How to overclock 4690k?

[Fuseymore]

Hi, can someone tell me how to overclock properly or provide a link to help me overclock. Just got my aftermarket cooler today, but have never overclocked before seeing how i always used non k cpus.

Thanks in advance

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3P
Cpu cooler: Cryorig H7

 

[Darkbreeze]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics

 

[Fuseymore]

Still confused, it says i have to start my multiplier at 33 because i have a gigabyte motherboard? and how do i know when i need to turn up my volts and by how much at a time?

also how do i test if my OC is stable

What do i need to keep my temps at?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Between that thread and this one, you should have all the information necessary.

http://www.overclock.net/t/91/ultimate-overclocking-guide


This might be helpful too:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1808604/intel-temperature-guide.html


For testing stability, I'd run Prime95 v26.6, and only v26.6, on Small FFT for 15 minutes to verify thermal compliance or an hour in between adjustments for checking stability and for 15-24hrs once you've determined you are where you need to be and need to verify the system is PRIMARILY stable. Running other stability tests after you've validated your overclock with Prime95 for 15hrs is a good idea as well.

I recommend Heavyload or Intel burn test. There are plenty of online tutorials online but mostly the necessary information is in those three links above.

 

[Fuseymore]

I think im too stupid to overclock, I tried turning stuff up and my pc restarted so i obviously did it wrong
i just dont understand when i need to turn up my vcore, so if i turn it up to 4.0 ghz, 4.1, 4.2 etc how do i know what i need to set my vcore to?
I read the threads, i just dont understand, its so confusing

 

[Darkbreeze]

Are you trying to do this in the bios or in a windows utility?

 

[Fuseymore]

bios

 

[Darkbreeze]

What speed are you trying to achieve?

 

[Fuseymore]

Around 4.3ghz, i have a cryorig H7

 

[Darkbreeze]

That shouldn't be hard to achieve. I cannot however tell you what to set things at because the necessary settings are going to vary from chip to chip, motherboard to motherboard and depending on your RAM, possibly some configuration settings there as well.

Are you trying to use the automatic configurations or are you trying to manually set each required setting?

I'd say as a starting point I might try CPU multi 43, core voltage at about 1.25 and uncore ratio at 40 with LLC at high. But its going to vary like I said and using those guides, which might require significant time spent reading and learning to understand what each thing does. It's not some simple flip a switch process, except with the automatic utilities which are crap, so don't expect to know what you are doing in five minutes.

 

[Fuseymore]

I got it running stable at 4.0 GHz at 1.152 vcore
But I can't find the LLC setting
I found PLL and I can set it to high?
Do I need to change the Cpu PLL selection? It's on auto but can be set to LCPLL or SBPLL
Or just leave on auto and select high PLL level

Bios settings:
https://imgur.com/a/Y8M71

Also what are safe temps when running prime95? isnt prime95 temps suppose to be higher than real temps when gaming?
Its at 69-72 C after running prime95 for 15 mins

I think im ready to move it up 100 mhz at a time, as i now understand how much to change vcore by, and if it crashes that means i gotta turn vcore up more

 

[Fuseymore]

I turned that setting to high, set it to 4.1ghz, turned vcore up to 1.165 and prime95 ran stable but at 85°C is this too hot for the test?

Am I doing something wrong? You said id probably need about 1.25 vcore for 4.3ghz, so should I turn up my vcore more each time?

Update: My cpu gets to 70 C under load.
So i dont think i can OC more especially since my fans start getting louder when my pc is this hot, i think id rather have it run at stock and quiet as the OC isnt needed for the games i play

Thanks for trying to help I at least learned how to overclock somewhat
and thanks for bearing with me, overclocking was like a foreign language to me, now i know a bit more and can maybe try again in the future

 

[Darkbreeze]

85°C is higher than you want to see. Look at the Intel temperature guide I linked to. It has this information for every generation of Intel chip.

Anything in the 70's is ok. Over 70 is getting iffy.

 

[Darkbreeze]

85°C is higher than you want to see. Look at the Intel temperature guide I linked to. It has this information for every generation of Intel chip.

