How can i shift my PC into a different room? Wired Connection

[dss007]

So the problem is, right now my PC is in the drawing room of my house. The TV is in the same room and so are the family members most of the time. The thing is I like to Game / Work / Watch Youtube etc. on my PC in peace and without any disturbance.

So i am thinking about shifting the computer in a room upstairs. The thing is everything is fine except the internet connection, which you may already know is the heartbeat of most PC's. Right now it is connected with a wired LAN broadband connection. I'm getting 20 Mbps speed right now from my ISP.

The question here is what should i do if i want to shift my computer upstairs. Should i install a wireless router or something to do it or should i call my ISP to come and shift the wired connection upstairs, in my room. For the wireless one i want to know do i need to use a bluetooth stick or something? I am pretty sure that my PC doesn't have any integrated Wireless connection support.

And even if i install the connection and internet modem upstairs, My family needs to use the wifi too, so what can i do like a router downstairs, or what?? I'm pretty confused PLEASE HELP!!

If you have any doubt about this confusing question just ask me in the answer box.

Thank you to anyone who answers in advance

 

[kbarizo93]

Look into a powerline adapter. As long as the electrical in your house is a bit newer, you should get pretty decent speeds, usually faster than wifi. A powerline adapter setup is often cheaper or the same price as wireless networking equipment but is definitely easier to setup.

http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/powerline-networking-what-you-need-to-know-930691

 

[bill001g]

I would be extremely surprised if you do not already have a wifi router.

I would first try a USB wifi dongle. You can likely get any 802.11ac device and it will work with your router. It will drop back to older encoding if your router does not support it. I would also use a short USB cable to extend the wifi away from the case.

If you are lucky it will work well enough for you.

It will cost a little more than a wifi dongle but you could also try powerline networks. The newer AV2 based models work much better in houses that had trouble with av200 and av500.

Now if your house has ethernet jacks in the rooms then you might have other options. It will be expensive to get ethernet installed if you do not have it and moving the router may cause issue for the tv.

 

[dss007]

I would be extremely surprised if you do not already have a wifi router.

I would first try a USB wifi dongle. You can likely get any 802.11ac device and it will work with your router. It will drop back to older encoding if your router does not support it. I would also use a short USB cable to extend the wifi away from the case.

If you are lucky it will work well enough for you.

It will cost a little more than a wifi dongle but you could also try powerline networks. The newer AV2 based models work much better in houses that had trouble with av200 and av500.

Now if your house has ethernet jacks in the rooms then you might have other options. It will be expensive to get ethernet installed if you do not have it and moving the router may cause issue for the tv.

Well I'm not quite sure but what i know about this box is that it is a router but it has support for only one PC i.e. connected by a yellow wire (ethernet wire). But the thing is I use it for my smartphones Wifi also. So i am very certain that it is a router as i can connect with it wireless ly. So what do i do just get a wifi dongle and try it out in the room upstairs or get to go the powerline adapter way coz i think the wifi dongle ain't gonna work out for such a huge difference or is it. It's gonna be like about 15 feets or something. from this room.

And yeah for the TV i dont need any internet as in India here it works through a satellite system. No problem there as no internet is needed.

 

[dss007]

Look into a powerline adapter. As long as the electrical in your house is a bit newer, you should get pretty decent speeds, usually faster than wifi. A powerline adapter setup is often cheaper or the same price as wireless networking equipment but is definitely easier to setup.

http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/powerline-networking-what-you-need-to-know-930691

OK I'll look forward for it as i'm reading the article you gave, Let's see what happens. Thanks Mate!

 

[dss007]

I would be extremely surprised if you do not already have a wifi router.

I would first try a USB wifi dongle. You can likely get any 802.11ac device and it will work with your router. It will drop back to older encoding if your router does not support it. I would also use a short USB cable to extend the wifi away from the case.

If you are lucky it will work well enough for you.

