Question How to check test a old used desktop PC if misued overused mining cryptography or cryptocurrency softwares?

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I am planning to purchase a old used ryzen 7 3700x PC for video editing rendering the configuration is as follows

Ryzen 7 3700x
X470 MSI gaming motherboard
16Gb Gskill ram
Gigabyte Rtx 2080ti graphic card
500gb samsung 979 evo plus m.2 drive
1tb WD HDD

I founded it online and seller claims it has been used fro 3 months and uprise that he is urgent nned if money and selling for Rs 30k to 40k the deal price is good and he says he have recipts and all parts warannry left to and I am surprised us selling it very cheaper price and qooried if uta not problematic or been muused or used for mining

As the seller is ready to share check and give any benchmark test reports.

So I want to cross check if its not been overused overclocked overheated or used for cryptocurrency or mining or any illegal purpose.

Its must be he must have uninstalled the software's games whatever he used...is there any way ti check the CPU GPU life and health

Can we check the PC for how many times. Uta gave overheating eror in bios or windows events it blue aecreen error files.


Can we check the PC if its have any way if any mininig bitcoins or cryptocurrency software's in windows s registory or inf files.

Can we check the uptime if the PC and number of hours CPU or GPU is overused overclocked or overheated
 
So I want to cross check if its not been overused overclocked overheated or used for cryptocurrency or mining or any illegal purpose.

Its must be he must have uninstalled the software's games whatever he used...is there any way ti check the CPU GPU life and health

Can we check the PC for how many times. Uta gave overheating eror in bios or windows events it blue aecreen error files.


Can we check the PC if its have any way if any mininig bitcoins or cryptocurrency software's in windows s registory or inf files.

Can we check the uptime if the PC and number of hours CPU or GPU is overused overclocked or overheated

If he wipes the hard drive and reinstalls Windows there is 0 manner to check most of those things. There is no CPU or GPU health monitor, hour tracking, etc.

Even if he doesn't short of finding mining software on the system, or seeing that the system has been overclocked and is unstable, there is no way to know.

Run 3DMark and PCMark and make sure it matches the averages for that system and thats about all you can do.
 
Used = no warranty except certain vendors might cover 2nd party ig the first party registered the component.

And then there's windows registration to contend with as it'll be under the prior owners name.

Ask owner to video it working, or go see got yourself. Other than that, it's used so you take your chances. After 3 months he didn't mine much or enough to do any real harm.
 
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@Rogue Leader firstly aI thank you for your precious time and estemmed advice opinion and help. I am highly oblidged grateful to you for sharing your knowlesge and opinions.


If he wipes the hard drive and reinstalls Windows there is 0 manner to check most of those things. There is no CPU or GPU health monitor, hour tracking, etc.

Even if he doesn't short of finding mining software on the system, or seeing that the system has been overclocked and is unstable, there is no way to know.

Run 3DMark and PCMark and make sure it matches the averages for that system and thats about all you can do.

@Rogue Leader bro I have asked the seller for systeminfo and cpuz gpuz infirmation for specification checking and syateminfo shows 4 months date if windows installed and update so it means the user have not firmated the PC ..I mean to say he may have unistalled or deleted some working files as many users at not aware of formating or wiping.

So if we assume the seller have not wipped updated windows 10 or formatted windows then how can I personally or remotely check test any commands or software's tools to check

1. Presence of Mining softwares folders it files in temp files, program files,inf files, it registry entries, or any windows events, or any windows error entries do the mining software's leave any after marks if unistalled (not wiped cleaned or formatted)

2. How can I check the uptime of pc ie. no. Of hours PC was working switched power on in windows through power on disk (defraggler) or PC uptime command

3. How to check if CPU GPU RAM overclocked overheated or overused or overloaded shutdown throttled. through hwinfo logs......or windows events logs....windows error logs....or bsod bluenscreen error logs.......bios events logs or any windows registry error enetries
 
1. There probably is not any such mining software present, it should have been fully deleted as the files you are referring to could contain personal information such as password history, banking information etc. Only a complete and ignorant fool would ever leave such on a drive for sale.

2. You can't. There won't be accurate logs of uptime as you can assume at some point the pc was shutdown and the relevant data removed. Even if you did somehow manage to find uptime, that's no guarantee of any use, my personal pc has been actively On for 24/7/365 for the last 7 years, and never even touched mining.

