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"Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in
> message
> news:d5nu50$l96$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Arturus Magi" <sailorleo@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>> news:427f2da3_1@x-privat.org...
>> > Xocyll wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> How on earth did the education system sink so low?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Lack of respect for teachers in general
>>
>> In the UK they get all the contempt they deserve.
>>
> You could say that's why schools and parents get the teachers they
> deserve -
> what self-respecting professional would want to work in an environment
> with
> attitudes like that?

Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all) of
current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of the
pupils or the confidence of the parents.
 
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I think my comment stands then.

"Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in message
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>
>> Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all) of
> current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of the
> pupils or the confidence of the parents.
>
>
 
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In article <mn.3cc57d5579605b01.28733@excite.com>, Dawnseeker
<nospam_dawnseeker3@excite.com> wrote:

> God bless you, Maxon.
> There's certainly *nothing* wrong with a little constructive snobbery,
> the English language should be preserved, not martyred upon the pyre of
> modern apathy.

[Applause]

Richard.
 
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In article <0tGdnc91r-PH2ODfRVn-rA@rcn.net>, John Salerno
<johnjsal@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> Maxon wrote:
> > I would be interested in this John so let us know when you do get it done.
>
> I definitely will. I haven't worked on it for several months, but as of
> yesterday I got really interested in it again for some reason. I'd hate
> for all that work to go to waste, so I'm going to finish it soon and
> submit it.

I too would be interested.

Richard.
 
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"Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>I think my comment stands then.

Equally as cryptic ?


> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in
> message
> news:d5ocg7$tp8$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>>> Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all)
>>> of
>> current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of the
>> pupils or the confidence of the parents.
>>
>>
>
>
 
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Richard Buckle wrote:
> In article <0tGdnc91r-PH2ODfRVn-rA@rcn.net>, John Salerno
> <johnjsal@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Maxon wrote:
>>
>>>I would be interested in this John so let us know when you do get it done.
>>
>>I definitely will. I haven't worked on it for several months, but as of
>>yesterday I got really interested in it again for some reason. I'd hate
>>for all that work to go to waste, so I'm going to finish it soon and
>>submit it.
>
>
> I too would be interested.
>
> Richard.

Cool. It's exciting to be close to being done. I figure I have two big
things left to create (specifically, the ending!) and then I'll probably
ask some people on the Bioware forums to test it first.

Basically the mod is about getting involved in the lives of the
villagers and learning more about them and the history of the town.
There are a lot of side quests, some of which are tied to the main story
but not necessary.
 
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Colin E wrote:
>>>Funnily enough some of the best grammer and spelling comes from the
>>>module writers whose first language is not English. Maybe they just try
>>>harder to get it right.
>>
>>Module writers like usenet posters in general have shown this is exactly
>>right.
>>
>>My experience is the Europeans, learning English as their
>>second/third/fourth/fifth language actually care about getting it right.
>>Most are happy to get a reply that gently corrects a mistake.
>>
>>It's the Americans (for the most part) who only have one language and
>>can't be bothered getting that even remotely right.
>>
>>It's gotten so bad that when I come across someone who actually spells
>>'are', 'you', 'anyone' instead of those 'r' 'u' 'ne1' abominations
>>and/or knows the difference between to/too/two and their/there/they're I
>>assume they're European not American.
>>
>>How on earth did the education system sink so low?
>>
>>Xocyll
>
>
> Sadly, it's not just the Americans - the UK are headed the same way and
> (possibly) in a head to head race. The only way many of us get to learn
> what a gerundive or ablative are is if we learn as we learn a foreign
> language.
> As a game player considering partying up, I look for potential team members
> who use English that I can understand. Not surprisingly, I've come to know
> a number of mainland Europeans and Scandinavians over the years !!
>
> Colin E
>
>
Its not just USA and UK standards going downhill. The same thing is
happening in here in New Zealand and it's getting worse quickly.

Kharsis
 
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Manky Badger wrote on 5/9/2005 :
> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:ElNfe.72$Pi3.23@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in message
>> news:d5nu50$l96$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Arturus Magi" <sailorleo@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>> news:427f2da3_1@x-privat.org...
>>> > Xocyll wrote:
>>> >

Respect *used* to be given to the vocation (as it should)... most kids
go to public school, and have gotten so spoiled with the idea that
it's there for them no matter what. Blaming the teacher is like
throwing the baby out with the proverbial bathwater... a lot of
parents/schoolchildren are equally deserving of blame. How many parents
actually go to PTA? (Answer: not many) How many parents actually look
at their kids homework? (answer: not many) IMHO, there are times when
it's time for the parents to stop trying so hard to be their children's
*friends* and start trying harder to be *parents*, and now it's the
*teachers* who don't deserve respect? If there is a lack of respect for
teachers, it is not always the teachers fault. There is certainly no
easy answer to the problem, but to even begin to correct the issue a
little, perhaps we should start looking to see what can be done at
home.



>>> >>
>>> >> How on earth did the education system sink so low?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Lack of respect for teachers in general
>>>
>>> In the UK they get all the contempt they deserve.
>>>
>> You could say that's why schools and parents get the teachers they deserve
>> -
>> what self-respecting professional would want to work in an environment with
>> attitudes like that?
>
> Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all) of
> current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of the
> pupils or the confidence of the parents.

--
As we passed on
It seemed as if those scenes
Of visionary enchantment
Would never have an end.

--- Meriwether Lewis.
 
