High temps with a nzxt kraken x62 cpu cooler

[RhinoTV]

Hello,

So i bought a kraken x62 and the temps were really high so returned it and got a new one. Got the new one today and installed it and again got high temps but something is really strange and i can't think of a fix.

So i just upgraded to a ryzen 7 2700x,asus x470-f mobo and 16gb of trident z 3600mhz ram. I also got a msi 970 and when i installed everything firstly, i got lower fps than before on my other parts (i7 4790k,16gb ddr4 ram, asus z-97k). So i was onto a friend and he just said your gpu is bottlenecking and i can understand that so thats not problem.

Now with the temps, they were very high on all coolers i tested. I used a nzxt kraken m22, kraken x62 and the stock cooler and all very high temps on idle (jumps from 40-70c). So now what i found out was if i changed my power plan in windows to 'power saver' it drops the temps and now while im typing this its at 37degrees celcius. I think this is good. However sometimes it just jumps to maybe 60 or lower and then slowly drops back down. This is all still when im on idle just browsing google or something. If i change to amd ryzen balance or recommended in that power plan the temps jump to aleast 50 + .

So i think its because of the gpu but i dont know why this would change the cpu temps. I'm only new to building pc's so don't know a lot. Please help me down below. Was thinking of getting a new gpu, trying it out and then see if that fixes the problem.

 

[RhinoTV]

This okay?https://imgur.com/a/dJmMeN7

That works!

Any chance you can scroll to the section in HWiNFO that says CPU [#0]: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X: Enhanced and take a shot of that section? It will have your CPU temps and overall voltages.

Right away, your per core voltages look high, making me suspect your cores are doing some work or not being allowed to spool down correctly and enter low power states.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

That's fine. Gimme a minute to look at it. 🙂

 

[RhinoTV]

No worries take your time !

That's fine. Gimme a minute to look at it. 🙂

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

So, looking at your numbers I don't actually see a problem with them. The 2700X has the capacity to heat up significantly within about 1 second, so wild temperature fluctuations shouldn't be viewed as a sign that there is a problem.

Your historical temperature data shows a low of 38 and a high of 62.3, which seems to be in line for that CPU.

A rough estimate for the weather in Ireland looks like it's ranging between about 69-80°F (20.5-26.6°C), so we can roughly assume your cooler is somewhere between say 12-18°C above ambient. I'm guessing it's actually somewhere in the middle there. That doesn't sound too unreasonable with back of the napkin calculations.

The voltage required for the 2700X to reach it's maximum boost clocks (which yours is only 10 Mhz from, so basically it is hitting them) is quite high at around 1.52 volts, which contributes to the temperature swinging so fast.

Your SOC voltage looks a bit high. I'm assuming that's due to the speed of RAM modules you're using. This is probably contributing to a bit of extra heat, but otherwise, the system appears to be running within acceptable levels.

Have you seen higher temperatures reported for Tdie than the 60's? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. AMD lists 85°C as the max temp, so as long as Tdie stays below 85°C, the CPU should live out it's normal expected life span. I certainly wouldn't want to see it regularly running in the mid to high 70's though. I would revisit the cooling issue if it typically gets that warm, but anywhere in the 60's for everyday usage should be more than fine.

 

[RhinoTV]

Wow okay thats very strange. Thanks so much for going over all of this. I think the max ive seen is maybe 67 on idle ? but for only a second or two. The only annoying thing is the fans keep ramping up. I also just dont feel comfortable with it being that high. Doesn't really make sense but it just doesn't feel normal to me. My old cpu (i7 4790k) never had this problem. I was thinking ( since i'm a intel fan) that i should just return it and get this https://imgur.com/a/YRO59fd . I'd just feel happier. And yes i do know it will be a downgrade but im going to start saving up for a new gpu. What are your thoughts? I have a feeling it will be a lot quieter pc aswell

So, looking at your numbers I don't actually see a problem with them. The 2700X has the capacity to heat up significantly within about 1 second, so wild temperature fluctuations shouldn't be viewed as a sign that there is a problem.