3. Nope. That information does not exist. It's not collected or logged. There is no such record of any voltages or temps of the card and such things as registry errors are common place to every pc. It's Windows 10. It has errors. Constantly.

It's a personal pc. It's not a Russian Government owned pc where every keystroke and file folder is scrutinized by the Spetznaz Secret Police.

While I can applaud your paranoia to some extent, it is a used item and governed by the rule of Buyer Beware, but your deep rooted concerns over whether the pc was used for mining or not are baseless assumptions. Miners undervolt gpus to reduce stress and heat, they do not overclock. There's no need to. A mining rig is based on gpu computational power not graphics output power so much of the card goes relatively unused. It could have seen 3 months of continuous usage and not undergone the stresses involved with a month and 1/2 of heavy gaming.

There's only One thing you need to know, does it work? Everything else is a Want to know, and you have no proof of anything. You don't need to know the reason for sale, that's private and personal information the seller doesn't need to divulge. You don't need to know any usage or OC etc, even if you'd like or want to know, there's no proof other than the sellers word. There's K class cpus for sale all over the internet, many claiming to never have been overclocked. Flat faced lies mostly, but you are not the Police or CIA and must take the statements at face value.

The choice to buy or walk is yours, the choice to lie or tell the truth is his.
 
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While I can applaud your paranoia to some extent, it is a used item and governed by the rule of Buyer Beware, but your deep rooted concerns over whether the pc was used for mining or not are baseless assumptions. Miners undervolt gpus to reduce stress and heat, they do not overclock. There's no need to. A mining rig is based on gpu computational power not graphics output power so much of the card goes relatively unused. It could have seen 3 months of continuous usage and not undergone the stresses involved with a month and 1/2 of heavy gaming.

While competent miners don't overclock, you should know by this long around here that there are many who are...let's just say, less so!
 
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This is basically the same as your previous threads on this:




What different information do you expect to get from the same question?
 
@Karadjgne bro thank you lots for clearing my doubts and applauding.. ROFL and thanks for your precious time esteemed words and your advice's and opinions . I am highly obliged for your right guidence and sharing your experience and knowledge

While I can applaud your paranoia to some extent, it is a used item and governed by the rule of Buyer Beware, but your deep rooted concerns over whether the pc was used for mining or not are baseless assumptions. Miners undervolt gpus to reduce stress and heat, they do not overclock. There's no need to. A mining rig is based on gpu computational power not graphics output power so much of the card goes relatively unused. It could have seen 3 months of continuous usage and not undergone the stresses involved with a month and 1/2 of heavy gaming.

@Karadjgne bro loved your comment for applauding my paranoia for mining and thankful for applauding my concerns .... I think as all alone the price of new GPU rtx 2080ti is approx Rs 100k ($1370) to Rs 130k ($1783) and the desktop PC with CPU RAM HDD Cabinet SMPS selling is Rs 40k ($548) too less so i want to cross check desktop PC component CPU GPU RAM before purchasing as everyyone is careful and does as if u buy u guyz will to confirm by visit or by tests.. Before purchasing a bike or car u to gets the machine Details kilometers and usage before purchasing...


acutuallly just want to correct understandings of my questions that I want to check test various scenarios of components usage and life health which CPU RAM GPU HDD ..that is if they have been overcloked or overused or overheated for 3-4 months sellers claims or some failure or manufacturing defects in components. I know miners don't overclocked and they use GPU for cryptology mathematical higher matrix calculations. So I want to check if GPU is used for any Mining....if not the have CPU GPU or RAM have been overclocked overheated by more voltage settings through which CPU ram or GPU has been stressely tortured and used badly and resulting in degrading performance.

Q1. Presence of Mining softwares folders it files in temp files, program files,inf files, it registry entries, or any windows events, or any windows error entries do the mining software's leave any after marks if unistalled (not wiped cleaned or formatted
There probably is not any such mining software present, it should have been fully deleted as the files you are referring to could contain personal information such as password history, banking information etc. Only a complete and ignorant fool would ever leave such on a drive for sale.

@Karadjgne bro as GPU graphic card don't save any info in its chip so we can retrieve and derive information's of its overuage or bad usage as Gigabyte asus msi Zotac evga companies rejects warranties policies of GPU if its used for mining or fried burnt damaged due to overheating..so I want to trace if the PC is used ever in 3-4 months of mining bitcoins softwares
I know the seller must have unistalled them before selling the softwares.