It will cost a little more than a wifi dongle but you could also try powerline networks. The newer AV2 based models work much better in houses that had trouble with av200 and av500.

Now if your house has ethernet jacks in the rooms then you might have other options. It will be expensive to get ethernet installed if you do not have it and moving the router may cause issue for the tv.

What about using this - https://www.amazon.in/Wayona-WYN-12-150Mbps-Wireless/dp/B00M3AXOD0/ref=pd_sim_147_15?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1MPX1AYF2QYV1HF0Z5F2

 

[mercadion]

What kind of gaming do you do? If you need a constant uplink to your games (battlefield, WoW) the powerline option will offer too much interference, your latency will go to hell.

Wireless is certainly an option, however you run the risk of household interference. Big fight, phone rings, again instant high latency, boom your dead.

If your players browser games go wireless. Whole setup for browsing, mild gaming, and chatting for wireless can be done for as cheap as 80$ US for a stable system. All wireless is open to interference though, so if you need that constand download and upload speed you will need to run your cable.

If the modem/router is in a place you dont really want to move it running the cable yourself is really easy. If you dont care where it is have the ISP do it. If you want to run the line yourself while leaving the modem where it is then the easiest way by far is to shoot the cable outside and then back in upstairs in the room you want it in (unless you handy capable in which you already know which power lines to follow to do it in the wall).

Keep in mind whichever way you go, if your "live" gaming then your upload is far more important than your download. So make sure than any wireless connection have full dublex (if they have that setting) and full packet tx open.

 

[bill001g]

I would be extremely surprised if you do not already have a wifi router.

I would first try a USB wifi dongle. You can likely get any 802.11ac device and it will work with your router. It will drop back to older encoding if your router does not support it. I would also use a short USB cable to extend the wifi away from the case.

If you are lucky it will work well enough for you.

It will cost a little more than a wifi dongle but you could also try powerline networks. The newer AV2 based models work much better in houses that had trouble with av200 and av500.

Now if your house has ethernet jacks in the rooms then you might have other options. It will be expensive to get ethernet installed if you do not have it and moving the router may cause issue for the tv.

What about using this - https://www.amazon.in/Wayona-WYN-12-150Mbps-Wireless/dp/B00M3AXOD0/ref=pd_sim_147_15?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1MPX1AYF2QYV1HF0Z5F2

That is not a real good choice for a desktop machine. Those very small device sacrifice things like antenna size and transmit power for portability. The much larger problem is you have a massive metal case on a desktop and those tiny devices almost have their antenna surrounded by metal when you put it in a usb slot. This is where a USB extension cable helps a lot.

WiFi will work ok for most things only online games are greatly affected in those cases you want ethernet. It really depends how hard it is to move the modem and what impact that will have on other device that need internet access.

 

[dss007]

What kind of gaming do you do? If you need a constant uplink to your games (battlefield, WoW) the powerline option will offer too much interference, your latency will go to hell.

Wireless is certainly an option, however you run the risk of household interference. Big fight, phone rings, again instant high latency, boom your dead.

If your players browser games go wireless. Whole setup for browsing, mild gaming, and chatting for wireless can be done for as cheap as 80$ US for a stable system. All wireless is open to interference though, so if you need that constand download and upload speed you will need to run your cable.

If the modem/router is in a place you dont really want to move it running the cable yourself is really easy. If you dont care where it is have the ISP do it. If you want to run the line yourself while leaving the modem where it is then the easiest way by far is to shoot the cable outside and then back in upstairs in the room you want it in (unless you handy capable in which you already know which power lines to follow to do it in the wall).

Keep in mind whichever way you go, if your "live" gaming then your upload is far more important than your download. So make sure than any wireless connection have full dublex (if they have that setting) and full packet tx open.

I don't do hardcore gaming or anything like that, but i'm not ready to sacrifice any internet speed as i need to download games frequently from steam and also upload videos to youtube, so i think that taking the modem / router upstairs is gonna be the best decision but the shortcome is gonna be that i'll not be able to use it here (WiFi) downstairs. I've to find a fix for that. If you can give any suggestion that'll be great 😀

 

[dss007]

I would be extremely surprised if you do not already have a wifi router.

