Question Help to make a new and first pc

[Fall4Me]

It's my first time building a PC an I would like to receive help please. So basically I'm thinking to go for 1)CORSAIR VENGEANCE 64gb 6400 MHz
2)Intel core i9 13900/Intel I9 14900
3)ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi
Asus
4)Dark power pro 13 1300w/1600w
5)Lian Li Cool III
6)Corsair ICUE H170i Elite Capellix XT Liquid CPU cooler
8)Samsung 990 PRO SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 Gaming M.2 (P.S X2 of these)
9) SAPPHIRE PULSE RX 7900XTX / AsRock Aqua RX 7900XTX

I'm not sure is it good or not I searched a lot tried my best it's my first time even to figuring out..

And I have one more option the one I wanna most cuz of white color

1)G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz 64GB DDR5 288-Pin PC White / Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 Ram 64GB 6000MHz White
2) Intel i9 13900/14900
3) ASUS ROG Strix X670E-A Gaming WiFi White / ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A White
4) Dark pro 13 1300w/1600w
5)
Lian Li III RGB white / KEDIERS PC Case Pre-Install 9 ARGB Fans
6) Corsair ICUE H170I Elite LCD Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition
7)Samsung 990 PRO SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 Gaming M.2 (X2 of these)
8) AsRock Aqua RX 7900XTX for sure
AsRock Taichi RX 7900XTX White Edition optional.

please help me with that what is the best to choose

 

[ilukey77]

Ugh 😫 that's so hard to choose Aqua Is killing me with his beauty and it's almost same as 4090 but 4090 still better

If I have to choose which 4090 I need so it will be founders edition

look the aqua awesome no doubt ..
money no object though rog matrix GeForce RTX 4090 mic drop !!
7900xtx liquid what???
That said RT performance 4090 is crushing anything AMD atm !!

 

[Fall4Me]

Thats a mistake.

Mistake for going after Aqua?

 

[Fall4Me]

if gaming is your only thing dont waste money on the 7950 x3d the 7800x3d is just as good in most cases and cheaper ..
the 7950x or x3d is a better buy over 13th or 14th gen everyday of the week !!
the 13900k is the overall champ but i just cant recommend LGA1700 anything as its at the end of its life span !!

So what would be better AMD 7800 3D or Intel i7 13700 with 4090??

 

[ilukey77]

Mistake for going after Aqua?

well to my understanding the aqua isa custom loop card so your talking more $$$ ( while ive never dabbled in custom loops systems it can be a bit overwhelming unless you have a few builds under your belt )

And i still dont think your are going to get the raw performance you will out of a 4090 !!

 

[ilukey77]

So what would be better AMD 7800 3D or Intel i7 13700 with 4090??

7800x3d every day of the week ..

I just cant recommend Intel to people LGA 1700 is nearly dead AM5 has atleast zen 5 maybe even zen 6..

13700k may beat the 7800x3d in production tasks but there is just nothing going for intel at the moment it like throwing good money away ..

now if we were talking 15th with a new platform different story !!

and yes a 4090 !!

 

[Fall4Me]

well to my understanding the aqua isa custom loop card so your talking more $$$ ( while ive never dabbled in custom loops systems it can be a bit overwhelming unless you have a few builds under your belt )

And i still dont think your are going to get the raw performance you will out of a 4090

What about Rog Strix RTX 4090 white edition and Nvidia 4090 founders edition

 

[ilukey77]

What about Rog Strix RTX 4090 white edition and Nvidia 4090 founders edition

im aussie so i cant get founders editions here unless personal import ..

but white strix cards look crazy better than founders but also come and a bigger price too !!

all white builds always look awesome !!

as for performance between the 2 im a AMD guy but if i was to guess the rog would be the cooler of the 2 there is not much in the way of uplift between founders and 3rd party cards to my knowledge !!

 

[Fall4Me]

im aussie so i cant get founders editions here unless personal import ..

but white strix cards look crazy better than founders but also come and a bigger price too !!

all white builds always look awesome !!

as for performance between the 2 im a AMD guy but if i was to guess the rog would be the cooler of the 2 there is not much in the way of uplift between founders and 3rd party cards to my knowledge !!

