News Huawei Says China-Made Chips Must Be Used, Even if Inferior

[Admin]

Huawei's rotating chairman defends Chinese chip production, says company has to use them no matter what.

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[hotaru251]

who knew business says to use homegrown stuff no matter what as said business is largest beneficiary from it happening.

 

[systemBuilder_49]

to produce 7nm chips with 14nm equipment each layer must be split into 2 masks so the 2d frequencies are not too high and then printed in 2 separate steps which introduces twice the probabilities for a fault. Not only that but for a complex cell phone chip it can take 1 full month of compute to perform the splitting step. Yields will never be high and these chips will never reach current-generation speeds due to design, compute, and yield delays.

 

[roba67]

There is such a thing as "good enough". We are paying a high price to keep them from getting the last iota of performance. It has cost US companies 25 or 30 percent of their customer base, it will not be made up by setting up new expensive fabs in the US, they still need customers.

 

[gg83]

I'm surprised the CEO would admit the disparity publicly like that. Primary school vs Dr.?

 

[bit_user]

There is such a thing as "good enough".

For a smart phone? Yes.

We are paying a high price to keep them from getting the last iota of performance.

The difference between "7 nm" and later process nodes is a lot more than an "iota". When you account for not only the single-thread performance, but also the aggregate performance you get when scaling up multi-core CPUs, GPUs, and AI processors on newer nodes, it's actually quite a big difference!

For instance, just look at the difference between Nvidia's A100, which used TSMC N7 (unlike the rest of the Ampere line), compared with the H100 (which used "4N" - a custom variant of TSMC N5).

Or, look at the difference between AMD's Genoa, which scales up to 96 cores at much higher performance levels, compared with Milan. That's essentially the difference between TSMC N5 vs. N7 - just one node.

Now, you might claim that there other differences between them than just the node, but those differences were largely enabled by the power and density improvements delivered by the new node. When you try to backport a newer design to an older node, it runs way hotter and uses a lot more area, if it's even viable at all. Just look at Rocket Lake.

It has cost US companies 25 or 30 percent of their customer base, it will not be made up by setting up new expensive fabs in the US, they still need customers.

That's not the point. The stated purpose of the sanctions is aimed at the military applications of advanced technology.

 

[Co BIY]

I'm surprised the CEA would admit the disparity publicly like that. Primary school vs Dr.?

Maybe trying to set reasonable performance expectations for all the new owners of the Mate 60.

And lobby for the government subsidies/support needed to keep going.

 

[pug_s]

IMO, android OS fails to take advantage of the better hardware anyways. Huawei Harmony OS is refining the OS experience where Google fail to made any improvements.

 

[bit_user]

Huawei Harmony OS is refining the OS experience where Google fail to made any improvements.

Can you please list any examples of what you mean by that?

 

[tomscomments]

I'm surprised the CEA would admit the disparity publicly like that. Primary school vs Dr.?

Confucius : "One of the most important behaviors that Confucius encourages people to cultivate is self-restraint both in terms of acquiring possessions and in terms of seeking social status and recognition for one’s work."

My Guess, it is strategic but cultural too. Chinese are impacted by Confucius philosophy.

 

[bit_user]

My Guess, it is strategic but cultural too. Chinese are impacted by Confucius philosophy.

My guess is that their business strategy is more informed by Sun Tzu's The Art of War and the game of Go, than Confucius. However, I claim no authority on the matter. I did read the aforementioned book - recommended!