Anything in the 70's is ok. Over 80 is within tolerance, for stress testing, not normal use, but also higher than you'd like to see, and over 90 is not desirable at all. Over 100, damage is happening or throttling has begun.

PLL is NOT LLC. Load line calibration is entirely different. I'd reset every to default settings and start over. Leave the PLL alone for now. Either leave it at it's default setting or on auto. I'll look at the board specific settings for your motherboard later and give you a list of the ones you need to worry about. Mostly, just the CPU multi, CPU core voltage, Line load calibration and memory XMP profile need be touched for a very basic overclock.

 

[Fuseymore]

85°C is higher than you want to see. Look at the Intel temperature guide I linked to. It has this information for every generation of Intel chip.

Anything in the 70's is ok. Over 80 is within tolerance, for stress testing, not normal use, but also higher than you'd like to see, and over 90 is not desirable at all. Over 100, damage is happening or throttling has begun.

PLL is NOT LLC. Load line calibration is entirely different. I'd reset every to default settings and start over. Leave the PLL alone for now. Either leave it at it's default setting or on auto. I'll look at the board specific settings for your motherboard later and give you a list of the ones you need to worry about. Mostly, just the CPU multi, CPU core voltage, Line load calibration and memory XMP profile need be touched for a very basic overclock.

ok thanks, I reset everything back to default like 30 mins after i changed it cause i knew something wasnt right
So i've just been running at stock settings, so no rush, if you ever have extra time you can give me a list of what i need to change if you want, but dont prioritize it if you have better things to do. I'm more than fine with running at stock speeds.

I'll try to reread some of those threads and new threads so maybe im not as dumb next time around

Thanks again, you've been great help, wish you could come through the pc and do the OC for me lol, bet it would be so quick n easy for you

 

[Darkbreeze]

See, that's the misconception. It's never REALLY quick and easy, even when you've been doing it for far longer than I have. It's still a process. I'll get back to you on that this evening as I have a job to go do setting up a small office network and that should probably last me a few hours, so probably after dinner time I'll get back with you on some suggestions.

 

[Fuseymore]

See, that's the misconception. It's never REALLY quick and easy, even when you've been doing it for far longer than I have. It's still a process. I'll get back to you on that this evening as I have a job to go do setting up a small office network and that should probably last me a few hours, so probably after dinner time I'll get back with you on some suggestions.

well easier compared to me trying to do it haha
and ok ill check in later

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, so on the MIT menu.

Under Advanced CPU core settings:

CPU clock ratio: 43

Uncore ratio: 43 (Might have to drop this to 40 if it's not stable here)

Intel turbo boost technology: Disable

CPU EIST setting: Enable


Under Advanced voltage settings:

CPU Vcore: 1.25

CPU fan speed control: Normal

CPU VRIN (Line load calibration): High or very high. Auto is probably ok too.

Be sure to save settings when you exit. Keep in mind, you may have to reduce voltage if temps are too high when you stress test, or increase voltage if the system is unstable. Using those guides to make adjustments is advisable if necessary.

 

[Fuseymore]

ok i did that and im at 35-40 C with just chrome open, i feel like when i stress this, my cpu fan is gonna be a jet engine and it will still overheat

When i do prime95 should i stop it if my cpu gets to a certain temp?

Update: i tried running prime95 and instantly hit 95 C, so i shut it down
Will decreasing my vcore bring down the temps enough?
or is it time go back to stock settings

Update #2: started watching a youtube video and my pc crash, went back to stock settings

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes. If your CPU goes beyond 80°C core temp, then stop Prime. Only run small FFT. Only run version 26.6.

http://windows-downloads-center.blogspot.com/2011/04/prime95-266.html


If your temps instantly hit 95°C then your CPU cooler is either not mounted correctly or you do not have the correct amount of paste applied. Too much or too little are both bad.

About half a chocolate chip is all that is needed, dead center of the CPU lid. Mounting pressure should be exactly as outlined in the installation manual.

