Question how to connect 5 fans to msi b450 pro m2 v2

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hello everyone i have a question..
i have new master cooler nr600 case ( 6 fans/ only 2 included) and mymobo is msi b450m pro m2 v2 with only 1 fan sys header... my question is how should i connect 5 fans (using molex or multiple splitter ) or just combine
 
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how should i connect 5 fans
depends on the make/model of fans.

also depends on if you want custom PWM profiles for each fan,
want the whole set to share the same profile,
or just want non-PWM fans that run at a static RPM.

some models can be daisy-chained together to share a single control header.
or you could also get a powered fan hub that uses the single SYS_FAN header and either a USB or SATA power connection.
 
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depends on the make/model of fans.

also depends on if you want custom PWM profiles for each fan,
want the whole set to share the same profile,
or just want non-PWM fans that run at a static RPM.

some models can be daisy-chained together to share a single control header.
or you could also get a powered fan hub that uses the single SYS_FAN header and either a USB or SATA power connection.
and what about mixing.. like connect 2 fans in front to the powersupply and the rear fan to the sys fan header...is it safe ?
 
ASSUMING that ALL your case ventilation fans are of the 4-pin PWM type, then you need one fan HUB. NOTE that, if you have 3-pin fans this will NOT work!

Warning: sellers use the labels HUB and SPLITTER as if they are the same thing, and they are NOT. A SPLITTER has only one connection to a mobo header and two or more outputs for fans. A HUB has those PLUS a third connection directly to a SATA or Molex power output connector from the PSU to get extra power for many fans. You need a HUB for your 5 fans connected to a single SYS_FAN HEADER. This type of device only works with 4-pin fans and MUST be connected to a header that uses the new PWM MODE to send out a PWM signal.

The item linked above by thestryker is a simple example of a HUB such as you need. It looks like a small circuit board. It has a wide edge connector on one end to plug in a SATA power output connector from the PSU, and a small socket on the opposite end for a cable (supplied) to plug into the mobo SYS_FAN header. It has ONE output in RED and you must connect one of your fans to that port. This is the ONLY port that will send its fan's speed back to the host header. Other case fans can plug in anywhere. Do NOT use this for your CPU cooler system - that goes to the mobo CPU_FAN header.

When you get this you need to adjust a setting in BIOS Setup for your mobo's SYS_FAN header. Find the header in BIOS Setup and look for a setting for MODE - see the mobo manual p. 14, at upper left of the options screen. Options typically are PWM, DC, and maybe Automatic. MSI sets their SYS_FAN header to DC by default and you need to change that to PWM. The use the Esc key back to Main Menu, then the F10 key to reach the Exit Menu. There choose to SAVE and EXIT to save your settings and reboot.
 
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ASSUMING that ALL your case ventilation fans are of the 4-pin PWM type, then you need one fan HUB. NOTE that, if you have 3-pin fans this will NOT work!

Warning: sellers use the labels HUB and SPLITTER as if they are the same thing, and they are NOT. A SPLITTER has only one connection to a mobo header and two or more outputs for fans. A HUB has those PLUS a third connection directly to a SATA or Molex power output connector from the PSU to get extra power for many fans. You need a HUB for your 5 fans connected to a single SYS_FAN HEADER. This type of device only works with 4-pin fans and MUST be connected to a header that uses the new PWM MODE to send out a PWM signal.

The item linked above by thestryker is a simple example of a HUB such as you need. It looks like a small circuit board. It has a wide edge connector on one end to plug in a SATA power output connector from the PSU, and a small socket on the opposite end for a cable (supplied) to plug into the mobo SYS_FAN header. It has ONE output in RED and you must connect one of your fans to that port. This is the ONLY port that will send its fan's speed back to the host header. Other case fans can plug in anywhere. Do NOT use this for your CPU cooler system - that goes to the mobo CPU_FAN header.

