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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:25:48 +0100, Mean_Chlorine
<mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:


>Not true. The EULA is worthless, but copyright legislation still
>apply.

The games have copy protection software built in so I can't copy them.
Next.

 

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Schrodinger wrote:
> "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
> news:529k01d7clomha48b3c2ke7r32ivija5qj@4ax.com...
>
>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:53:38 GMT, "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just what is your problem, Andrew? A completely neutral trading standards
>>>department has found the packaging wanting. Why do you have to defend
>>>Valve
>>>all the time?
>>
>>I am sorry to hear common sense isn't allowed on Usenet any more. Just
>>KF me and have fun talking to DiF***wit who will happily talk bollocks
>>to you until the cows come home.
>>--
>
>
> Andrew, according to your posts, common sense is not allowed in the German
> Trading Standards department either. One must accept at some point that,
> when everybody disagrees with you it may be for a reason...
>
>

Who is "everybody"? Andrew might well be quite pompous (and, indeed he
has me killfiled for calling him that), but he does actually reason his
arguments and talk commonsense - a rare enough commodity in this time.

 

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Schrodinger wrote:
>
> From my point of view, you do not seem to be accepting a logical and
> reasonable argument already put forward in this NG (okay, ignore the
> ramblings of DiFool) and since confirmed by a serious German state
> institution.
>
I live in Germany and I can assure you that Germans need paperwork to
sign off in order to read paperwork.


It is not a myth.

Even Germans laugh at their own bullshit.

 

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Chris Pound wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:29:14 GMT, "Vince"
> <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>>The user's bought a licence to run the software - they never owned it.
>>
>
> Those licenses mean next to nothing in many countires, especialy
> Europe.

Rubbish. If you buy a license for some business critical SW and resell
it or copy it then you will be prosecuted.

 

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:49:53 +0100, Walter Mitty
<mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


>Rubbish. If you buy a license for some business critical SW and resell
>it or copy it then you will be prosecuted.

Not if I transfer the original physical medium and license.

 

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"Chris Pound" wrote

> "Vince" wrote:

>>Not the UK.

> The UK especially. Read your own consumer protection laws lately? You
> can return any product that doesn't work as advertised, including
> software. Not according to the Mickey Mouse software EULA's though.
> It's BS.

Absolutely correct.

But we were discussing whether a company can sell licences to use a product
and not the software itself.

 

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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 02:34:04 -0500, "The Chronic" <endo@blunt.com>
wrote:

>Requires an internet connection for what? It can be interpreted as
>"internet connection required for multiplayer," since this has always been
>the case with store bought PC games. It does not make the distinction that
>an internet connection is required to start playing single player, nor can
>this be considered common knowledge to the average consumer. If the average
>consumer cannot understand the contract, it is against the law.

Just about every game I can think of specifically _says_ "internet
connection required for multiplayer."

 

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Thusly Chris Pound <Chris@invalid.noemail> Spake Unto All:

>>Not true. The EULA is worthless, but copyright legislation still
>>apply.
>
>The games have copy protection software built in so I can't copy them.
>Next.

What games would that be?
I still, after 20 years of gaming, haven't found a game which couldn't
be copied. I would be very interested in hearing which games you're
talking about.

 

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Thusly Chris Pound <Chris@invalid.noemail> Spake Unto All:

>>Rubbish. If you buy a license for some business critical SW and resell
>>it or copy it then you will be prosecuted.
>
>Not if I transfer the original physical medium and license.

Seriously, do you have any idea what the discussion is about, or what
your argument is?

 

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Thusly "Vince" <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> Spake Unto All:

>But we were discussing whether a company can sell licences to use a product
>and not the software itself.

That is the only way software (or books, or CD's, or DVD's) are EVER
sold. You always buy only a license (and in most cases a physical
medium), you never buy the content.