It might be advisable to just stay at stock settings for now, until you can figure out the overclocking mechanisms, but I'd still double check your cooler mounting as there is no way you should be at 35-40°C at idle. Not even overclocked.

 

[Fuseymore]

Yes. If your CPU goes beyond 80°C core temp, then stop Prime. Only run small FFT. Only run version 26.6.

http://windows-downloads-center.blogspot.com/2011/04/prime95-266.html


If your temps instantly hit 95°C then your CPU cooler is either not mounted correctly or you do not have the correct amount of paste applied. Too much or too little are both bad.

About half a chocolate chip is all that is needed, dead center of the CPU lid. Mounting pressure should be exactly as outlined in the installation manual.

It might be advisable to just stay at stock settings for now, until you can figure out the overclocking mechanisms, but I'd still double check your cooler mounting as there is no way you should be at 35-40°C at idle. Not even overclocked.

Yeah ill just stay at stock for now at least until i learn more about the overclocking process or maybe i can get a friend to come help me
ill reinstall my heatsink tomorrow if yo uthink temps are too high at id;e, was kind of a tight fit in my case so i guess im not too sure if its on good or not. and i can reapply thermal paste.

idle temps at stock are about 31-34 C, how low do you think it should be?

And yes i was doing small FFT on 26.6 prime95

 

[Darkbreeze]

Those temps are actually ok, depending on your ambient temperature in the room, for stock, but you overclocked idle temps really shouldn't be all that much different either. I'd say you'd probably ought to see about 25-30°C at idle with the stock configuration and 25-35°C at idle with that overclocked.

Especially since you've got a much better than stock cooler installed. Where are you located and what are your normal ambient temps in the room where the system is?

Honestly, the best way to install that cooler is to remove the motherboard and install it on the board while it's out of the case, especially the first time you do it so you can get a feel for how it should be. Especially if you have a really cramped case.

The other side of this is, it could even be related to the case and the case airflow. If you're not getting significant airflow through the case, it doesn't matter what CPU cooler you have installed, you're going to have high temps.

What is your case model, how many case fans do you have installed, where are they installed and in what configuration, intake or exhaust, is each fan oriented for?

 

[Fuseymore]

I'm in Pennsylvania, so it's not likely room ever gets hot, i don't have a thermostat but it can't be more than 72°F (22°C)

I know it's best to take the motherboard all the way out, but I feel like I wouldn't be able to screw it back in with the heatsink on, assuming it needs screws in the upper left as there is only 1/2 inch space to the left and like 1.5 inches above it, so it blocks most of the motherboard

My case is the Diypc zonda-b, it has a 120mm intake in front, 140mm intake side and 120mm exhaust in the back

I know the intake fans are pumping a lot of air in, but the exhaust fan doesn't seem to blow a ton of air out. It is blowing out, I just expect it to pump air out like a blow dryer or something

With these temps at stock do you think I'm ok leaving the cooler as is? If I ever plan to overclock I will definitely reinstall it

 

[Darkbreeze]

As long as you don't exceed 80°C then you're fine for now. I think I'd still be at least somewhat concerned though, as any inconsistent thermal behavior that indicates there might be a problem with the mount or paste job could rapidly turn into something worse. Not that it WILL, but it COULD.

Temporarily though, I think it's fine. Just keep an eye on temps when you've got browser tabs open or are gaming, until you're certain that temps actually are staying within spec.

As to the fans, are they connected to the motherboard or are they directly connected to the PSU? Are those the fans that came included with the case? If not, what are the fan model numbers?

If they are connected to the bios, I'd check the profiles for each of those fans and make sure they are all set to "normal".

Might want to install a better fan or fans in there at some point as the stock fans are probably pretty terrible and are likely to have both low CFM movement and are probably loud to boot.

 

[Fuseymore]

Ya I'll make sure to monitor the temps and I'll reinstall the heatsink if I notice any problems.

Yes the fans are connected to the motherboard and are set to normal in bios

New fans was actually my next upgrade, the front one can be loud sometimes and I do feel the back isn't moving enough air. Can you recommend a good 120mm fan for the from intake and rear exhaust?