7800x3d every day of the week ..

I just cant recommend Intel to people LGA 1700 is nearly dead AM5 has atleast zen 5 maybe even zen 6..

13700k may beat the 7800x3d in production tasks but there is just nothing going for intel at the moment it like throwing good money away ..

now if we were talking 15th with a new platform different story !!

and yes a 4090 !!

I just checked 7800 has 8-core 16 threads
And 7950 has 16-cores 32 threads isn't it better to take 7950?

 

[Fall4Me]

im aussie so i cant get founders editions here unless personal import ..

but white strix cards look crazy better than founders but also come and a bigger price too !!

all white builds always look awesome !!

as for performance between the 2 im a AMD guy but if i was to guess the rog would be the cooler of the 2 there is not much in the way of uplift between founders and 3rd party cards to my knowledge !

At Black Friday and Cyber Monday it must be cheaper? 20%-50% off if I will be lucky enough

 

[DSzymborski]

There's a lot that's very confusing here. There seems to be a real disconnect between goals of the build and the component choice. Just throwing in every super-high part in a pile is simply a guarantee to spend a few thousand extra dollars without any improvement in use.

For example, focusing on CPU core count in a build in which no indication is given that it has a use case that will utilize those cores. Not sure why there's a need for such an overkill PSU in this build. A custom loop is a terrible choice for a first build; it's like the first time you ever touch a car trying to rebuild an engine.

The assumption that there will be deep discounts on these parts on Black Friday is seriously misplaced. I would be absolutely shocked that if any of these parts lists, the total Black Friday savings would be anywhere *near* even 20%. A large percentage of Black Friday sales are older merchandise, things that aren't selling, or individually excellent sales designed to get traffic into stores/storefronts. Black Friday is absolutely *not* a mad jamboree in which a whole bunch of otherwise desirable things get slashed to the bone in price.

In other words, there are some very serious problems here that need to be resolved before rebuilding. You ought to be able to look at every part and know *why* you're choosing A over B for your use case, and I'm not talking stuff like "more cores better." And your price assumptions need to be realistic. I don't think I can make any recommendation at this point; I think that focusing on specific parts of this build is extremely premature.

 

[ilukey77]

I just checked 7800 has 8-core 16 threads
And 7950 has 16-cores 32 threads isn't it better to take 7950?

It depends on your use for the cpu the 7950x is a hard cpu to cool because of the high tdp95c boost unless you nerf it which makes it pointless in a sense ..

okay if gaming and production is what your after then the 7950x3d has the more cores lower tdp and better cache for games ..

BUT both the 7950x3d and 7950x are more expensive than the 7800x3d and for gaming the 7800x3d is the cheaper , more efficient , better cpu ..

And remember no one is 100% sure on when ZEN5 is going to release ..

so a good argument can be made to spend less now and save for zen5 ??

well ZEN 4 dropped on the 27th of sept 2022 so i dont think ZEN 5 is far off

 

[ilukey77]

There's a lot that's very confusing here. There seems to be a real disconnect between goals of the build and the component choice. Just throwing in every super-high part in a pile is simply a guarantee to spend a few thousand extra dollars without any improvement in use.

For example, focusing on CPU core count in a build in which no indication is given that it has a use case that will utilize those cores. Not sure why there's a need for such an overkill PSU in this build. A custom loop is a terrible choice for a first build; it's like the first time you ever touch a car trying to rebuild an engine.

The assumption that there will be deep discounts on these parts on Black Friday is seriously misplaced. I would be absolutely shocked that if any of these parts lists, the total Black Friday savings would be anywhere *near* even 20%. A large percentage of Black Friday sales are older merchandise, things that aren't selling, or individually excellent sales designed to get traffic into stores/storefronts. Black Friday is absolutely *not* a mad jamboree in which a whole bunch of otherwise desirable things get slashed to the bone in price.