As whenever we install any software in windows it unpack uncompress files in windows temp folder and create a folder in program files and some entries of settings in registry or windows inf folders or DLL files folders

Now as I googled and finded name of some mining software for example CGMiner. ...BFGMiner. ...EasyMiner. ...BitMinter. .BTCMiner. ..DiabloMiner. ...MultiMiner. ...Awesome Miner...if u install it will create a folder in program files and entry in registry or files in profiles temp folder or fwindiws temp folder.

So if the seller unistalled the original softwares them generally uninstallers if available with software's delete files and leave some setting files in program files folder or in user temp folder or in windows temp folder to any registry entries and they sometime are not deleted cleared by uninstallers.

So I want to trace such information from the PC temp files..

@Karadjgne bro the passwords of banks and websites are saved in chrome or Firefox or browsers profile folders files in encrypted form and I am not interested in such information's and windows network or domain passwords are saved in SAM files and any passwords is not saved in program files or temp or inf folders.


Q2. How can I check the uptime of pc ie. no. Of hours PC was working switched power on in windows through power on disk (defraggler) or PC uptime command

2. You can't. There won't be accurate logs of uptime as you can assume at some point the pc was shutdown and the relevant data removed. Even if you did somehow manage to find uptime, that's no guarantee of any use, my personal pc has been actively On for 24/7/365 for the last 7 years, and never even touched mining.

@Karadgjne bro as u said quoted "It could have seen 3 months of continuous usage and not undergone the stresses involved with a month and 1/2 of heavy gaming." That is the reason for asking the uptime of the PC. I need a approx idea that PC is used or not overused that is 3monthsx 30daysx 24 hours and for what purpose gaming or rendering was used for.

I have googled founded before for
The uptime usage of PC desktop and need your experienced views advice and comments for findings listed below.

Findings 1

If you are useing a Windows machine uptime.exe will do what you want. Download it here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/232243

Drag the uptime exe into a cmd promt and use the /s. it will give results like this:

Since 6/29/2010:

System Availability: 56.4610%
Total Uptime: 16d 7h:18m:24s
Total Downtime: 12d 13h:44m:59s
Total Reboots: 14
Mean Time Between Reboots: 2.06 days
Total Bluescreens: 0

Findings 2

You can use a software like CrystalDiskInfo to get the "Power on hours" of the hard drive.

Just keep in mind that the HDD may have been replaced and thus be newer than the PC.

Findings 3

If the computer has a computer which has been used from scratch with the computer you can check the hours used on the monitor with the ddcutil command. first you need to find if the monitor has that capability by the command

sudo ddcutil capabilities
if it has it will be something like Feature 0C (display usage time) and you could get the information by the command

sudo ddcutil getvcp 0C
and it will tell you how many hours it has been on. getvcp is used for getting info from the computer. you can also do some cool stuff with ddcutil like setting the brightness and so on without touching the monitor.

Findings 3

To answer your question, I don’t know of any way to use Windows itself to determine the total uptime of a computer, but I do know of a way to get a fairly accurate estimate:

1- If you don’t have it on your system already, download the popular disk defragging utility Defraggler from this page and install it.

2 – Load the program and click the Health tab (you’ll find it near the middle of the program window).

3 – In the box on the right, look for the entry labeled Power-On Hours (POH). The time listed there reflects how many hours the hard drive has been powered up since day one.

While the Power-On time for the hard drive won’t match the number of hours the entire PC has been powered up exactly, it’ll probably be just about the most accurate estimate you’re going to be able to get. I hope this helps!





Q3. How to check if CPU GPU RAM overclocked overheated or overused or overloaded shutdown throttled. through hwinfo logs......or windows events logs....windows error logs....or bsod bluenscreen error logs.......bios events logs or any windows registry error enetries


3. Nope. That information does not exist. It's not collected or logged. There is no such record of any voltages or temps of the card and such things as registry errors are common place to every pc. It's Windows 10. It has errors. Constantly.

@Karadjgine the reason for this question is to check CPU GPU Ram if overclocked. As I am not much familiar with iverclcoking but know that overclcoking is done by BIOS setting by increasing voltage currents on CPU RAM GPU or through over clocking utility softwares of manufacturers like for CPU AMD overdrive or AMD ryzen Master utility or intel extreme utility....

For GPU and CPU motherboard manufactures software utility are MSI afterburner or EVGA precision...gigabyte Arous engine Asus AI over clocking

Now my question is when someone anyone whoever have ever overclocked through software's tools must have installed the software's for overcooking and should always be concerned for temperature and must have tools installed in the PC for monitoring temperature through sensors via the software tools like Msi afterburner or windows hwinfo then wehenevee when someone monitors then the tools like afterburner or hwinfo must have recorded or logged the temp monitored.




