Question (I don't know if this is in the right subforum!) System incompatible with Windows 11, what sort of computer should I look into?

[Fatalzo]

My PC is a 7-year-old HP Z220 Workstation, and it says it's incompatible with Windows 11 due to the lack of a TPM chip and an ancient processor.

So what sort of computer should I look for?
I really don't want anything heavy duty. My vision is a moderately cheap computer ($600-800) with an Intel CPU, Intel or NVidia GPU, and the TPM chip. I want it to atleast be able to run Roblox at minimum graphics without overheating, just like mine does now. I want it to last atleast 4 years under these conditions. I play Roblox a lot.

So what sort of computer should I be looking into?

Due to personal reasons, I have extremely severe trust issues towards AMD and I would like to stay away from AMD whenever possible. I won't get into too much detail, but long story short, I have had nothing but bad experiences with AMD and nothing but good experiences with Intel.

 

[Colif]

I would wait until win 11 is released and there are PC with it on them already, or at least more motherboards with the sticker saying they do work.

probably get a laptop that can do that much

Its not ideal to buy before its out.

 

[delaro]

Honestly Skip Windows 11 for now and wait for prices to get reasonable since you have issues with AMD. Win 10 is going to be updated until 2025 so you have plenty of time.

You may want to research a bit before you ask a question.

1. Intel GPU's are not out yet
2. GPU prices, in general, are overinflated still
3. RAM/ SSD prices are creeping up
4. Availability, budget parts are sold out often.
5. AMD IGPU's offer better performance for the price vs Intels Integrated.
6. Your budget is limited and AMD has become much more reliable and competitive in the last 3 years. 🤷‍♂️

Somewhere to start, this is expecting you to reuse your drives " Hopefully they are SSD's" and replacing the case if your not wanting to hunt a peck where wires go.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-11400 2.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B560M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Corsair)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($55.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $478.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-04 08:46 EDT-0400
PCPartPicker Part List

And then there are Prebuilts which can be found in that $800 range and will probably offer you better combinations for the price.

 

[USAFRet]

So what sort of computer should I look for?

Ask again in a year.
Win 11 is not yet released. Requirements are continually evolving.

 

[delaro]

Ask again in a year.
Win 11 is not yet released. Requirements are continually evolving.

Winblows 11 will be out before Christmas but I doubt all the bug fixes and driver annoyances will be fixed until next year. 😉

 

[Colif]

its windows, all the bugs won't be fixed.... ever. But majority should be and Win 11 only gets version updates once a year so waiting till October 2022 to get a new PC might be a stretch

 

[delaro]

its windows, all the bugs won't be fixed.... ever. But majority should be and Win 11 only gets version updates once a year so waiting till October 2022 to get a new PC might be a stretch

If W11 is fully released in October you should see OEM's shipping in December but that will be mostly online sales. What you find in brick and mortar stores are going to be 3-6 months behind or at least that is the way it use to work before Covid and supply issues started. 🤔

 

[Fatalzo]

I would wait until win 11 is released and there are PC with it on them already, or at least more motherboards with the sticker saying they do work.

probably get a laptop that can do that much

Its not ideal to buy before its out.

I don't like to use laptops, especially ones with AMD processors. I have only had bad experiences with AMD, and that was in a laptop.

Also I had a thought - would it be bad to, when Windows 11 releases, brute force it into my computer? Or would it cause issues like overheating?

Honestly Skip Windows 11 for now and wait for prices to get reasonable since you have issues with AMD. Win 10 is going to be updated until 2025 so you have plenty of time.

You may want to research a bit before you ask a question.

1. Intel GPU's are not out yet
2. GPU prices, in general, are overinflated still
3. RAM/ SSD prices are creeping up
4. Availability, budget parts are sold out often.
5. AMD IGPU's offer better performance for the price vs Intels Integrated.
6. Your budget is limited and AMD has become much more reliable and competitive in the last 3 years. 🤷‍♂️

Somewhere to start, this is expecting you to reuse your drives " Hopefully they are SSD's" and replacing the case if your not wanting to hunt a peck where wires go.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-11400 2.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B560M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Corsair)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($55.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $478.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-04 08:46 EDT-0400
PCPartPicker Part List

And then there are Prebuilts which can be found in that $800 range and will probably offer you better combinations for the price.

I don't use SSDs since they're still somewhat experimental and they don't have infinite writes per sector, so my main drive is still an HDD. I have a 256GB SSD. Nonetheless, if I built this system, well for one I haven't built a computer before so it'd be hard, but I could learn, two I definitely would reuse the drives.