In other words, there are some very serious problems here that need to be resolved before rebuilding. You ought to be able to look at every part and know *why* you're choosing A over B for your use case, and I'm not talking stuff like "more cores better." And your price assumptions need to be realistic. I don't think I can make any recommendation at this point; I think that focusing on specific parts of this build is extremely premature.

thats why i think a 7700 non x and a 4090 for 4k is ample if 4k gaming is the end goal ..
but
people want what people want if i get asked between a 13700k and 7800x3d then 7800x3d every day

 

[Flayed]

I have to admit I like the idea of the 3d cache chips, I may have to buy one myself. Here is an altered list with a white 4090 and a less overkill PSU:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($528.50 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($108.24 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend ATX AM5 Motherboard ($389.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($149.97 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($189.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($302.36 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($2359.00 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case ($170.75 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($203.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $4402.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-25 11:53 EDT-0400

 

[Fall4Me]

There's a lot that's very confusing here. There seems to be a real disconnect between goals of the build and the component choice. Just throwing in every super-high part in a pile is simply a guarantee to spend a few thousand extra dollars without any improvement in use.

For example, focusing on CPU core count in a build in which no indication is given that it has a use case that will utilize those cores. Not sure why there's a need for such an overkill PSU in this build. A custom loop is a terrible choice for a first build; it's like the first time you ever touch a car trying to rebuild an engine.

The assumption that there will be deep discounts on these parts on Black Friday is seriously misplaced. I would be absolutely shocked that if any of these parts lists, the total Black Friday savings would be anywhere *near* even 20%. A large percentage of Black Friday sales are older merchandise, things that aren't selling, or individually excellent sales designed to get traffic into stores/storefronts. Black Friday is absolutely *not* a mad jamboree in which a whole bunch of otherwise desirable things get slashed to the bone in price.

In other words, there are some very serious problems here that need to be resolved before rebuilding. You ought to be able to look at every part and know *why* you're choosing A over B for your use case, and I'm not talking stuff like "more cores better." And your price assumptions need to be realistic. I don't think I can make any recommendation at this point; I think that focusing on specific parts of this build is extremely premature.

Oh don't worry about building I will have someone to assist me. If I do something wrong he will stop me and show me how to do and I can do everything by myself. I wanted a high gaming PC that can manage to play any game at 4k maximum settings with the highest FPS. And if it's possible for 3D design and editing 4k+ videos etc. if not I'm good with the previous criteria.! I wanna run games like cyberpunk at maximum and the new assassin's creed. The CSGO can be run at his peak with a budget PC but not the cyberpunk etc

 

[Fall4Me]

It depends on your use for the cpu the 7950x is a hard cpu to cool because of the high tdp95c boost unless you nerf it which makes it pointless in a sense ..

okay if gaming and production is what your after then the 7950x3d has the more cores lower tdp and better cache for games ..

BUT both the 7950x3d and 7950x are more expensive than the 7800x3d and for gaming the 7800x3d is the cheaper , more efficient , better cpu ..

And remember no one is 100% sure on when ZEN5 is going to release ..

so a good argument can be made to spend less now and save for zen5 ??

well ZEN 4 dropped on the 27th of sept 2022 so i dont think ZEN 5 is far off

I cuz of so many arguments I went from Intel to AMD and now I'm really trying to decide 7800 or 7950 . Thanks

 

[ilukey77]

I cuz of so many arguments I went from Intel to AMD and now I'm really trying to decide 7800 or 7950 . Thanks

in the end its your call be it far from anyone to make your decision for you ..

7950x3d will give you soild gaming performance and solid production work .

7800x3d is cheaper just as good gaming as the 7950x3d it just gives alot less performance with production work ..

In fairness i just cant recommend Intel because of the platform life span ..

AM5 you can still slot ZEN5 and maybe ZEN6 into giving it some life span !!

 

[Fall4Me]

in the end its your call be it far from anyone to make your decision for you ..

7950x3d will give you soild gaming performance and solid production work .

7800x3d is cheaper just as good gaming as the 7950x3d it just gives alot less performance with production work ..

In fairness i just cant recommend Intel because of the platform life span ..

AM5 you can still slot ZEN5 and maybe ZEN6 into giving it some life span !!