I would first try a USB wifi dongle. You can likely get any 802.11ac device and it will work with your router. It will drop back to older encoding if your router does not support it. I would also use a short USB cable to extend the wifi away from the case.

If you are lucky it will work well enough for you.

It will cost a little more than a wifi dongle but you could also try powerline networks. The newer AV2 based models work much better in houses that had trouble with av200 and av500.

Now if your house has ethernet jacks in the rooms then you might have other options. It will be expensive to get ethernet installed if you do not have it and moving the router may cause issue for the tv.

What about using this - https://www.amazon.in/Wayona-WYN-12-150Mbps-Wireless/dp/B00M3AXOD0/ref=pd_sim_147_15?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1MPX1AYF2QYV1HF0Z5F2

That is not a real good choice for a desktop machine. Those very small device sacrifice things like antenna size and transmit power for portability. The much larger problem is you have a massive metal case on a desktop and those tiny devices almost have their antenna surrounded by metal when you put it in a usb slot. This is where a USB extension cable helps a lot.

WiFi will work ok for most things only online games are greatly affected in those cases you want ethernet. It really depends how hard it is to move the modem and what impact that will have on other device that need internet access.

I want good speed in both rooms, is there any solid alternative which is easy to get started or what complex method can be used for the sake? Please help!!

 

[bill001g]

If you need wifi downstairs I would leave the modem and use powerline to get the signal upstairs. Be careful about really cheap powerline the newer technology works much better. How well it works depends on the electrical wires in your house but in general powerline well works in most houses.

 

[mercadion]

What I would do is run the router up-stairs, and convert the downstairs to wifi. Streaming, surfing, and such are just fine on wifi. Its the gaming and other stuff that may not be. If the router you have is wireless then you can take it upstairs even without an internet connection and see what kind of signal youll get downstairs. The router will still transmit a network. If you have a laptop then you can download a program called NetSpot, or another one called Dumpper...both are free, an they will tell you exactly how strong your wifi is in each room. The signal isnt measured in bars like your computer reads out, it is read in dbi. The closer the number is to 0 the better the signal, so if your 5 feet from the router youll read somewhere between -5 to -10 dbi, anything under -50 dbi is a good connection. Anything under -60 dbi is still useable for most thing including streaming.

If you still need a network card, https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wireless-Adapter-TL-WN722N-Version/dp/B002SZEOLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1514562796&sr=8-3&keywords=n150 is an awesome little card. It offers the ability to upgrade the antennae should you need, and gives good indoor range. I would be very surprised if you needed any stronger.

For reference my desktop is wired, but the entire rest of my house is wireless. I stream from netflix, hbo, hulu, yada yada on multiple devices via wifi. My desktop is wired because I need that constant connection (same as you) and I cannot have any interference, however I have never noticed interference streaming in any other part of the house. Thats because of how streaming technology works, it buffers so that wifi connection drops wont be noticed. Wifi isnt a bad option at all, its just not the best option for all applications. A mix of wired and wireless should get you everything you want.

The reason I really recomend against using powerline technology is the inherant feedback. The powerlines itself give off RF feedback that will degrade your connection 20-30% right off the top with a 10-20% packet loss before it even hits your computer.

 

[bill001g]

The reason I really recomend against using powerline technology is the inherant feedback. The powerlines itself give off RF feedback that will degrade your connection 20-30% right off the top with a 10-20% packet loss before it even hits your computer.

Please post a reference that shows this problem or is this just your personnel experience. 10-20% packet loss is huge and you would see massive complaints by people if this were true. You can ping your router over powerline and see almost no packet loss. 10-20% would be extremely obvious and you would thing any of the review sites would state this problem which I have never seen.