There are two different log files that can be generated.
One is the HWiNFO Report File, which can be created from the main HWiNFO screen with hardware inventory and the "Log all values for Report" setting determines if sensor values will be included in the report too. This is not available in Sensor-only mode, as in this mode the main hardware inventory and respective windows are not available.

Third party hwinfo logger

https://www.hwinfo.com/files/GenericLogViewer/GenericLogViewer_v3.2.zip

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-LogViewer-for-HWINFO-is-available

The other one is the sensor logfile, which contains only sensor data. This can be created from the main sensors window (button at bottom of the window) or using a keyboard shortcut.


If some how by overcooking the PC if overheated or given any error then the error is displayed either in the bios or have throttled the PC or improper shutdown or blue screen BsoD errors..and windows errors is recorded in windows events. ....
And bios errors in bios events


The google searched images snapshot of bios events are here for example for you all




https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19121-01/sf.x4200/819-3284-17/819-3284-17PostCodes.html


BIOS_X4270_view_event_log.jpg



Event ID 6008 entries indicate that there was an unexpected shutdown. Critical thermal event indicates that the problem is related to one of your hardware components not functioning properly that is triggering the computer to shut down. Check if your CPU is overheating.



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As to brief the over clocking or oveheating or cpu fan errors or high temp errors gives errors in bios POST and can be founded in bios events which should be saved in CMOS but don't know if all motherboards have bios events and does log can be viewed saved captured from windows or bios itself.

Secondly if while working over clocking is done by windows software utility or overheating caused in windows then windows throttling or unexpected shutdown or blue screen errors arenlogged and we can derive from.number of times the errors or events I'd recorded



There's only One thing you need to know, does it work? Everything else is a Want to know, and you have no proof of anything. You don't need to know the reason for sale, that's private and personal information the seller doesn't need to divulge. You don't need to know any usage or OC etc, even if you'd like or want to know, there's no proof other than the sellers word. There's K class cpus for sale all over the internet, many claiming to never have been overclocked. Flat faced lies mostly, but you are not the Police or CIA and must take the statements at face value.

@Karadjgine bro yes I liked this comment that we need to know that the part is working and not and we are no one to judge the reason of sale. Yes don't want to check reason if sale....I want to check weather the second hand PC desktop components I am purchasing is valid and didn't been misused orniveused or overheated which resulted in degrading the performance later....


For checking there are many tools to benchmark synthetic and stress tools like blender handbrake like cpuid cpuz aid64 cinebench prime 95 for testing CPU and and afterburner interburn load tracer to check and trace but the problem.is that it's to test for hours in someone others house and to test many tools for hours fornstraaing and recording..whichni can test after giving some token money to seller and paying the remaining or return later.. But. Yes 1 two tests can be possible.



Run 3DMark and PCMark and make sure it matches the averages for that system and thats about all you can do.


@Rougue leader as recommended for 3Dmark and PC mark but it gives total. Score and compare from.same score but can't give individual components CPU GPU RAM benchmark tools....is any single software tool available website which can benchamark can benchmark and stress test the CPU GPU RAM and health test with one or two utility which I can compare and find that products are not degraded performance or any faulty products
 
So if the seller unistalled the original softwares them generally uninstallers if available with software's delete files and leave some setting files in program files folder or in user temp folder or in windows temp folder to any registry entries and they sometime are not deleted cleared by uninstallers.
The seller would have done a full wipe and reinstall of an operating system.

Nothing will remain of the previous install. No temp files, no left over folders, no Registry entries.
Nothing.

This has been communicated to you before.
 
@Karadjgne bro loved your comment for applauding my paranoia for mining and thankful for applauding my concerns .... I think as all alone the price of new GPU rtx 2080ti is approx Rs 100k ($1370) to Rs 130k ($1783) and the desktop PC with CPU RAM HDD Cabinet SMPS selling is Rs 40k ($548) too less so i want to cross check desktop PC component CPU GPU RAM before purchasing as everyyone is careful and does as if u buy u guyz will to confirm by visit or by tests.. Before purchasing a bike or car u to gets the machine Details kilometers and usage before purchasing...
You should worry less about if the system has been misused and more about being beaten up and your money stolen if this is a scam.
Basically if the CPU can do heavy workloads with low Vcore that's all you need to know because then the CPU is in good condition and has not degraded, I would guess it;s the same for GPU and mem.
 