Then what do you think about this build

ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi

Nvidia GeForce 4090 Founders Edition
Or
Asus Rog Strix 4090 OC

AMD 7 7800X 3D
(P.S Or 7950X 3D if you think it's better here)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz 64GB DDR5
Or
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 7200MHz 32GB DDR5

Samsung 990 PRO SSD 2TB (X2/X3)

Be Quiet! Dark power 13 Pro 1300/1600w

Case
Lian Li O11DXL

Corsair ICUE H170i Elite Capellix XT Liquid CPU cooler 325
(P.S if you have a better CPU cooler 420mm please tell me)

 

[ilukey77]

Then what do you think about this build

ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi

Nvidia GeForce 4090 Founders Edition
Or
Asus Rog Strix 4090 OC

AMD 7 7800X 3D
(P.S Or 7950X 3D if you think it's better here)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400MHz 64GB DDR5
Or
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 7200MHz 32GB DDR5

Samsung 990 PRO SSD 2TB (X2/X3)

Be Quiet! Dark power 13 Pro 1300/1600w

Case
Lian Li O11DXL

Corsair ICUE H170i Elite Capellix XT Liquid CPU cooler 325
(P.S if you have a better CPU cooler 420mm please tell me)

x670e or b650e is AMD

Z790 or B760 is for intel

32gb should be enough remember AM5 uses expo ram and ive used the gksill z5 rgb cl30 6000 in a few systems and is the sweet spot 6400 is the highest supported by AMD but 6400 is very small gains if any..

I like arctic freezer ii 420 mm not the prettiest but very good cooler ..
( my 7600x temps would not exceed 75c with the arctic 420mm and by default it wants to push to 95c )

I hear the lian li galahad ii trinity 360 is a very good AIO to

If your using the 7800x3d a decent 280mm is fine or i have used a noctua NH -U12a on it and about the same as the 280mm aio in R23 allcore 80 to 85c

I dont know much about be quiet PSU's but 1300w is more than enough for a 4090 1600w is more for extreme OC

personally wouldnt spend extra on 990s the gains if any will be hardly noticed 980s will be fine !!

unless youre going to go a high end x670e with gen 5 ssd support then use gen5 ssds 980s or WD sn850x's will be fine

The 7950x3d will give you better gaming in cache sensitive games the 7800x3d is just as good in gaming ..

7950x slightly better than the 7950x3d in production due to slightly higher clocks but not as good as the 7800x3d or 7950x3d in games

rog strix 4090 will give the better cooling i think than the founders 4090 ( and looks better in my opinion !!

 

[Lafong]

what do you think about this build

You are not likely to get a consensus on any particular parts on this site...or any other site. Ultimately, you are driving the car and we are all anonymous back-seat drivers yammering at you.

It sounds like you are prone to second guessing yourself and buyer's remorse. "What if I'm wrong!!!!!" can be paralyzing......despite the fact that the distinctions between parts is minimal and subject to opinion.

I don't know what might cause you to choose parts ABC rather than parts XYZ....maybe a time deadline will come into play and put an end to indecision. That might be a blessing, but only you can evaluate those forces.

Addendum: I think you have very little chance of getting even a 10 percent price reduction on a specific set of parts during future sales.

 

[Fall4Me]

x670e or b650e is AMD

Z790 or B760 is for intel

32gb should be enough remember AM5 uses expo ram and ive used the gksill z5 rgb cl30 6000 in a few systems and is the sweet spot 6400 is the highest supported by AMD but 6400 is very small gains if any..

I like arctic freezer ii 420 mm not the prettiest but very good cooler ..
( my 7600x temps would not exceed 75c with the arctic 420mm and by default it wants to push to 95c )

I hear the lian li galahad ii trinity 360 is a very good AIO to

If your using the 7800x3d a decent 280mm is fine or i have used a noctua NH -U12a on it and about the same as the 280mm aio in R23 allcore 80 to 85c

I dont know much about be quiet PSU's but 1300w is more than enough for a 4090 1600w is more for extreme OC

personally wouldnt spend extra on 990s the gains if any will be hardly noticed 980s will be fine !!

unless youre going to go a high end x670e with gen 5 ssd support then use gen5 ssds 980s or WD sn850x's will be fine

The 7950x3d will give you better gaming in cache sensitive games the 7800x3d is just as good in gaming ..

