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"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
>
> I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..


Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you would
get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend less
dollars.
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:
> "Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
>>
>>I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
>
>
>
> Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you would
> get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend less
> dollars.

You don't know what he paid, so how can you comment on price/performance?

He may have picked up 4 used late model 10K 36G SCSI drives for the same
price as a single new Raptor, and gotten the RAID card thrown in - just
as I did recently.
 
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"Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ron Reaugh wrote:
> > "Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
> >>
> >>I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
> >
> >
> >
> > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
would
> > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
less
> > dollars.
>
> You don't know what he paid, so how can you comment on price/performance?


What he paid isn't relevant. The current market price is the relevant
factor.

> He may have picked up 4 used late model 10K 36G SCSI drives for the same
> price as a single new Raptor,


Not unless he stole them.

> and gotten the RAID card thrown in - just
> as I did recently.

What model drives and controller?
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
> >
> > I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
>
>
> Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you would
> get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend less
> dollars.
>

Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI drives.
 
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"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I paid a bit more then the price of one Raptor drive and SATA card
> would have cost me.

FOR WHAT MODEL RAID CARD AND WHAT MODEL SCSI HDs?
 
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"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Assuming the price is the same..

Nope.

> Wouldn't 2 36gig drives be faster then 1 single 73gig drive?

Depends on the HD model and how they are configured.

> And 3 drives even better.

Same.

> The fact of having the OS - Programs - Data and Swap file on separate
> physical drives.

All three on a RAID 0 array will help. Have enough RAM such that the swap
file isn't a factor.

> Assuming the same model types.
>
> If you had a 36 gig Raptor drive that was as fast as the 73gig model.

The 74GB Raptor is the fast model.

> Wouldn't 2 36 gig drives be faster then 2 single 73gig model?

Generally no as the bigger drive is usually faster. Rephrase your question.

> If speed were in relation to application performance.
 
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Assuming they are properly configured.....


3 73GB raptors would be faster then 1 single 73GB Raptor?

That was my point....


>
>
> Generally no as the bigger drive is usually faster. Rephrase your question.
>
>
>>If speed were in relation to application performance.
>
>
>
>
 
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:aNBwe.370656$cg1.67019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
> > >
> > > I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
> >
> >
> > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
would
> > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
less
> > dollars.
> >
>
> Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI
drives.

Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d9vns80acb@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:aNBwe.370656$cg1.67019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> > > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
> would
> > > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
> less
> > > dollars.
> > >
> >
> > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI
> drives.
>
> Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!
>
Too dumb to figure out I left out the word "that"?

In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
So, do you or did you own those drives?
 
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:1MJwe.371888$cg1.129897@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:d9vns80acb@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:aNBwe.370656$cg1.67019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > >
> > > > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high
performance
> > > > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then
you
> > would
> > > > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and
spend
> > less
> > > > dollars.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI
> > drives.
> >
> > Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!
> >
> Too dumb to figure out I left out the word "that"?
>
> In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
> Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
> So, do you or did you own those drives?

Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation for
all to read for themsleves.
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d9vtek0dlp@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:1MJwe.371888$cg1.129897@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > >
> > > > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI
> > > drives.
> > >
> > > Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!
> > >
> > Too dumb to figure out I left out the word "that"?
> >
> > In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
> > Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
> > So, do you or did you own those drives?
>
> Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation for
> all to read for themsleves.
>
Forget to take your anti-psychotics today, Ronnie?
 
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Rod Reaugh wrote:

>"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
>> Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
>> So, do you or did you own those drives?
>
>Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation for
>all to read for themsleves.

Huh? And you complained that Eric couldn't "formulate a coherent
statement in English"?

You're as obnoxious a prick as ever, aren't 'ya Ronnie? Why not just
answer the question?
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:3ULwe.372228$cg1.234934@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d9vtek0dlp@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:1MJwe.371888$cg1.129897@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d9vns80acb@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > > > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> > > > > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you would
> > > > > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend less dollars.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI drives.
> > >
> > > Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!
> > >
> > Too dumb to figure out I left out the word "that"?
> >
> > In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
> > Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
> > So, do you or did you own those drives?
>
> Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation for
> all to read for themsleves.