What different information do you expect to get from the same question?

@USAFRet bro good day... Love to see you again and thankful and grateful to you that you have replied to my every post questions and at last I am laughing smiling that you caught me again asking the question. Still love to see your concern and help..

@USAFRet bro i will be true and honest to you yes I have asked the same questions in different ways . in different toms hardware forums group..in hope to get some experts advice may be some one have experience or can give me some inputs ideas for the solutions so that incan derive some information's.

USAFret secondly as people in tomshardware forum are so cute and lively and caring concerned in giving advice opinions they forgets the original questioned...and raise more questions for purposes and cause as may be their curocity....and as per their viewpoint they suggest me to leave my hunt and purpose and find something else....and I always think if some problen exists then solutions are there to...

So answer to your question What different information do you expect to get from the same question?

I posted this question In tomshardware forum system group as I thought that if some expert in this group can tell me how to get event I'd for overheating over clocking or BsoD or blue screen logs...as in other questions I asked in CPU or GPU group people stucked and refused that in CPU or GPU such info is not saved and for PC it checking it will be hard
 
The seller would have done a full wipe and reinstall of an operating system.

Nothing will remain of the previous install. No temp files, no left over folders, no Registry entries.
Nothing.

This has been communicated to you before.


@USAFRet bro thanks again for your time it pinion advice highly obliged thankful for your concern.....

Yes there is a 95% assumption chances that PC is formated or wiped or erase.... then we can find it with systeminfo the installation date...and if the deleted all info it means he is erasing and hiding .

And there is a chance may be 5% chances that its not formated...and it will be luck for me...and positivity if it gives some results its will be success and if not work then option if stress test is there....
 
And there is a chance may be 5% chances that its not formated...and it will be luck for me...and positivity if it gives some results its will be success and if not work then option if stress test is there....
If the seller is incompetent enough to sell you a whole working PC without a full wipe and reinstall, and leaving behind traces of bank accounts, mining wallets, passwords, etc....what else is he incompetent with?
(or worse, a trojan/keylogger purposely installed to gather YOUR data)

Do you really want to spend money on that hardware?
 
You should worry less about if the system has been misused and more about being beaten up and your money stolen if this is a scam.

@TerryLaze bro thanks for your concern and advice and opinion yes I am trying to be cautious if it's not any scam thats why I want to test verify then words if seller by testing the products existence and usage

Secondly the site i am purchasing is giving payment security as they holds the payments till the buyer verify test the product used 2nd hand products. Hope it works
 
Regarding a used CPU and GPU, you seek to know:
  • If they have been used for mining
  • If they have been overheated
  • How long they have been in use (Hours, days, years)
  • Have I forgotten anything?

That information is not logged anywhere.
@USAFRet bro agree bro dont be angry chill I know u have given me.your precious time advice's thanks to you a lot just waiting for someone if knows itbir can we invent a way if possible all together...by creating a batch file ir program software to check.pc will be helpful for others being cheated . nothing is possible...things that don't existed is always created...


If the seller is incompetent enough to sell you a whole working PC without a full wipe and reinstall, and leaving behind traces of bank accounts, mining wallets, passwords, etc....what else is he incompetent with?
(or worse, a trojan/keylogger purposely installed to gather YOUR data)

Do you really want to spend money on that hardware?


@USAFRet bro no I know the clever distructive person use mining and torjens
and who are clever and misused will hide format and clean to hide and simple gamers don't know formating their are kids in India to who just purchase PC for fun gaming and those kids give to format PC or mobile to hardware shops in India....so if in check and it's causal person then we will get the info and if its clever then he must have formated...after using pc in 3 months...


Secondly if I will purchase the PCc I will format and erase as I m.clever to ROFL...haha just cool down buddy don't take it personally..

Actually I want to get old CPU and GPU and want to test from others PC components reports as sellers offering ti give benchmark test reports in the Advt ..I m not greeting the PC as I want my own build setup. With my researched specs..


So don't worry bro thanks for your care gudence help and concerns.. Give men your esteemed. Advice thanks bro
 
I am closing this thread. The question has been asked and answered, over and over and over again, in multiple threads.

OP, if you don't have your answer by this point, you never will. Do not take this as an invitation to open up yet another thread tangentially related to this topic. That will not be a thing.
 
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