 

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In article <FmuOd.32432$uL5.3586@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "OldDog" <OldDog@citypound.com> wrote:

>To change subject, I use to enjoy logging on. Reading email, surfing the
>web.... but now, just to get online I need to:
>
>1. Setup a firewall
>2. Anti-virus program running
>3. Don't use IE cause of the holes
>4. Run Spyware program
>5. Disable file sharing
>6. Don't open email attachments from people that you don't know.
>6a. Don't open email attachemtns from people that you do know.
>7. Don't use your email in a newsgroup
>8. Don't click on pop-up
>9. Disable Active Scripting
>10. .....
>
>Madness! I'm mad as heck and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!! 😉

Careful, some here are likely to start accusing you of being paranoid...
perhaps rabidly so... which for an "OldDog" is sure not to end well. ;-)

 

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Chris Pound wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:49:53 +0100, Walter Mitty
> <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Rubbish. If you buy a license for some business critical SW and resell
>>it or copy it then you will be prosecuted.
>
>
> Not if I transfer the original physical medium and license.
>

You really have no clue. I suggest you drop it.

 

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:28:14 +0100, Mean_Chlorine
<mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:


>That is the only way software (or books, or CD's, or DVD's) are EVER
>sold. You always buy only a license (and in most cases a physical
>medium), you never buy the content.

And just as I can resell my books or music cd's I can bloody well sell
my used software too. Let them try me in court if they dare.

 

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:28:13 +0100, Mean_Chlorine
<mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:


>What games would that be?
>I still, after 20 years of gaming, haven't found a game which couldn't
>be copied. I would be very interested in hearing which games you're
>talking about.

Just about all of them. You only get around it by using other software
that circumvents their copy protection but the copy protection is
there so theoretically Joe Blow can't copy the software. That's why
the "can't return software because of copyright laws" falls down on
its face.

 

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"Mean_Chlorine" <mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thusly "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> Spake Unto All:
>
>>Andrew, according to your posts, common sense is not allowed in the German
>>Trading Standards department either. One must accept at some point that,
>>when everybody disagrees with you it may be for a reason...
>
> I'm not sure you, difool/riku, Kroagnon and the German Trading
> Standards Dept (if that is their real name) quite count as
> "everybody".
>

I think, if you add John Lewis to the list, it pretty much wraps it up :/

My view is that the opinion of the German Trading Standards and, by
extension, their legal advisors, carries a lot of weight. As they are also
deciding in favour of the consumer and against Vivendi/Valve (dependant on
which part of the ruling you are talking about) then I would say there
should be a presumption of their rectitude.

 

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"Jeff" <jeff@work.com> wrote in message
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> In article <FmuOd.32432$uL5.3586@fe2.texas.rr.com>, "OldDog"
<OldDog@citypound.com> wrote:
>
> >To change subject, I use to enjoy logging on. Reading email, surfing
the
> >web.... but now, just to get online I need to:
> >
> >1. Setup a firewall
> >2. Anti-virus program running
> >3. Don't use IE cause of the holes
> >4. Run Spyware program
> >5. Disable file sharing
> >6. Don't open email attachments from people that you don't know.
> >6a. Don't open email attachemtns from people that you do know.
> >7. Don't use your email in a newsgroup
> >8. Don't click on pop-up
> >9. Disable Active Scripting
> >10. .....
> >
> >Madness! I'm mad as heck and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!! 😉
>
> Careful, some here are likely to start accusing you of being paranoid...
> perhaps rabidly so... which for an "OldDog" is sure not to end well. ;-)

1. Mad Dog!
2. Bad Dog!
3. Dog with stinky breathe!
4. Dog with fleas!
5. ...

bottom line: it's probably time to take this old dog out into the woods
and put him out of his miseary.

 

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"Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> wrote in message
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> > I'm not sure you, difool/riku, Kroagnon and the German Trading
> > Standards Dept (if that is their real name) quite count as
> > "everybody".
> I think, if you add John Lewis to the list, it pretty much wraps it up :/

Weren't you the one whining about not being able to connect to Steam just
awhile ago? All is forgiven to Valve, eh?

 

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Thusly "Kroagnon" <kroagnon@kroagnon.com> Spake Unto All:

>"Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> wrote in message
>news:qLLOd.1726384$f47.300896@news.easynews.com...
>
>> > I'm not sure you, difool/riku, Kroagnon and the German Trading
>> > Standards Dept (if that is their real name) quite count as
>> > "everybody".
>> I think, if you add John Lewis to the list, it pretty much wraps it up :/
>
>Weren't you the one whining about not being able to connect to Steam just
>awhile ago? All is forgiven to Valve, eh?

<snigger>