how true is having a i7 4790k vs i5 4690k that the i7 dont have much benifit more then i5 in gaming

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ok I asked a question a good while back about this and was told that a core i7 has little to no bennifit over a core i5 in gaming. and that it was only marginably better in video recoding/encoding.

how true is this, is because (and I wish I bookmarked where I read this) but I seen charts and such that if my memory serves right that clearly the core i7 has a lot better performance then a core i5 even in gamming.

I am aware that the i7 is factory clocked higher but this was with both cpu';s running at the same speed. so has something changed? is the i7 going to be a good bit faster then a core i5 in gaming when both are overclocked too the same speed?

also although the new core i5 4690k has a slower stock speed it easily overclocks to 4.4ghz is that true?
 
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It is however beneficial if you have multiple programs running at the same time. I am, for example, usually running scientific calculations in one thread at the same time while I game, and have a browser and some background things running. In my case the difference is huge. If you only game on the machine, there is little difference except the clock difference. In CPU bound games, that might make a small difference.
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The streaming software needs to be open at the same time as the game in order to stream, so yes. The amount it matters will depend on the requirements of the streaming software you use and the CPU you have. The lightest streaming software I know about it the Nvidia drivers, but that only applies to Nvidia cards. Still, none are THAT demanding.
 
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Well here my set up guys i5 4670k running two gtx 970 sc with z87x oc 4 way motherboard AZZA Solano 1000 CSAZ-1000 Full Tower Case (Black) Coolmax ZPG-1200B 1200W 80Plus Gold ATX12V v2.3/EPS 12V v2.92 Power. Kingston Technology HyperX Red 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 1600MHz 10-10-10...and I got a 2tb hard drive with a dvd combo rewritable drive 120 gigs sshd what u think please leave a comment
 
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Hey all, almost everywhere it says i5 4690K is the best one for gaming. i7 4790K is overkill. And yet new games Like Wolfenstein and Arkham Knight recommend i7 CPU.... I don't get this.... I am building a system to last atleast 3 years and with this rate almost every game would be recommending i7 next year.... Would appreciate any suggestions???
 
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Buying an i5 now for top game performance is like buying the minimum GPU that can max out 1080p. It will work but you might want more than the minimum. The i7 will also be a better all around processor for doing daily things that involve multiple programs at the same time, as well as single programs with a heavier load. Truth be told, the i5 will only occasionally be a gaming bottleneck, though it will sometimes. But looking at only gaming with a chip like that is shortsighted. You get a lot more than a few frames. It's just a more capable machine by up to roughly 30%. If you have the money and won't skimp on GPU because of it, get the i7. But if you're choosing between the best GPU with an i5 and a step down and the i7, it depends. Will you upgrade the GPU soon? If so, i7 is better. But if you stick with the same GPU, a better one with an i5 will game better. That all said, the obvious best choice is a top GPU with the 4790k.
 
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@Eggz, Thanks for the suggestion....
I already have MSI GTX 970 Gaming card, looking for pairing it with either 4690K or 4790K. Totally agree that 4790K is an overall winner. But I am looking specifically and only for gaming caz thats all i switch on my rig for...

My question actually was why are the lataest games recommending i7 when we know that i5 4690K can out do almost every game. I am looking from this aspect to understand if the gaming industry is moving forward to use of hyperthreading and eventually an year or two later i7 will be a must??
 
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Yeah, that's a hard question to answer for sure. On the one hand, it's pretty certain that games will eventually use more threads than four because the most demanding games already can, and all trends point in that direction. On the other hand, it's not clear when that will become mainstream. If it takes several years, then the 4790k may already be relatively slow compared to the new i7s. Also, Intel will strive to make sure it's new i5s remain relevant (assuming they keep the i5 and i7 naming scheme). A new i5 may run games perfectly well by the time games can use threads more effectively. So that's part of the reason answering now is hard.

When you buy a chip, you have to assume it will continue to serve it's intended purpose for a few years. But with the adoption of better thread utilization for gaming on the horizon, that puts current i5s in a strange spot.

At the same time, it also puts people on the X79 and X99 platforms in a potentially good position. The six and eight core chips like 3930k, 4930k, 5820k, 5930k, and 5960x are plenty fast and go highly underutilized by games. If games utilize more threads in the coming years, the X79 and X99 may end up lasting much longer than expected.

Fortunately, the same goes for the 4790k and 4770k. The also have extra threads, and if games utilize them during their lifespan, then they will likely remain valid gaming chips for longer. On the flip side, if games start to rely on more threads during the lifespan of the 4690k and 4670k, then those chips stand to have a shorter than expected lifespan.

It all comes down to two thing in the end; (1) your risk tolerance, and (2) how much you care about spending another $75 on computer parts.
 
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Thanks for the info...

I decided to go with i5 4690K (3.5GHz, 3.9GHz turbo). But another confusion just sneaked in 😛
It's i5 4690K (3.5GHz, 3.9GHz turbo) vs Skylake i5 6600-S (3.5GHz, 3.9GHz turbo)

The speed seems to be the same and its a wait of 3-4 months, Any pointers guys....
 
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The only difference between the 4690k and the 6600k is that the 6600k has better integrated graphics.
 
