How do I convince my parents to get me a gaming pc?

[dnyslurpex]

I'm 13, almost 14 and I'm not a hardcore gamer, I just want a decent laptop/pc that can run well for games.

So currently I have this laptop

http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/Lenovo-IdeaPad-510S-14IKB/p/88IP50S0760

I got it earlier this year without knowing at all about computers - only recognizing the i5 processor being decent. My mom and I fell into the trap of buying this thing.

So I just play Minecraft and Rocket League, I guess. Getting around 100 fps on MC which I'm okay with. As soon as I got Rocket League, and I ran it, it played so bad. Around 20 fps on high performance with all other settings unchecked. Ever since then, I've researched lots of stuff about computer parts and components, discovering that my Intel HD graphics 620 is bad for gaming.

I've told my parents about how I'm very unhappy about the price that my mom got it for at retail, $599. So I wanted to show them the Dell Inspiron 15 7000 (2017) but before I could get to that, they got on to me about how they didn't care about specs and stuff, as long as it worked, and it was 64-bit. (I laughed when they said that.) When I tried to tell them, they kept saying "Kid I don't care about what's inside it, as long as it works it's okay. Your not getting another computer." I had this other cheap Lenovo laptop when I was younger and my brother broke it. Then I got the cheapest Dell Inspiron and my sister stepped on it when I let her use it. Then this one.

My friends have it so good - they've got Xbox Ones, Razer laptops and Omens that I could never get close to buying or getting as a gift. It would be great if I could run games they play so I could be more close to them. When all my family runs on is just a bunch of cheap Lenovo laptops, except my mom's i7 Dell laptop she got from work, that she doesn't even know is good. The only other video game related things in our house is a Wii, Wii U that I don't even play anymore and my brutally broken 3DS XL. Whenever I mention something video game-related thing that I want to do or get, it's always NO.

I have a very good social life and many friends, good grades (mostly A's, rare chance for a B+), and I'm eating healthy. No sports, but I get some exercise outside or inside about 1-2 hours a day. If my dad tells me to any yard work, I'll always do it free. Unlike my friends who get paid to do yard work, but that doesn't make it normal. Whenever I play a game on my laptop, my parents assume that I've been playing all day like I did when I was younger on our Wii. But I'm only playing for max 3 hours a day.

I suggested building a PC, but my dad's all like "Well you have to buy the processor, video card, memory, storage and so many more parts" but that's not a "NO" so I feel better about doing that. Me and my brother might cooperate to get enough money while also hoping for parts on Christmas and share the computer. When I have it built, I will definitely look in to more games to play.

Now I already have a TV to use as a monitor (60hz, 1080p), my mom got it in 2014 but we never use it. Only for when company comes over, we let them borrow it for their stay but it's fine if I can't use it for a bit.

But that doesn't mean it's going to happen, I still need to convince. Also, maybe a pc build under $700 that can run Rocket League well in high settings. Preferably a PC with Nvidia GeForce GTX 800 or better.

 

[theiDunnotouch]

You don't just "ask" for a PC, parents must be treated like a piece of wood: it's spikey, splintery and annoying. Your job is to hone, sand and transform it.
You've made a fatal mistake buying that laptop, now your parents won't want to even hear about buying a PC. Give yourself a goal: tell your parents something about computers every day, show them that you have an interest, that your are learning, watch videos on how to build PCs, show them the videos, get them involved into what may turn into a hobby, offer to sell or exchange the laptop for extra money for the gaming PC.
Honestly, this comes down to you and how you handle this, if I were your parents I'd also say "no" because no parent I know would ever be pleased to hear "Mom, Dad, I want a gaming PC to play Minecraft and Rocket League". You said you laughed when they said that it's 64 Bit, again another terrible mistake. Don't just laugh and dismiss what they say.

You have to learn how to talk to them, be indirect in your requests, this process might take months, even years, but if you truly want a PC then you should be ready to accept this

 

[dnyslurpex]

You don't just "ask" for a PC, parents must be treated like a piece of wood: it's spikey, splintery and annoying. Your job is to hone, sand and transform it.
You've made a fatal mistake buying that laptop, now your parents won't want to even hear about buying a PC. Give yourself a goal: tell your parents something about computers every day, show them that you have an interest, that your are learning, watch videos on how to build PCs, show them the videos, get them involved into what may turn into a hobby, offer to sell or exchange the laptop for extra money for the gaming PC.
Honestly, this comes down to you and how you handle this, if I were your parents I'd also say "no" because no parent I know would ever be pleased to hear "Mom, Dad, I want a gaming PC to play Minecraft and Rocket League". You said you laughed when they said that it's 64 Bit, again another terrible mistake. Don't just laugh and dismiss what they say.