Yes, I am absolutely fine with reusing the GPU. This GT 710 has served me well and should continue to do as such.

 

[USAFRet]

I don't use SSDs since they're still somewhat experimental and they don't have infinite writes per sector, so my main drive is still an HDD. I have a 256GB SSD. Nonetheless, if I built this system, well for one I haven't built a computer before so it'd be hard, but I could learn, two I definitely would reuse the drives.


Yes, I am absolutely fine with reusing the GPU. This GT 710 has served me well and should continue to do as such.

All my house systems are SSD only.
Well, almost. The only one not is a 2009 era low end Toshiba laptop, and the 65TB in or attached to my NAS.

'somewhat experimental' ?
SSD are proving to be more reliable than an HDD

'Limited writes" ?
Well yes. But...that 'limit' is HUGE.
Do you know anyone who has ever had an SSD die from too many write cycles in normal use? I've not. And I've asked in here multiple times.

So....anyone reading this...have YOU ever had an SSD die from too many write cycles?
If so, details please. Use case, specific drive, how many power on hours, power cycles, TBW....

HDDs die as well.
Nothing is 'infinite'.

 

[Fatalzo]

All my house systems are SSD only.
Well, almost. The only one not is a 2009 era low end Toshiba laptop.

'somewhat experimental' ?
SSD are proving to be more reliable than an HDD

'Limited writes" ?
Well yes. But...that 'limit' is HUGE.
Do you know anyone who has ever had an SSD die from too many write cycles in normal use? I've not. And I've asked in here multiple times.

So....anyone reading this...have YOU ever had an SSD die from too many write cycles?
If so, details please. Use case, specific drive, how many power on hours, power cycles, TBW....

HDDs die as well.
Nothing is 'infinite'.

No, but I have had an SSD die before. It's in that old AMD laptop that started my trust issues with AMD, and it went down like the titanic - it just destroyed itself, problem after problem, overheating for its entire life, and having fans that sound like a jeep at 80 mph (around 180 kmph)

 

[USAFRet]

No, but I have had an SSD die before. It's in that old AMD laptop that started my trust issues with AMD, and it went down like the titanic - it just destroyed itself, problem after problem, overheating for its entire life, and having fans that sound like a jeep at 80 mph (around 180 kmph)

My last 3 dead storage devices:
HDD, HDD, SSD.

One of the HDDs was 5 weeks off the store shelf. Went from apparently great to dead dead dead in about 36 hours.

So.....

 

[Fatalzo]

My last 3 dead storage devices:
HDD, HDD, SSD.

One of the HDDs was 5 weeks off the store shelf. Went from apparently great to dead dead dead in about 36 hours.

So.....

I've had an HDD die before too. I've only ever had 2 drives die, and that's because I usually get a new PC every about 2 years. This PC was in used condition and the HDD had 7 years worth of power on hours, and it just gave out. To be honest though I can't get upset, that thing's been through more than any drive I have ever seen.

Anyway - would it be a bad idea to force Windows 11 to install? Provided the drivers work, would it cause problems such as overheating?

 

[USAFRet]

Anyway - would it be a bad idea to force Windows 11 to install?

Yes, it would be an astronimically bad idea.
Especially if this is your main/only PC.

Win 11 is still in a beta version, at best.
Things will change.

 

[Colif]

hdd, moving parts that don't like falling off tables
ssd - no moving parts, throw it around all you like.

I have had no ssd die so far and about 5 hdd die in the last 20 years. Sure, I have had more hdd in that time that didn't die but so far the death ratio is still on side of solid state. I have only had 2 and both still work.

ssd aren't experimental or they wouldn't be selling them to data centres. Servers wouldn't risk their data on them. Biggest ssd you can buy is a enterprise one. the bigger they are, the more spare space they have to error correct.

Same applies at smaller scales too, my 1tb NVME has 93gb of space for error correction (over provisioning) so I can't see me ever needing a new one (knocks on wood), Smaller ssd had less free space for error correction so I guess they would run out sooner but size makes ssd more resilient.

 

[boju]

Been using ssds for several years as well in a couple systems dating back from 2011~13. Will never go back to hdds for general tasks or gaming, too used to the performance boost ssds gives you in iops. Games utilising the pagefile or asset loading on the fly especially in open world games greatly benefit.

I read sometime ago about ssds write cycles and under heavy use, rewriting 20GB or so every day, it'll last 10yrs or more.

 

[TommyTwoTone66]

I don't use SSDs since they're still somewhat experimental and they don't have infinite writes per sector, so my main drive is still an HDD.