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The 6600k uses faster RAM and, as with all Intel chip refreshes, you should expect about 10% more performance at the same speed. That is, if the 4690k can do 100 units of work in 1 second, then you can expect that the 6600k should be able to do 110 units of work in 1 second. If you can wait, it's usually worth it this late in a chip's cycle, since the 4690k should be replaced soon. But it wouldn't be worth it to get the 4690k and then upgrade to the 6600k. The difference would be small and go unnoticed for the most part. It's only worth it when the chip is out and you're deciding which to buy for relatively the same price.

Another pricing consideration is whether you already have a Z97 motherboard. If the new chip requires a new motherboard, then I would say to just look for a deal on the i-74790k, which will be cheaper after the launch of the new Intel chips. That way you'd get the i7 for rouchly the price that the i5 costs now, and being one chip-generation behind still keep you relevant for games.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/core-i7-6700k-and-core-i5-6600k-skylake-specs.html
 
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Hey thanks for the pointers. 10% improvement for extra premium on RAM/ new chip.... Doesn't seem worth to me as all I am gonna do is gaming on the system. For the same reason, I have ruled out i4790K as well for the same reason...

Regarding mobo ram, u'll be surprised that I am still running my Asus P5Q-VM with Core 2 Quad Q9550 @3.6 GHz + DDR2 RAM 800 MHz paired with MSI GTX 970 Gaming 😛 But not able to get even 50% potential of my card, hence need the upgrade....

So, upgrading for me will be CPU+Mobo+RAM...
 
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Hmm, well in that case, getting the 6600k will probably last you longer if you can hold out until its release. The new RAM means it will most likely require a new motherboard, and you might as well be on the new chipset/platform unless you find a killer Z97 deal.
 
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🙁 now that is more confusion.....
I have GTA V but can't run in max as of now, so was thinking of upgrading this week......... but I agree that 6600K will last longer for sure
On the other hand if skylake comes out really expensive in August then the price of 4690 + Z97 mobo+ RAM will not drop and I don't want to spend a lot actually..... So wait or not to wait confusion...
 
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I think you're actually setup pretty well. Having a generation or two gap between your CPU and your GPU helps reduce the cost of each upgrade because you're only replacing the GPU or other things, but never everything. In your case, the gap is a bit wider than two generations, but it won't be once you upgrade. If you go with the 6600k when it comes out, then your GPU won't be able to max it out for a few generations. Then you'll upgrade until you're in a similar situation to now with a CPU bottleneck, which will probably take a few generations. It's a back and forth the way you have things now. That way you spend only about $500 each cycle, rather than $1,000+. The overall cost comes out to the same, but its spread out. Plus you'll never be in a situation where everything in your computer is old, only certain parts, which you'll just swap out when you have money. I think that's a positive thing 🙂
 
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@Eggz, Thanks a ton for your advises.... Its been really helpful. As suggested, I have decided to wait for now and play games that came out in late 2013 or early 2014 with max settings until I updgrade :)
 
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Fyi Witcher 3 utilize hyperthread pretty well. I used i5 4460 before and had massive stutter due to fps drop. I check on software monitor it shows CPU load at 100 percent then I knew my i5 bottleneck my system. Change to 4790k never get that fps drop anywhere
Also helps a lot in mmo games.
 
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Buy 4790k just because it's the best cpu!!the extra performance it's going to last much longer/more futureproof than 4690k, and ofcourse games in the future will demand more cpu performance.By then,The 4790k still performs well your underpower i5 4690k have to forced to switch out to lga 2011 cpu,and motherboard,and even ddr4 memory
 
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what computers do u suggest i look at that have great perfomance in gaming editing and upgrade potential but for a cheap price rpund 15 - 2200, i just want a really solid computer that will get me through tough stuff in the future like 3D rendering and Virtual reality games. thanks for all the help nearly decided just being picky ahaha
 
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Well, those more concerned about cost vs performance, but who lean toward low cost performance, should consider an i7 computer running a 4 core 6700K processor. It has the fastest single core speed (great for gaming) and will out perform any i5 with video rendering and multi-tasking. Those mostly into just gaming could go with an i5 6600K, thus reducing cost but sacrificing some performance in heavy duty tasks like video rendering.

Those more concerned with performance for video rendering/recording while twitch streaming and virtual reality, might do well to consider going with a Broadwell-e i7 processor. The 6800K is the lowest cost 6 core choice, but I personally prefer the 6850K for it's slightly faster initial clock speed and 40 PCIe lanes instead of the 28 of the 6800K. But the 6800K is about the only Broadwell-e cpu to get if you really want to stay close to that $2200 budget mark and want the added power/speed for video rendering and streaming. It runs about $100 more than a 6700K but is about $200 less than a 6850K, and would get you into the x99 chipset for more powerful cpus, should you want to upgrade later.

If lowest cost is the most important thing for you, then the i7 6700k might be the best choice. But it really depends on what your personal needs and wants are for your next computer.

 
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In terms of pricing, I'm not sure what "rpund" means or what currency that is, but if you're looking for a whole PC, look to the building companies rather than the big box companies like HP or Dell. You can select which pieces you want, and they'll ship it to you setup without a bunch of stupid software. If you want to build on your own from scratch, use PC Part Picker.

Here are some links to a few good companies that use quality parts. They charge you about $500 more than the parts would cost to buy yourself, but you don't have to set it up on your own.

Maingear - https://www.maingear.com/custom/computers/custom-desktops/index.php

iBuypower - http://www.ibuypower.com/Site/Computer/Desktops

Digital Storm - http://www.digitalstorm.com/desktops.asp

Origin PC - https://www.originpc.com/gaming/desktops/

 
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