You have to learn how to talk to them, be indirect in your requests, this process might take months, even years, but if you truly want a PC then you should be ready to accept this

Thanks for the response, in fact I just made a deal with my dad. I told him how it would be a fun and educational project to work on. I told him that I'd appreciate it so much because I built it myself, and he said he would buy some of the parts for it. As long as I can maintain my A's in school, he will contribute towards buying parts. I have my $750 build on PCPP, it was so exciting to hear that he would rather have it $1000. He also said he wanted it to look nice, rather than everything in a cheap ugly case. I didn't mention gaming at all when I told him, and the parts I chose don't have "Gaming" in the title. But I'm hoping to try out Cinema 4D and FL Studio with it. (I already have FL Studio Fruity Edition.)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwVyCy

I did go for some cheaper parts except the motherboard, cpu and gpu, hopefully that build is ok.

 

[theiDunnotouch]

Get a better case. Seriously.

You will regret not buying a decent case, trust me. Look for something made a brand name, something like a Corsair 100R, 200R or an NZXT S340, the difference will be night and day.
Try to shoot for dual channel RAM, if you do intend to use the programs you mentioned I'd advise getting 16GB of RAM, this isn't a priority and don't skimp on other parts just to get 16 gigs.
A 500W quality PSU will be more than enough, get 550 if you're paranoid
The stock cooler is decent for a non overclockable CPU, save the 30 bucks for something else (a better case for example) and then upgrade your cooler later on should there be a real need.
Should you insist on an aftermarket cooler try to get a tower style cooler, the downdraft coolers (like the one in your parts list) are a bit louder and don't really make sense in applications where space is not a limiting factor.
The MSI mobo is kinda meh... look for something from Asus or Gigabyte, though this is more based on my personal opinon.

 

[dnyslurpex]

Get a better case. Seriously.

You will regret not buying a decent case, trust me. Look for something made a brand name, something like a Corsair 100R, 200R or an NZXT S340, the difference will be night and day.
Try to shoot for dual channel RAM, if you do intend to use the programs you mentioned I'd advise getting 16GB of RAM, this isn't a priority and don't skimp on other parts just to get 16 gigs.
A 500W quality PSU will be more than enough, get 550 if you're paranoid
The stock cooler is decent for a non overclockable CPU, save the 30 bucks for something else (a better case for example) and then upgrade your cooler later on should there be a real need.
Should you insist on an aftermarket cooler try to get a tower style cooler, the downdraft coolers (like the one in your parts list) are a bit louder and don't really make sense in applications where space is not a limiting factor.
The MSI mobo is kinda meh... look for something from Asus or Gigabyte, though this is more based on my personal opinon.

Looking for another good case. I'll get 16GB of RAM I guess, but i'll see what this cooler can do. I only chose the MSI mobo because I'm trying to avoid mobos with "GAMING" in the title so my dad doesn't think I'm building a gaming pc, which i'm not really doing. But it will definitely be able to run games in high quality with at least 60+ fps.

 

[theiDunnotouch]

Hold your horses there.
All titles high quality 60+ fps and gtx 1050 don't go well with eachother.
We're still talking about an entry level card here, don't have such high expectations, honestly I'd try and find a good deal for a 1060.
What I'd personally do is build the PC now and wait until the release of the new GPUs in the Fall. You should be able to get some decent deals on gtx 1060s or even 1070s which offer more fps per dollar.

 

[dnyslurpex]

Hold your horses there.
All titles high quality 60+ fps and gtx 1050 don't go well with eachother.
We're still talking about an entry level card here, don't have such high expectations, honestly I'd try and find a good deal for a 1060.
What I'd personally do is build the PC now and wait until the release of the new GPUs in the Fall. You should be able to get some decent deals on gtx 1060s or even 1070s which offer more fps per dollar.

I will hope to start buying and building next year so i'll check them out. Also my bad, not all titles, just somewhat demanding titles. The most demanding game I play is Rocket League anyways. If the price drops for 1060s but not the 1050 i'm with right now, i'll check it out, but if prices for 1050 and 1060 drop, i'll be sticking with 1050 because I'm not going to be a hardcore gamer on this pc. This is my money I'm earning and some of my dads, I don't mean to get better things that are on my build that are already decent. In fact, I care about the GPU most in this build.