Lol wut? Experimental? They have been mainstream consumer devices for more than 8 years at this point? Every single smartphone ever shipped uses the same flash RAM chips and they have sold literally billions. Almost everyone on this forum uses an SSD as their main boot drive and guess what, nobody's OS is going "poof" into thin air. SMH.

Your mechanical clanker doesn't have infinite writes either. No storage medium does. Right now, with current overprovision tech, SSDs have more writes before failure than mechanical HDDs do.

 

[Joseph_138]

My PC is a 7-year-old HP Z220 Workstation, and it says it's incompatible with Windows 11 due to the lack of a TPM chip and an ancient processor.

So what sort of computer should I look for?
I really don't want anything heavy duty. My vision is a moderately cheap computer ($600-800) with an Intel CPU, Intel or NVidia GPU, and the TPM chip. I want it to atleast be able to run Roblox at minimum graphics without overheating, just like mine does now. I want it to last atleast 4 years under these conditions. I play Roblox a lot.

So what sort of computer should I be looking into?

Due to personal reasons, I have extremely severe trust issues towards AMD and I would like to stay away from AMD whenever possible. I won't get into too much detail, but long story short, I have had nothing but bad experiences with AMD and nothing but good experiences with Intel.

Do you really NEED Windows 11 right now? There's going to be 4 more years of Windows 10 support, so you have plenty of time to upgrade. Price and availability of new tech is crazy right now, so you're going to be spending a lot more than you have to if you buy now. In 4 years, the prices will likely be lower, and the parts that people are fighting over now will have been replaced by newer parts by then.

 

[Fatalzo]

Do you really NEED Windows 11 right now? There's going to be 4 more years of Windows 10 support, so you have plenty of time to upgrade. Price and availability of new tech is crazy right now, so you're going to be spending a lot more than you have to if you buy now. In 4 years, the prices will likely be lower, and the parts that people are fighting over now will have been replaced by newer parts by then.

I know, I plan on keeping this computer forever and using it for atleast another year, but I'm foreshadowing.

 

[Colif]

win 11 reminds me of Cyberpunk. Hype is over powering logic. Just like games, Windows will be in need of patches and fixes for the first few months , so by about 6 months out it might be closer to what the reveal showed... maybe.

You better waiting and just see what the real thing is like, and not believe hype.

So far insiders only matches the reveal trailer on the surface.

 

[TommyTwoTone66]

win 11 reminds me of Cyberpunk. Hype is over powering logic. Just like games, Windows will be in need of patches and fixes for the first few months , so by about 6 months out it might be closer to what the reveal showed... maybe.

You better waiting and just see what the real thing is like, and not believe hype.

So far insiders only matches the reveal trailer on the surface.

It’s going to be another windows 8, vista, or millennium edition.

Some people will have it preinstalled on their HP Omen or Alienware box, a few gullible saps will update to it straight away, and most of us will simply ignore it until there’s a compelling reason to switch to it.

So far I see none at all, and the TPM chip requirement (if it stays in) is utterly useless and unimportant to me, and will prevent most people installing it at all.

 

[Fatalzo]

It’s going to be another windows 8, vista, or millennium edition.

Some people will have it preinstalled on their HP Omen or Alienware box, a few gullible saps will update to it straight away, and most of us will simply ignore it until there’s a compelling reason to switch to it.

So far I see none at all, and the TPM chip requirement (if it stays in) is utterly useless and unimportant to me, and will prevent most people installing it at all.

I've seen dozens if not hundreds of computers, and go figure, the only one I've seen with a TPM chip died like a year after purchasing it.

 

[cryoburner]

Also I had a thought - would it be bad to, when Windows 11 releases, brute force it into my computer? Or would it cause issues like overheating?

Why exactly do you even want Windows 11? From the looks of it, it's mostly just a reskinned Windows 10 with some questionable design changes that will likely annoy a lot of people. It might end up being reasonably fine, but I see no reason to get a new computer just to run Windows 11. I doubt any games will require the OS anytime soon. Roblox certainly won't. The reason to upgrade to new hardware should be only for performance reasons, and if your find the performance of your existing system to be fine, then it might be worth sticking with that for a while longer.