 

[mercadion]

The reason I really recomend against using powerline technology is the inherant feedback. The powerlines itself give off RF feedback that will degrade your connection 20-30% right off the top with a 10-20% packet loss before it even hits your computer.

Please post a reference that shows this problem or is this just your personnel experience. 10-20% packet loss is huge and you would see massive complaints by people if this were true. You can ping your router over powerline and see almost no packet loss. 10-20% would be extremely obvious and you would thing any of the review sites would state this problem which I have never seen.

The connection is rather slow -- 50 Kbps to 350 Kbps.
The performance can be impacted by home power usage.
It can limit the features of your printer.
It only works with Windows-based computers.
It uses large wall devices to access an electrical outlet.
It can only use 110-V standard lines.
It requires that all data be encrypted for a secure network.
Older wiring can affect performance.

Taken directly from distributers site. In the industry it is known as a complete no-no for high-data transmission. There is a reason you will not find this technology in any federal, state, or local municipal facility. We have played with it, it will not stand up for out purposes even for administration use.

You pointed out that the small network adaptors are bunched up to a metal case and creates interference. This tech is for people that have no wifi option either for extreme interferance or long distances. But using your own example, your shoving a data stream into an electronically charged piece of metal with no ground. Your gonna lose a lot...if you didnt 14m wouldnt be its max.

And btw...14 Mbps max when your avg ISP connection in the US is 20-25 Mbps is more than 20-30% degradation, I was being generous.

 

[mercadion]

There is a post I have on this site where Im asking for personal experience with certain wifi equipment. The short run is Im sending wifi about 200ft out to a boat with a n150 reciever. The connection maintains -60dbi almost on the dot and I still can maintain dl speeds of 26-30 Mbps and an upload of over 4. Taking the gamble of the condition of electrical lines, the noise from old breakers, and old outlets out....why cut yourself down to 14Mbps (in a perfect setup, probably closer to 10) when you can receive the max your ISP package provides. Wifi equip is really no more expensive for the avg home setup, and a lot easier to maintain and setup. You also will have no unexpected damage to a wifi network, like power surges or brown outs. This is also assuming powerline will even work for him, as its highly unlikely that the upstairs is on the same break as the downstairs and newer construction inhibits the tech. Jboxes no longer connect to each part of the house, they terminate at the break effectively cutting newer houses (10-20 years old) and updated houses into sections on its power grid that are isolated. You can most likely see as much in your breaker box in your own home. Wifi isnt constrained by where a wire may, or may not run.

Dont get me wrong, powerline tech is great but it highly situational. In 80% of applications wireless, or even bluetooth will out-perform and be the better option. In this case, it may actually be the easier option....except that there are too many unknowns to be recommending a system that has fatal drawbacks in certain applications.

 

[bill001g]

Where do you get the 14mbps....unless you are talking first generation of this stuff. I can't see why you think WiFi is better. When you live near a lot of other people using it you get massive interference from all their wifi.

Try this site they show speeds well over 100mbps
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/powerline/view

I still want you to post your 10-20% packet loss reference unless you just made that up.

 

[mercadion]

Where do you get the 14mbps....unless you are talking first generation of this stuff. I can't see why you think WiFi is better. When you live near a lot of other people using it you get massive interference from all their wifi.

Try this site they show speeds well over 100mbps
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/powerline/view

I still want you to post your 10-20% packet loss reference unless you just made that up.

Readings taking off our own experiences with both Tp-link equipment as well as arris equipment when the dod tasked us to test its viability at our noc facility. 20 years in networking myself, total of around 150 years experience total on the team couldnt get the tech to work anywhere near advertised....and neither could their company reps. All of which led to the dod dropping their contract with those distributors, citing fraud and falsifying advertisement to gain a monetary contract. You can actually read all about it in PC world....june issue I believe it was. Either that or July, was actually kind of a big deal. There was also a fairly large stigma caused over the added costs and equipement to overlay electrical grids onto the powerline network. Same concept as I said in the house application of the breakers stopping the transmission, just on a much larger level.