7950x slightly better than the 7950x3d in production due to slightly higher clocks but not as good as the 7800x3d or 7950x3d in games

rog strix 4090 will give the better cooling i think than the founders 4090 ( and looks better in my opinion !!

Then what do you think about
ASUS ROG Strix X670E-A Gaming WiFi

 

[ilukey77]

Oh I'm still learning and I'm new to it. Have no idea about ABC/XYZ

if your unsure take your time watch you tube videos on the components you are interested in and not just one review a few ..

the first pc i built was a 3700x 5700xt red devil msi mag x570 tomahawk gskill ddr4 cl36 3600 corsair 750w psu in a nzxt case about 5 years ago

truth be told my reasoning behind the 3700x was because alot of reviewers said it was a good little allround cpu ..
now i dont do production so i stick with the best gaming cpu's money can buy ..

the 5700xt red devil was because it was competing with the 2070 and was much cheaper ..

hard ware unboxed did a review on the msi mag x570 tomahawk wifi mobo and its been a champ i still use it in my 5800x3d 6900xt system ..

gkill ram has been a favorite of mine no issues so ill keep using it same with corsair PSU's

point is i took weeks and weeks researching parts and watching reviews till i pulled the trigger from there ive just built and learnt built and learnt since then ..

I guess my saving grace was back then i just did all my own investigating no forums just reviews on You tube !!

maybe to just want the best of the best straight up is the issue ( not to confuse you more )

just build a system then evaluate what is important to you and upgrade over time to suit your needs !!

 

[Why_Me]

in the end its your call be it far from anyone to make your decision for you ..

7950x3d will give you soild gaming performance and solid production work .

7800x3d is cheaper just as good gaming as the 7950x3d it just gives alot less performance with production work ..

In fairness i just cant recommend Intel because of the platform life span ..

AM5 you can still slot ZEN5 and maybe ZEN6 into giving it some life span !!

The X3D cpu's are great at gaming and mediocre at best in regards to productivity.

 

[Why_Me]

Oh don't worry about building I will have someone to assist me. If I do something wrong he will stop me and show me how to do and I can do everything by myself. I wanted a high gaming PC that can manage to play any game at 4k maximum settings with the highest FPS. And if it's possible for 3D design and editing 4k+ videos etc. if not I'm good with the previous criteria.! I wanna run games like cyberpunk at maximum and the new assassin's creed. The CSGO can be run at his peak with a budget PC but not the cyberpunk etc

The i7 13700 beats the 7800X3D seven ways to Sunday in regards to productivity such as 3D design and video editing. As far as gaming at 4K goes the difference is 1 - 2 frames per second on average between those two cpu's.

This review was done with a RTX 4090.

 

[ilukey77]

The i7 13700 beats the 7800X3D seven ways to Sunday in regards to productivity such as 3D design and video editing. As far as gaming at 4K goes the difference is 1 - 2 frames per second on average between those two cpu's.

This review was done with a RTX 4090.

but your still on a dead platform with NO upgradability the 8000series will beat the pathetic 14th gen every day of the week so even with a upgrade to the 14700k being a better cpu in some regards to the 13700k the 8000 series will beat it then the 8000x3ds will crush it !!

I dont disagree that the 13700k is a good cpu but its on a DEAD platform LGA 1700 is waste of money !!

If we were talking about 15th with a LGA whatever new socket completely different story!!

 

[Why_Me]

but your still on a dead platform with NO upgradability the 8000series will beat the pathetic 14th gen every day of the week so even with a upgrade to the 14700k being a better cpu in some regards to the 13700k the 8000 series will beat it then the 8000x3ds will crush it !!

I dont disagree that the 13700k is a good cpu but its on a DEAD platform LGA 1700 is waste of money !!

If we were talking about 15th with a LGA whatever new socket completely different story!!

All platforms are eventually dead. Meanwhile more Raptor Lake Refresh cpu's are due for release within the next few months.