Your historical temperature data shows a low of 38 and a high of 62.3, which seems to be in line for that CPU.

A rough estimate for the weather in Ireland looks like it's ranging between about 69-80°F (20.5-26.6°C), so we can roughly assume your cooler is somewhere between say 12-18°C above ambient. I'm guessing it's actually somewhere in the middle there. That doesn't sound too unreasonable with back of the napkin calculations.

The voltage required for the 2700X to reach it's maximum boost clocks (which yours is only 10 Mhz from, so basically it is hitting them) is quite high at around 1.52 volts, which contributes to the temperature swinging so fast.

Your SOC voltage looks a bit high. I'm assuming that's due to the speed of RAM modules you're using. This is probably contributing to a bit of extra heat, but otherwise, the system appears to be running within acceptable levels.

Have you seen higher temperatures reported for Tdie than the 60's? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. AMD lists 85°C as the max temp, so as long as Tdie stays below 85°C, the CPU should live out it's normal expected life span. I certainly wouldn't want to see it regularly running in the mid to high 70's though. I would revisit the cooling issue if it typically gets that warm, but anywhere in the 60's for everyday usage should be more than fine.

 

[Karadjgne]

Couple of things.

First, you have an AIO. That's liquid cooling. It's not an aircooler. While many will say they are the same thing, they are, but only to a point. AIO's have much more in common with full custom loop liquid cooling than air coolers, one of those things being there is really just 2 temps that have any value whatsoever. Those above 70°C and those below. To the cpu, any temp between @30 and 90°C is the same thing. Doesn't affect the cpu in the slightest. Above @90, you start getting into throttling ranges, and finally shutdown areas. That's the only temps that mean anything to the cpu. 70°C is the universally accepted safety cutoff. That's a personal thing, just as is any temps below 70 being seen as lower is better. With liquid cooling, it matters not. Liquid temps have more value. Understand, liquid takes a massive amount of energy to raise 1°C, that's the AIO's advantage, no matter what you throw at it, it'll keep absorbing that energy, whereas an aircooler will top out faster.

Asong as operating temps are below @70°C, you are fine, spikes are extremely temporary by nature and will happen with usage, windows background apps, anything.

Secondly, 430RPM at idle is totally normal. The cooler is under no preset to constantly maintain absolute lowest temps possible by higher rpm fan usage. That's Your decision to make. My x61 fans run at 450rpm at idle, 600rpm at loads and max out at 900rpm as that's the limit I put on them. In 23°C ambient, that's good for 32° idle, 55° gaming and 70°C under p95 26.6 small fft. I run silent mode. I could gain @3°C by using performance, but there's no need.

Air/heat transfer works at any rpm, that's not a factor, there's plenty of passive heatsinks out there, and theres absolutely no need for gale force winds in a cpu cooler. By comparison, a Noctua NH-D15/S runs almost identical rpm as I do.

 

[RhinoTV]

Thing is those temps are at power saver mode in the power mode on windows. The temps jump to like 55+ to 65 at idle

Couple of things.

First, you have an AIO. That's liquid cooling. It's not an aircooler. While many will say they are the same thing, they are, but only to a point. AIO's have much more in common with full custom loop liquid cooling than air coolers, one of those things being there is really just 2 temps that have any value whatsoever. Those above 70°C and those below. To the cpu, any temp between @30 and 90°C is the same thing. Doesn't affect the cpu in the slightest. Above @90, you start getting into throttling ranges, and finally shutdown areas. That's the only temps that mean anything to the cpu. 70°C is the universally accepted safety cutoff. That's a personal thing, just as is any temps below 70 being seen as lower is better. With liquid cooling, it matters not. Liquid temps have more value. Understand, liquid takes a massive amount of energy to raise 1°C, that's the AIO's advantage, no matter what you throw at it, it'll keep absorbing that energy, whereas an aircooler will top out faster.

Asong as operating temps are below @70°C, you are fine, spikes are extremely temporary by nature and will happen with usage, windows background apps, anything.