What's wrong with their sleves?

So Ron, this is your new improved meaning of a coherent statement, is it?
I think you should go back to the sanatorium, Ron. I think you left it to soon.
It does take it's time to recover from that brain hemorrhage that you
suffered and which caused you to leave here quite some time ago.
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:1MJwe.371888$cg1.129897@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d9vns80acb@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > "Ron Reaugh" wrote in message"ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > > "Fishhead" wrote in message"gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
> > > >
> > > > I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
> > >
> > >
> > > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
> > > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you would
> > > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend less dollars.
> > >
> >
> > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu SCSI drives.
>
> Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think so!

Anyone noticed Ronnie ask a lot of rhetorical questions lately?

And Ron, in case you wonder why I didn't come back to some of your othe rhetorical
questions, it wasn't because of that but because of your completely incoherent babbling.
 
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"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Rod Reaugh wrote:
>
> >"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
> >> Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
> >> So, do you or did you own those drives?
> >
> >Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation
for
> >all to read for themsleves.
>
> Huh? And you complained that Eric couldn't "formulate a coherent
> statement in English"?
>
> You're as obnoxious a prick as ever, aren't 'ya Ronnie? Why not just
> answer the question?

The wackos keep slithering up. I never said anything about any Fujitsu
drives being the best price-performance solurion for a single user
workstation. That Fujitsu model at the time was the top triple cost SCSI HD
around. Ya wanna cite any real threads toto?
>
 
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A'll bet yr gonna start ranting about OE settings again...wait for the full
moom.

"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message
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> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > > > "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:aNBwe.370656$cg1.67019@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high
performance
> > > > > > ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and
then you would
> > > > > > get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and
spend less dollars.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well Ron, just a few months ago you posted you own recent Fujitsu
SCSI drives.
> > > >
> > > > Can you formulate a coherent statement in English??...don't think
so!
> > > >
> > > Too dumb to figure out I left out the word "that"?
> > >
> > > In 2004 you posted 6 messages recommending the 15K MAS3735.
> > > Twice you wrote "Use Fujitsu MAS3735 drives and fly."
> > > So, do you or did you own those drives?
> >
> > Wacko. Your usual fraud as you of course included the thread citation
for
> > all to read for themsleves.
>
> What's wrong with their sleves?
>
> So Ron, this is your new improved meaning of a coherent statement, is it?
> I think you should go back to the sanatorium, Ron. I think you left it to
soon.
> It does take it's time to recover from that brain hemorrhage that you
> suffered and which caused you to leave here quite some time ago.
>
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:
> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:0bCwe.9697$mK5.619012@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>
>>Ron Reaugh wrote:
>>
>>>"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
>>>>
>>>>I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
>>>ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
>
> would
>
>>>get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
>
> less
>
>>>dollars.
>>
>>You don't know what he paid, so how can you comment on price/performance?
>
>
>
> What he paid isn't relevant. The current market price is the relevant
> factor.
>
>
>>He may have picked up 4 used late model 10K 36G SCSI drives for the same
>>price as a single new Raptor,
>
>
>
> Not unless he stole them.
>
>
>>and gotten the RAID card thrown in - just
>>as I did recently.
>
>
> What model drives and controller?

MAP3367NP & 3400s
 
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"Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ron Reaugh wrote:
>> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:0bCwe.9697$mK5.619012@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>
>>>
>>>Ron Reaugh wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
>>>>>
>>>>>I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
>>>>ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
>>
>> would
>>
>>>>get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
>>
>> less
>>
>>>>dollars.
>>>
>>>You don't know what he paid, so how can you comment on price/performance?
>>
>>
>>
>> What he paid isn't relevant. The current market price is the relevant
>> factor.
>>
>>
>>>He may have picked up 4 used late model 10K 36G SCSI drives for the same
>>>price as a single new Raptor,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not unless he stole them.
>>
>>
>>>and gotten the RAID card thrown in - just
>>>as I did recently.
>>
>>
>> What model drives and controller?
>
> MAP3367NP & 3400s

MAP3367 is 38GB and the 74GB model MAP3735 costs about $300 while the 74GB
Raptor costs $190.