No, but I have had an SSD die before. It's in that old AMD laptop that started my trust issues with AMD, and it went down like the titanic - it just destroyed itself, problem after problem, overheating for its entire life, and having fans that sound like a jeep at 80 mph (around 180 kmph)

Neither Intel or AMD make laptops. They only make the CPUs and potentially the graphics hardware that goes into them. If the laptop had problems, it was most likely the result of the company that designed and built it, not so much the one that made the CPU. Especially something like a drive failure should have absolutely nothing to do with AMD. And fan noise was probably largely down to a lack of adequate cooling hardware for whatever components it had. If buying a laptop, one should look to reviews for more information about it, as the use of an AMD or Intel processor should have little to do with the system's overall reliability. You can find laptops with problems using any brand of hardware.

Yes, I am absolutely fine with reusing the GPU. This GT 710 has served me well and should continue to do as such.

I wouldn't bother. Just about any recent CPU that includes integrated graphics should provide more graphics performance than a GT 710. So if you were buying a new system and didn't want to get a new GPU right away, using the integrated graphics would probably be the better option. Really though, as far as gaming performance is concerned, graphics hardware will usually tend to affect performance the most, so it's probably worth getting a better dedicated card. If you're consider getting a system in the "$600-$800" range, a notably faster dedicated graphics card should be possible. Though for a self-built system, you would probably want to wait until the prices come back down and availability improves, as there has been a graphics card shortage going on for some months.

 

[Fatalzo]

Why exactly do you even want Windows 11? From the looks of it, it's mostly just a reskinned Windows 10 with some questionable design changes that will likely annoy a lot of people. It might end up being reasonably fine, but I see no reason to get a new computer just to run Windows 11. I doubt any games will require the OS anytime soon. Roblox certainly won't. The reason to upgrade to new hardware should be only for performance reasons, and if your find the performance of your existing system to be fine, then it might be worth sticking with that for a while longer.


Neither Intel or AMD make laptops. They only make the CPUs and potentially the graphics hardware that goes into them. If the laptop had problems, it was most likely the result of the company that designed and built it, not so much the one that made the CPU. Especially something like a drive failure should have absolutely nothing to do with AMD. And fan noise was probably largely down to a lack of adequate cooling hardware for whatever components it had. If buying a laptop, one should look to reviews for more information about it, as the use of an AMD or Intel processor should have little to do with the system's overall reliability. You can find laptops with problems using any brand of hardware.


I wouldn't bother. Just about any recent CPU that includes integrated graphics should provide more graphics performance than a GT 710. So if you were buying a new system and didn't want to get a new GPU right away, using the integrated graphics would probably be the better option. Really though, as far as gaming performance is concerned, graphics hardware will usually tend to affect performance the most, so it's probably worth getting a better dedicated card. If you're consider getting a system in the "$600-$800" range, a notably faster dedicated graphics card should be possible. Though for a self-built system, you would probably want to wait until the prices come back down and availability improves, as there has been a graphics card shortage going on for some months.

1. Future proofing
2. The laptop had a rating at the time of 4.5 stars but today it has a rating of 2 stars, my issue was very widespread with that model and I got it before the issues started happening
3. Why are you judging my graphics card man? I mainly have it because, well for one I don't do heavy gaming, it's also really reliable. I'd rather have a dedicated GPU even if it's weaker because it'd put unnecessary wear on the components, so it's more efficient to keep them separated.

 

[white.a.drew]

Lol wut? Experimental? They have been mainstream consumer devices for more than 8 years at this point? Every single smartphone ever shipped uses the same flash RAM chips and they have sold literally billions. Almost everyone on this forum uses an SSD as their main boot drive and guess what, nobody's OS is going "poof" into thin air. SMH.

Your mechanical clanker doesn't have infinite writes either. No storage medium does. Right now, with current overprovision tech, SSDs have more writes before failure than mechanical HDDs do.

you have a brain like me when it comes to pc bro, i have had several instances with windows on ssd's compared to hdd's the only thing that ssd's are actually good for in my eye's is faster boot times other then that. he's basically right ssd's are basically over rated, and umm i have no idea what you are talking about by no ones os's are just going poof bye bye off of ssd's. there's several post on just this forum of people shutting down thir pc one perfectly fine then all of a sudden next morning for school or something there's no boot device detected however ssd's are still being read.

 

[TommyTwoTone66]

Future proofing? Huh? Are you imagining some future where Windows 11 isn't available to install? This makes zero sense. If you ever needed Windows 11 in future, you could simply install it. You don't "proof" yourself from anything by installing it while it's still in Alpha.

Your star rating is irrelevant. I don't even know what you're talking about. Is this some benchmark thing in Roblox? Likely it went down because you installed a ton of junk on your laptop. Do a clean install (Of Windows 10) and your star rating will come back.