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 05:17 EDT-0400
 

oriolrr90

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I prefer a 16:9 monitor, dont need more than 60hz. Would be meaningfull to get a x370 board for the overclock or a future procesor upgrade??
 

Kasper Jorgensen

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If you are going for the more expensive X370 mobo, you might as well go full in and get the I7-8700K with a Z370 mobo.
While there is no difference between those 2 CPUs in 4K gaming for now, this might change with next GPU generation.
 
For a single gpu rig, a b350 is enough. But if u want to overclock to its limits or u want multi gpu config, go for the x370. Although the 1080ti is just enough for a 4k 60hz, it will get stressed by the next year AAA games.
 
Good advice already in this thread. For an Intel option, something like the build below would work well (i7 and Z-series motherboard like Kasper was getting at)...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($171.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($148.55 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($145.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GAMING X Video Card ($766.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($326.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $2292.04
 

Kasper Jorgensen

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Whit a better PSU though

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($171.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($148.55 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($145.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB GAMING X Video Card ($766.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($326.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $2289.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 15:54 EDT-0400
 


None of the above builds are going to do it your going the need 2 X GTX 1080ti's to get 4K on ultra and high with sll the AAA games out, well not all of them but a lot of them.
By black friday the Intels should be back in stock.
 

logainofhades

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To get a really good experience, now and into the future, with 4k, you really want to SLI 1080ti. That is why I always personally recommend not going 4k, and going with 1440p instead.

@4k
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($168.15 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($145.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.49 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($739.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($739.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone - Redline RL06WS-PRO ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.36 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($183.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: Acer - XB271HK 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($699.99 @ B&H)
Other: CRYORIG A40 Ultimate ($114.45)
Total: $3433.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 16:05 EDT-0400


@1440p
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($168.15 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($145.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.49 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card ($739.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone - Redline RL06WS-PRO ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.36 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($183.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: Asus - PB277Q 27.0" 2560x1440 75Hz Monitor ($309.94 @ OutletPC)
Other: CRYORIG A40 Ultimate ($114.45)
Total: $2303.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 16:08 EDT-0400
 

Kasper Jorgensen

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Agree, but only in the few games that actually supports and scale well with SLI. Some games will actually give you worse FPS with SLI over a single card.
 
This is your best response and I agree 100% with it. This could change early next year with the release of the GTX 2xxx cards.

To get a really good experience, now and into the future, with 4k, you really want to SLI 1080ti. That is why I always personally recommend not going 4k, and going with 1440p instead
From the post above.
Stop at 2K a GTX 1080 will run everything fine and at high at the least. My 980 runs my 2K monitor just fine and in a couple years you will need to upgrade the video card anyhow.
Overkill on the power supply but a very good one with plenty of power for upgrades.
250GB SSD for the OS and programs, 500GB SSD for your main games, and a 1TB HDD for lesser played games and storage.
Good 2K IPS monitor.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($279.89 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($151.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($158.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.94 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card ($539.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Phanteks - PH-F140SP_BBK 82.1 CFM 140mm Fan ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ - GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($249.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1919.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 19:11 EDT-0400
 


The support and scaling part is just not true.
Here are some 1070 SLI marks most look impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BzoTweBPtM
 

Kasper Jorgensen

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Yes that is definitely true. Your link even show that, in one of The games the single 1070 beats the dual 1070. Either way please link from a benchmark that is not just some random YouTube video. Try to look here at Toms or at Linus.
Even with your benchmark the SLI gives only like 2fps more in most test compared to single GTX 1080 TI. And you need SLI capable mobo, larger and more expensive PSU and more heat in the case.
 

fredfinks

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Chiming in with another recommendation of forgetting 4k. GPUs just arent powerful enough and games will continually be more demanding( some games might scrape by on a 1080ti @ 4k, not next years AAA releases). A game 10years from now will look way better in 1440p or 1080p than a current game running at 4k. Its lighting/models/textures vs minecraft in 4k.


16:9 32" 1440p monitor is beautiful. 21:9 isnt nearlyas practical unless its soley for games. Asuming you use pc for web, video & other work. 21:9 lacks crucial vertical height.
Samsung s32d85 for e.g.

 

Kasper Jorgensen

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I would love to use the tier list here at Toms instead, problem is that it is so outdated.
 

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