An Adaptec 3400S costs about $400. An Intel chipset mobo with an ICH5R or
ICH6R has builtin RAID 0/1 for the SATA Raptors.

Such a SCSI RAID 0 or RAID 1 configuration on a single user workstation
offers little over the much less expensive SATA RAID solution.

Good SATA HW RAID 5 is available via a 3Ware(9500) card for about $300.
 
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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:BY2ye.3062$Ud.205281@news20.bellglobal.com...

> >> What model drives and controller?
> >
> > MAP3367NP & 3400s
>
> MAP3367 is 38GB and the 74GB model MAP3735 costs about $300 while the 74GB
> Raptor costs $190.
>
A new FUJITSU MAP 36GB 10K just sold for $46, much less than Raptor's $120.
Ebay item 5212534574. Previous generation SCSI is cheap.

> An Adaptec 3400S costs about $400. An Intel chipset mobo with an ICH5R or
> ICH6R has builtin RAID 0/1 for the SATA Raptors.
>
Used Ultra160 RAID is OK for 2-3 drives, and costs very little.

> Such a SCSI RAID 0 or RAID 1 configuration on a single user workstation
> offers little over the much less expensive SATA RAID solution.
>
> Good SATA HW RAID 5 is available via a 3Ware(9500) card for about $300.
>
Intel's SW RAID 5 for the ICH7 performs very well. Tom's Hardware just reviewed it.
 
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:BY2ye.3062$Ud.205281@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>> >> What model drives and controller?
>> >
>> > MAP3367NP & 3400s
>>
>> MAP3367 is 38GB and the 74GB model MAP3735 costs about $300 while the
>> 74GB
>> Raptor costs $190.
>>
> A new FUJITSU MAP 36GB 10K just sold for $46, much less than Raptor's
> $120.


Ebay frauds don't count. Prices at reputable web outlets like Page or
NewEgg do. Get a clue. The Raptor is 74GB and about $190.

> Ebay item 5212534574. Previous generation SCSI is cheap.
>
>> An Adaptec 3400S costs about $400. An Intel chipset mobo with an ICH5R
>> or
>> ICH6R has builtin RAID 0/1 for the SATA Raptors.
>>
> Used Ultra160 RAID is OK for 2-3 drives, and costs very little.


Stolen is cheaper yet....have you done that? Now, let's guess what kind of
reliability you get from your HW?

>> Such a SCSI RAID 0 or RAID 1 configuration on a single user workstation
>> offers little over the much less expensive SATA RAID solution.
>>
>> Good SATA HW RAID 5 is available via a 3Ware(9500) card for about $300.
>>
> Intel's SW RAID 5 for the ICH7 performs very well. Tom's Hardware just
> reviewed it.


Reviewed without full insight that is. SW/firmware RAID 5 can work ok. But
that review at Tom's fails to show CPU usage and also ignores the rebuild
load of replacing a failed drive in a RAID 5 set. Full non-host CPU/bus
support is required for full/robust RAID 5 support. For modest
configuration file servers(not app servers) that don't require high
uptime/availability but just no lost data then such ATA RAID 5 solutions
are VERY cost effective as I've been saying for years.
 
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Take you meds, Ronnie. Conspiracy theories are not valid arguments.

