News Huawei reportedly facing bad AI chip yields for processors made at Chinese fab SMIC: Report

[zsydeepsky]

Okay thanks, OS Next looks very promising for Huawei, but this just makes me wonder if the Huawei pura 70 could run current android 14, what the score would be against OS next? Because really this study just shows that Huawei customized android 12 is slower than OS Next.

The OnePlus 12 result is not directly comparable since it’s a different phone with different components so the 30 second difference could be due to the phone and not any improvement between android 12 and 14 for all we know.

that I can't tell. currently HMOS Next is in the alpha test, anyone who participated has to sign an agreement for "not sharing benchmarks", so I guess the video export comparison is the best we can get at this point.

the beta program for HMOS Next starts Oct 8, I guess we could get more info by then. unfortunately, I don't have a device that can participate in the beta program...

yet I doubt Huawei's current HMOS 4.2 is badly optimized, since other tests show they optimized their device pretty well. One such test is this, as it shows Huawei Pura 70 with HMOS 4.2 & 7nm processor beats almost all other phones with 4nm processors in battery life:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsYlHLHTIIQ

 

[shady28]

HMOS Next

Out of curiosity, I did a bit of research on this OS.

For one, you need to send Huawei a copy of your passport and credit card information to get access to the SDK.

Then you have to pass a check to make sure your *social score* is high enough, meaning you're not critical of the CCP (basically, that you're a CCP shill).

To top it off, it is essentially a fork of Android 10/11.

This is nothing more than a CCP government sponsored intrusive rip-off of an obsolete Android version, made by Huawei out of desperation, or perhaps necessity depending on your take.

Article below, a few choice excerpts:

Huawei requires you to go to Huawei.com, make an account, and then sign up to be a developer by passing "Identity verification." This means sending Huawei your name, address, email, phone number, and pictures of your ID (driver's license or passport) and a photo of a credit card. You must then wait one or two business days while someone at Huawei manually "reviews" your application.

After getting access to HarmonyOS through a grossly invasive sign-up process, firing up the SDK and emulator, and poring over the developer documents, I can't come to any other conclusion: HarmonyOS is essentially an Android fork.

Just a trip to the app info screen will confirm that this phone runs Android. You'll see apps like the "Android Services Library," "Android Shared Library," "com.Android.systemui.overlay," "Androidhwext," and on and on, for about 10 different entries. It looks like some packages got hit with a find-and-replace, changing "Android" to "HarmonyOS."

The "version 10" here is a reference to Android 10, which seems to be the version HarmonyOS is based on. If you visit the "Huawei App Gallery" (which has a ton of apps... because it is just an Android app store), you can choose from any number of "system info" apps, which will all identify the phone as running "Android 10 Q."

Huawei’s HarmonyOS: “Fake it till you make it” meets OS development

No discernible difference between Huawei’s “all-new” OS and Android.

arstechnica.com

 

[zsydeepsky]

This is nothing more than a CCP government sponsored intrusive rip-off of an obsolete Android version, made by Huawei out of desperation, or perhaps necessity depending on your take.

Article below, a few choice excerpts:

Huawei’s HarmonyOS: “Fake it till you make it” meets OS development

No discernible difference between Huawei’s “all-new” OS and Android.

arstechnica.com

please pay attention to the date of the "news": 2021 Feb, that's 3.5 years ago.

If you wanted to know what HMOS was, is, and will be, I found the Wikipedia page well-documented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS

so when I mentioned HMOS next, it meant HMOS 5.0.

and yes, back in 2021 Feb, for HMOS 2.0, you are not so far off by calling it an Android fork. What Huawei did back then was mostly just replace GMS (Google Mobile Services) with HMS (Huawei Mobile Services), since you know...they got sanctioned.

after that, Huawei removed more of Android and added more of their own stuff with each version upgrade, till the last tipping point: HMOS Next, the version that they will completely get off AOSP (Android Open Source Project). the apps no longer run in JVM but are more native (closer to iOS), and I guess that's the main reason why we are witnessing such CPU performance boost.