Secondly, 430RPM at idle is totally normal. The cooler is under no preset to constantly maintain absolute lowest temps possible by higher rpm fan usage. That's Your decision to make. My x61 fans run at 450rpm at idle, 600rpm at loads and max out at 900rpm as that's the limit I put on them. In 23°C ambient, that's good for 32° idle, 55° gaming and 70°C under p95 26.6 small fft. I run silent mode. I could gain @3°C by using performance, but there's no need.

Air/heat transfer works at any rpm, that's not a factor, there's plenty of passive heatsinks out there, and theres absolutely no need for gale force winds in a cpu cooler. By comparison, a Noctua NH-D15/S runs almost identical rpm as I do.

 

[RhinoTV]

Thing is those temps are at power saver mode in the power mode on windows. The temps jump to like 55+ to 65 at idle

Couple of things.

First, you have an AIO. That's liquid cooling. It's not an aircooler. While many will say they are the same thing, they are, but only to a point. AIO's have much more in common with full custom loop liquid cooling than air coolers, one of those things being there is really just 2 temps that have any value whatsoever. Those above 70°C and those below. To the cpu, any temp between @30 and 90°C is the same thing. Doesn't affect the cpu in the slightest. Above @90, you start getting into throttling ranges, and finally shutdown areas. That's the only temps that mean anything to the cpu. 70°C is the universally accepted safety cutoff. That's a personal thing, just as is any temps below 70 being seen as lower is better. With liquid cooling, it matters not. Liquid temps have more value. Understand, liquid takes a massive amount of energy to raise 1°C, that's the AIO's advantage, no matter what you throw at it, it'll keep absorbing that energy, whereas an aircooler will top out faster.

Asong as operating temps are below @70°C, you are fine, spikes are extremely temporary by nature and will happen with usage, windows background apps, anything.

Secondly, 430RPM at idle is totally normal. The cooler is under no preset to constantly maintain absolute lowest temps possible by higher rpm fan usage. That's Your decision to make. My x61 fans run at 450rpm at idle, 600rpm at loads and max out at 900rpm as that's the limit I put on them. In 23°C ambient, that's good for 32° idle, 55° gaming and 70°C under p95 26.6 small fft. I run silent mode. I could gain @3°C by using performance, but there's no need.

Air/heat transfer works at any rpm, that's not a factor, there's plenty of passive heatsinks out there, and theres absolutely no need for gale force winds in a cpu cooler. By comparison, a Noctua NH-D15/S runs almost identical rpm as I do.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

Windows 10 can't help itself. It constantly spikes temps on the 2700X. If the temp is spiking, it's probably not idling, even though you might not be doing anything with the CPU.

You should not be using the Ryzen balanced power plan and shouldn't have to use the Power saver plan, you should be using the Balanced power plan.

You might need to dig into the Balanced power plan to ensure it hasn't been tinkered with. Inside the advanced settings for the Processor power management, the default minimum processor state should be set to 5%. If it's set higher, the CPU won't clock as expected, instead running at that higher percentage, generating a bit more heat at the cost of a bit more power.

 

[RhinoTV]

Oh wow okay never knew that. What you think of my other idea of the new build anyway ??

Windows 10 can't help itself. It constantly spikes temps on the 2700X. If the temp is spiking, it's probably not idling, even though you might not be doing anything with the CPU.

You should not be using the Ryzen balanced power plan and shouldn't have to use the Power saver plan, you should be using the Balanced power plan.

You might need to dig into the Balanced power plan to ensure it hasn't been tinkered with. Inside the advanced settings for the Processor power management, the default minimum processor state should be set to 5%. If it's set higher, the CPU won't clock as expected, instead running at that higher percentage, generating a bit more heat at the cost of a bit more power.

 

[bigpinkdragon286]

Not sure why you would want an older generation i7, unless you're just worried about price.

Other than that, unless you're future GPU is going to be a 1080 Ti or better, you're unlikely to see the massive performance difference most Intel fans claim exists between a 2700X and even an 8700k CPU. Most GPUs are still quite capable of being the bottleneck in the system when playing games, unless you turn down settings or run at 1080p or lower resolutions.

If you have buyer's remorse for going with an AMD build, I'm not really sure I can help you with that.