When you get this you need to adjust a setting in BIOS Setup for your mobo's SYS_FAN header. Find the header in BIOS Setup and look for a setting for MODE - see the mobo manual p. 14, at upper left of the options screen. Options typically are PWM, DC, and maybe Automatic. MSI sets their SYS_FAN header to DC by default and you need to change that to PWM. The use the Esc key back to Main Menu, then the F10 key to reach the Exit Menu. There choose to SAVE and EXIT to save your settings and reboot.
what if connect the 2 fans in front directly to the powersupply (molex) and the rear one to the fan sys header... is it gonna work safe ?
 
OP, you are concerned about "safe", and I suspect you have read warnings about too many fans connected to ONE fan header. That IS an issue. The detail is that any single fan header can supply up to 1.0 Amps current. If you check the max current use spec for most fans, it is 0.10 to 0.25 A per fan, so you CAN overload a header if you connect a lot to fans to one header. But a HUB changes that. It gets all the power for its fans from the PSU, and draws NO current from the host header, so that current limit does not apply when you use a Hub. The Hub does get the PWM control signal from the header and share that with all its fans, but that does NOT overload the header.

Connecting any fan directly to a PSU output (SATA or Molex) gives them full power at all times so the always run full speed and make max noise. But if you get a Hub you CAN connect all of your case vent fans to that one SYS_FAN header and have ALL of them under automatic speed control. This will run all those fans at as low a speed (and noise generation) as it can to maintain good cooling of your motherboard, without any danger to the SYS_FAN header.
 
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Interesting post. I literally have the same board. And about to add fans. I currently have 5 fans daisy chain to molex. 6th fan is CPU header.

I was thinking how I'm going to reroute my air flow. Over due. Great post. I will read up on this. Thanks OP
 
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^ Yes, that also is a good Hub. It appears as a box with eight ports as male connectors recessed in holes, as opposed to the ten exposed on the one linked above by thestryker. A closed box offers clean isolation from surroundings, whereas a circuit board needs careful mounting. A third appearance is a collection of cable "arms", but INCLUDING one arm that connects to a SATA or Molex power output from the PSU.
 
I have used these in multiple builds. Great little device. Easy to hide wiring and tuck away out of sight.

I've been out of the PC building game for awhile now, so forgive my ignorance at this point. So I know MSI M450M- Pro 2 MAX has the CPU_FAN header and the SYS_Fan1 header.

I believe 3 fans are coming off the SYS_fan header (CPU fan is on the CPU header) and the other 2 are directly connected to the molex from PSU. I'm redoing the flow this week so I'll know for sure later.

I was looking at this device COLGeek pointed to. The silverstone hub. Now here's my ignorance, the SYS_FAN1 header on this board is capable of DC or PWM modes. I would connect the hub to that header and be able to control fan speeds as needed ?

The specs say * Only header on glossy side support speed detection. What does that really mean?
 
I've been out of the PC building game for awhile now, so forgive my ignorance at this point. So I know MSI M450M- Pro 2 MAX has the CPU_FAN header and the SYS_Fan1 header.

I believe 3 fans are coming off the SYS_fan header (CPU fan is on the CPU header) and the other 2 are directly connected to the molex from PSU. I'm redoing the flow this week so I'll know for sure later.

I was looking at this device COLGeek pointed to. The silverstone hub. Now here's my ignorance, the SYS_FAN1 header on this board is capable of DC or PWM modes. I would connect the hub to that header and be able to control fan speeds as needed ?

The specs say * Only header on glossy side support speed detection. What does that really mean?
For the last question, that means having the ability to speed control PWM fans.

This device would be connected to the SYS1 header.
 
That's not really what it means. There really are two different functions to clear up here.

All fans generate a speed signal consisting of 5 VDC pulses (2 per revolution) sent back to the host header on Pin #3. The header counts the pulses to display speed. It also monitors that signal for NO pulses, which it interprets to mean the fan has FAILED, so it pops up a prominent warning on your screen. In the particular case of the CPU_FAN header it probably would take more drastic action and shut your system down completely pretty soon before even waiting for the temperature sensor inside the CPU chip to show high temps. Assuming that the CPU cooling unit really had failed, this prevents the CPU from overheating rapidly and getting damaged. Other headers like SYS_FAN do not take such drastic actions.