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> > news:Sp4ye.1076669$w62.76616@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> news:BY2ye.3062$Ud.205281@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >> >> What model drives and controller?
> >> >
> >> > MAP3367NP & 3400s
> >>
> >> MAP3367 is 38GB and the 74GB model MAP3735 costs about $300 while the
> >> 74GB
> >> Raptor costs $190.
> >>
> > A new FUJITSU MAP 36GB 10K just sold for $46, much less than Raptor's
> > $120.
>
>
> Ebay frauds don't count. Prices at reputable web outlets like Page or
> NewEgg do. Get a clue. The Raptor is 74GB and about $190.
>
> > Ebay item 5212534574. Previous generation SCSI is cheap.
> >
> >> An Adaptec 3400S costs about $400. An Intel chipset mobo with an ICH5R
> >> or
> >> ICH6R has builtin RAID 0/1 for the SATA Raptors.
> >>
> > Used Ultra160 RAID is OK for 2-3 drives, and costs very little.
>
>
> Stolen is cheaper yet....have you done that? Now, let's guess what kind of
> reliability you get from your HW?
>
> >> Such a SCSI RAID 0 or RAID 1 configuration on a single user workstation
> >> offers little over the much less expensive SATA RAID solution.
> >>
> >> Good SATA HW RAID 5 is available via a 3Ware(9500) card for about $300.
>
 
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Ron Reaugh wrote:

> "Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:BY2ye.3062$Ud.205281@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>
>>Ron Reaugh wrote:
>>
>>>"Sunny" <sunny@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>news:0bCwe.9697$mK5.619012@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ron Reaugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Fishhead" <gregarpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1120069414.859257.244310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Regardless of the performance and price garbage...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I picked up a SCSI RAID card and 4 10k 36 gig harddrives..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Too bad. You should have got 4 inexpensive late model high performance
>>>>>ATA HDs and an inexpensive late model ATA RAID card and then you
>>>
>>>would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>get much more storage that is just as fast and likely faster and spend
>>>
>>>less
>>>
>>>
>>>>>dollars.
>>>>
>>>>You don't know what he paid, so how can you comment on price/performance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What he paid isn't relevant. The current market price is the relevant
>>>factor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>He may have picked up 4 used late model 10K 36G SCSI drives for the same
>>>>price as a single new Raptor,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Not unless he stole them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>and gotten the RAID card thrown in - just
>>>>as I did recently.
>>>
>>>
>>>What model drives and controller?
>>
>>MAP3367NP & 3400s
>
>
> MAP3367 is 38GB and the 74GB model MAP3735 costs about $300 while the 74GB
> Raptor costs $190.
>
> An Adaptec 3400S costs about $400. An Intel chipset mobo with an ICH5R or
> ICH6R has builtin RAID 0/1 for the SATA Raptors.
>
> Such a SCSI RAID 0 or RAID 1 configuration on a single user workstation
> offers little over the much less expensive SATA RAID solution.

My cost was $CAD200 for a 3 x 36GB RAID 5 array and a spare drive. I
installed it in my dual P3 workstation, which remains more than adequate
for my needs - I just needed more storage, redundancy is a bonus. I paid
market price for the drives from a reputable reseller, and obtained a
receipt. The RAID controller was thrown in free because it was
non-functional - someone had dropped it and knocked off several passive
surface mount components, repair took me about an hour.

I considered all options, but used SCSI in general and the offer I
accepted in particular was by far the most cost effective solution.
 
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I paid $300 for mine.
4 drives and a RAID card.


>
> My cost was $CAD200 for a 3 x 36GB RAID 5 array and a spare drive. I
> installed it in my dual P3 workstation, which remains more than adequate
> for my needs - I just needed more storage, redundancy is a bonus. I paid
> market price for the drives from a reputable reseller, and obtained a
> receipt. The RAID controller was thrown in free because it was
> non-functional - someone had dropped it and knocked off several passive
> surface mount components, repair took me about an hour.
>
> I considered all options, but used SCSI in general and the offer I
> accepted in particular was by far the most cost effective solution.
 
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"Jeremy Boden" <jeremy@jboden.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cRJtetABGpyCFww6@jboden.demon.co.uk...
>
> No top posting please.
> What does POS mean?
> BTW this wasn't posted with mozilla.
>

Very often it means Point Of Sale, probably not in this context ;-)

Rob
 
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