Now since you seem to think Im making this up, yet your arguments to the benefit are lacking, all you need to do is search issues with powerline tech. Many sites, including reviews, complain of it.

Also, so that you might understand why you dont see any loss when you ping your router. Powerline links use error correction protocols to (for lack of better words) fill in, or fix errors such as packet loss. Its becoming more popular to include such protocols in new routing tech. Unless you can get to the debug files, you wont see the packet loss as for all intensive purpose your router doesnt know there is any. Cisco was the first to implement this, as a means for the system to auto-correct issues that dont require a tech since most "packets" have "filler" information that isnt necessary its possible for that lost information to be filled back in without loss of information. Arris is actually notorious for hiding this, requiring the user to get into the admin core of the software to even see such pauses. This is also why more and more ISPs are going to Arris routers/modems as their stock inventory. Basically, in short when your ping takes 7ms instead of the normal 2...its being filled in. But heres the catch, ping an outside site with a continuous ping. Yahoo is popular for this, your returns will take increasingly longer the more packet loss you have, even with it reporting 0 loss. You can confirm this by turning around and running a speed test in the same region as the site your pinging an comparing latency. Your speed test latency wont add up to the pings delay. 9 times out of 10 if you use linux to read your transmission you will actually see the packet loss. Youll also see it if you use torrent groups. When the download finishes itll take longer for the torrent to finalize as its going back through to pick up what information dropped of when it does its batch scan.

Heres another trick for you, we figured this out when neither us nor the reps could make it work acceptably. Take an old battery powered FM radio and hold it up to your power line. Youll get a lil static but not much. Take that same radio and hold it up to a powerline transmitting data from Powerline tech and it screeches like a banshee. What causes packet loss? Magnetic interferance. What causes FM waves to distort? Magnetic interferance. Weve tested the tech to death, we know the limitations well.

As I said, great tech....to many pitfalls. The biggest being situational application. But frankly, ask anyone that has worked networking. Specifically backbone management or installation and youll get the same answer from all over them. Wifi>powerline. The reasons being numerous, and extremely technical. Most of it has to do with its limitation, but much of it has to do with its security. Now I can argue with you all day, and explain why you see one thing, or dont run into this problem....but frankly it sounds like you should do a bit more reading on how routing protocols, networking layers, and media equipment work. Error correction has been around for quite a few years now, and anyone in the networking field that would know enough to be able to recommend one tech vs another would know about these things and what it restricts.

Or even better, if you do actually know enough about networking to make recommendation perform a ddos attack on your router while performing and active continual ping. Youll have your proof of both error correction, as well as packet loss right there.

 

[bill001g]

I don't really care what dod said the technology is not really meant for commercial use it is meant for home use. I would be surprised at all if it worked on 3 phase commercial power installations. The questions on this forum are generally for home installations so you need to answer based on that and not on a commercial installation.

Still you are the one who claimed 10-20% packet loss and speeds of only 14mbps but it seems you can't actually prove those numbers so it is just your personal experience which means little.

 

[dss007]

What I would do is run the router up-stairs, and convert the downstairs to wifi. Streaming, surfing, and such are just fine on wifi. Its the gaming and other stuff that may not be. If the router you have is wireless then you can take it upstairs even without an internet connection and see what kind of signal youll get downstairs. The router will still transmit a network. If you have a laptop then you can download a program called NetSpot, or another one called Dumpper...both are free, an they will tell you exactly how strong your wifi is in each room. The signal isnt measured in bars like your computer reads out, it is read in dbi. The closer the number is to 0 the better the signal, so if your 5 feet from the router youll read somewhere between -5 to -10 dbi, anything under -50 dbi is a good connection. Anything under -60 dbi is still useable for most thing including streaming.