The header can deal with a stream of pulses coming in from only ONE fan. So when you use a Splitter or Hub to connect two or more fans to a single header, the speed of only ONE fan is sent back, and all the other fan speed pulse signals are ignored - they go nowhere and you will never "see" them. You are supposed to assume that those "other" fans are doing exactly the same thing since all fans get the same control signals. BUT that means that the header can NOT monitor all those Ignored fans for FAILURE. So from time to time YOU have to look and verify that all the fans still are working. For a Splitter or Hub that looks like a collection of cable "arms", only ONE of the male output connectors has all four pins in it - the others all are missing Pin #3 so it cannot send back the speed signal from that fan. For a unit that looks like a circuit board or a closed box with ports recessed in holes, ONE of those outputs will be marked in some way to indicate this is the ONLY output that feeds its speed signal back to the host header. You MUST connect one of your fans to this marked port. NOTE that some mark this port for "CPU" but you do NOT need to connect your CPU cooling fan here unless you really ARE using that cooling device on this Hub or Splitter for some reason.

We all speak of fan SPEED control, but the truth is the focus of the automatic control is TEMPERATURE as measured by a relevant sensor. The system controls temperature, and to do that it manipulates the speed of the connected fan(s) to change the air flow over the hot items and cool them sufficiently. In fact it does NOT care what the speed really is and does not use that info for its work. The only use of the speed signal is to monitor for failure. A mobo normally has at least wo different temperature sensors: one inside the CPU chip used for the CPU_FAN header to control CPU cooling, and the other on the mobo where the maker judges it is a good guide to overall device tempertures and cooling needs on the board. Many mobos also have added sensors on specific board components IF you plan to dedicate a fan to that particular component. In general, any units that cool the CPU in some way should be connected to the CPU_FAN header or some related ones. All CHA_FAN or SYS_FAN headers used for general case cooling should use the motherboard temperature sensor.

So pulse counting is the means of measuring the fan speed and monitoring it for failure. A fan header aslo provides POWER to the fan and CONTROL of the fan speed. Older 3-pin fans and the new 4-pin fans are designed and operated differently, so they require some differences in the details of the header output signals. Today almost all headers have 4 pins, but the user gets to specify in the configuration settings of each header exactly which signal set type it will send to its fans. For older 3-pin fans the VOLTAGE supplied on Pin #2 is varied from 12 VDC for full speed down to about 5 VDC for minimum speed without stalling, so BOTH Power and Control are done this way. This is called Voltage Control Mode or DC Mode. For newer 4-pin fans the POWER part from Pin #2 is always 12 VDC, and the CONTROL part is done by sending out the new PWM signal on Pin #4, which is used internally by a special chip in the motor to control the fan speed.

Within the CONTROL task, the header software in BIOS has two sub-tasks. The first is to decide what speed the fan should run and this is the header PROFILE setting. Typically the options here are Normal or Standard, Quiet, Full Speed or Turbo, and Manual or Custom. The first and last of these decide on the basis of the TEMPERATURE at the sensor selected what the speed output signal should be (usually as a "% of Full Speed" kind of signal). The other two allow the used to specify a fixed speed that is NOT adjusted continously. The last option allows the user to specify details of the temperature - speed decision scheme, whereas the first uses a default "fan curve". Once that decision is made, HOW to make the fan do what has been decided is done by the type of signal set sent out. This is the MODE setting: either Voltage Control Mode (aka DC Mode) or PWM Mode.

When you use a Splitter or a Hub to connect two or more fans to a single header, that device shares exactly the SAME signals to ALL its fans, and they all do the SAME thing. (That is, IF the fans all are 3-pin or all are 4-pin so the all CAN do what the shared signals request.) The fact that only ONE of those fans can send its speed signal back to the mobo has NO impact on whether ALL fans can be CONTROLLED in this way.
 
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