If you still need a network card, https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wireless-Adapter-TL-WN722N-Version/dp/B002SZEOLG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1514562796&sr=8-3&keywords=n150 is an awesome little card. It offers the ability to upgrade the antennae should you need, and gives good indoor range. I would be very surprised if you needed any stronger.

For reference my desktop is wired, but the entire rest of my house is wireless. I stream from netflix, hbo, hulu, yada yada on multiple devices via wifi. My desktop is wired because I need that constant connection (same as you) and I cannot have any interference, however I have never noticed interference streaming in any other part of the house. Thats because of how streaming technology works, it buffers so that wifi connection drops wont be noticed. Wifi isnt a bad option at all, its just not the best option for all applications. A mix of wired and wireless should get you everything you want.

The reason I really recomend against using powerline technology is the inherant feedback. The powerlines itself give off RF feedback that will degrade your connection 20-30% right off the top with a 10-20% packet loss before it even hits your computer.

How can i convert the room downstairs to use WiFi I don't get that. Can you please explain..

 

[dss007]

If you need wifi downstairs I would leave the modem and use powerline to get the signal upstairs. Be careful about really cheap powerline the newer technology works much better. How well it works depends on the electrical wires in your house but in general powerline well works in most houses.

So what i have to do is just buy the Power line adapter? and i can set it up by myself or i'll need some mechanic assistance or something?? and also it's expensive AF. On Amazon India it's of like 60$ is it priced the same in US?? btw the one i'm checking is from Aztech and the TP Link one is like 100$ Really not affordable at this point :/

 

[bill001g]

If you need wifi downstairs I would leave the modem and use powerline to get the signal upstairs. Be careful about really cheap powerline the newer technology works much better. How well it works depends on the electrical wires in your house but in general powerline well works in most houses.

So what i have to do is just buy the Power line adapter? and i can set it up by myself or i'll need some mechanic assistance or something?? and also it's expensive AF. On Amazon India it's of like 60$ is it priced the same in US?? btw the one i'm checking is from Aztech and the TP Link one is like 100$ Really not affordable at this point :/

It is trivial to make them work you plug one in a electrical outlet by your router and connect a ethernet cable to it. You plug the second into a outlet in the room upstairs and hook your pc to it via ethernet. It should just work. There is not much else you can do even if you wanted to. You can change the password but the units are paired with a unique password from the factory.

I sometimes forget the how little people in india make, $60 is not a huge amount of money for most people in the EU or USA. Many times you can get tplink av-1200 units for $75 and these are some of the best rated. There are other brands like tendnet that are cheaper but you will still pay $50 for av2 ones.

 

[dss007]

If you need wifi downstairs I would leave the modem and use powerline to get the signal upstairs. Be careful about really cheap powerline the newer technology works much better. How well it works depends on the electrical wires in your house but in general powerline well works in most houses.

So what i have to do is just buy the Power line adapter? and i can set it up by myself or i'll need some mechanic assistance or something?? and also it's expensive AF. On Amazon India it's of like 60$ is it priced the same in US?? btw the one i'm checking is from Aztech and the TP Link one is like 100$ Really not affordable at this point :/

It is trivial to make them work you plug one in a electrical outlet by your router and connect a ethernet cable to it. You plug the second into a outlet in the room upstairs and hook your pc to it via ethernet. It should just work. There is not much else you can do even if you wanted to. You can change the password but the units are paired with a unique password from the factory.

I sometimes forget the how little people in india make, $60 is not a huge amount of money for most people in the EU or USA. Many times you can get tplink av-1200 units for $75 and these are some of the best rated. There are other brands like tendnet that are cheaper but you will still pay $50 for av2 ones.

I totally got what you are trying to say, well thank you very much for helping me out...

And 60$ wouldn't have been a huge amount if i was not a 17 years old, and off course i can ask my dad and he will definitely get me one. lol you thought we indians make less money, but the thing is here every electric appliance is raised to a lot more than in US. Like the adapter that cost $50 in US here it of like $125 or something. That's a topic for another day btw.