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Manky Badger has brought this to us :
> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news😀GOfe.76$RJ6.74@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>I think my comment stands then.
>
> Equally as cryptic ?
>
>
>> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in message
>> news:d5ocg7$tp8$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>>> Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all) of
>>> current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of the
>>> pupils or the confidence of the parents.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Respect used to be given to the vocation (as it should)... most kids go
to public school, and have gotten so spoiled with the idea that it's
there for them no matter what. Blaming the teacher is like throwing the
baby out with the proverbial bathwater... a lot of
parents/schoolchildren are equally deserving of blame. How many parents
actually go to PTA? (Answer: not many) How many parents actually look
at their kids homework? (answer: not many) IMHO, there are times when
parents should stop trying so hard to be their children's friends and
start trying harder to be parents, and now it's the teachers who don't
deserve respect? If there is a lack of respect for teachers, it is not
always the teachers fault. There is certainly no easy answer to the
problem, but to even begin to correct the issue a little, perhaps we
should start looking to see what can be done at home.

--
As we passed on
It seemed as if those scenes
Of visionary enchantment
Would never have an end.

--- Meriwether Lewis.
 
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"Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in message
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>
> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news😀GOfe.76$RJ6.74@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> >I think my comment stands then.
>
> Equally as cryptic ?

What I'm saying is: If your kid is having trouble at school and is showing a
lack of respect to the teachers, I wonder where she/he learned it from?
This is what you said,

"My daughter was very fed up with school and didn't want to be there.
She soon learned that if she wanted a day off all she had to do was muck
about.
Bad behaviour is rewarded with a day off school."

Bad behaviour is not rewarded with your disapproval and anger it would seem.

Best wishes
Maxon

PS If you want to discuss this further, if would be better off-list, I
think.
 
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"Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in
> message
> news:d5oj7o$f2r$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news😀GOfe.76$RJ6.74@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>> >I think my comment stands then.
>>
>> Equally as cryptic ?
>
> What I'm saying is: If your kid is having trouble at school and is showing
> a
> lack of respect to the teachers, I wonder where she/he learned it from?
> This is what you said,
>
> "My daughter was very fed up with school and didn't want to be there.
> She soon learned that if she wanted a day off all she had to do was muck
> about.
> Bad behaviour is rewarded with a day off school."
>
> Bad behaviour is not rewarded with your disapproval and anger it would
> seem.

Oh, I agree totally, but when the teacher tells me that should I express
disapproval and anger he will report me to the social services..... (as is
wht actually happened) what other conclusion should I draw ?
 
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"Dawnseeker" <nospam_dawnseeker3@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Manky Badger has brought this to us :
>> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news😀GOfe.76$RJ6.74@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>>I think my comment stands then.
>>
>> Equally as cryptic ?
>>
>>
>>> "Manky Badger" <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:d5ocg7$tp8$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>>> Respect is something that is earned, not given. The majority (not all)
>>>>> of
>>>> current teachers of my acquaintance do little to earn the respect of
>>>> the
>>>> pupils or the confidence of the parents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Respect used to be given to the vocation (as it should)... most kids go to
> public school, and have gotten so spoiled with the idea that it's there
> for them no matter what. Blaming the teacher is like throwing the baby out
> with the proverbial bathwater... a lot of parents/schoolchildren are
> equally deserving of blame. How many parents actually go to PTA? (Answer:
> not many) How many parents actually look at their kids homework? (answer:
> not many) IMHO, there are times when parents should stop trying so hard
> to be their children's friends and start trying harder to be parents, and
> now it's the teachers who don't deserve respect? If there is a lack of
> respect for teachers, it is not always the teachers fault. There is
> certainly no easy answer to the problem, but to even begin to correct the
> issue a little, perhaps we should start looking to see what can be done at
> home.

I think you'll find most parents are open to suggestions.
 
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Manky Badger wrote:
> Oh, I agree totally, but when the teacher tells me that should I express
> disapproval and anger he will report me to the social services..... (as is
> wht actually happened) what other conclusion should I draw ?

This is not directed solely at you. :)

The obvious alternative conclusion is that this thread, though a fine topic, should be taken to email or more
appropriate newsgroups. :)

"I am not a net cop, but I play one on TV"
--
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It is usually true for those of us who are "taught" the language as a
subject in school. This might be true for various reasons:

# One actually needs to make an effort to try and excel at the language
in order to get better grades

# Since it a vital part of the curricullum in school as most of higher
education [at least here in India] has the english togue as the medium
of instruction

As long as we are talking the proper usage of the language I would also
point out a startling dichotomy that i have observed [again in the
Indian context]:

# Those in the urban centres, those that seemingly are easier on the
ears due to their accents being seemingly proper are attrocious [not as
a rule] in their writter use of the language as far as spellings and
grammer are concerned

# Those in the semi-urban or rural areas have much better grasp of the
written usage and proper tense / case et al. However their spoken
english leaves a bit to be desired

In my opinion this is due to the priorities in the different segments
or strata of society in general. The urban youth are busy trying to act
more like the latest Hollywood actors or American Idol contestants
[minus the musical talents]. Also the candidate that sounds correct and
impressive usually gets the employment compared to the candidate who
does not sound correct [private sector employers]. That is the reason
you find more Civil servants coming from the rural heartland of the
country than fromthe cities, whereas the private sector is almost
entirely comprised of people fromthe cities.


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use the google groups service for posting
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It is usually true for those of us who are "taught" the language as a
subject in school. This might be true for various reasons:

# One actually needs to make an effort to try and excel at the language
in order to get better grades

# Since it a vital part of the curricullum in school as most of higher
education [at least here in India] has the english tongue as the medium
of instruction

As long as we are talking the proper usage of the language I would also
point out a startling dichotomy that i have observed [again in the
Indian context]:

# Those in the urban centres, those that seemingly are easier on the
ears due to their accents being seemingly proper are attrocious [not as
a rule] in their writter use of the language as far as spellings and
grammer are concerned

# Those in the semi-urban or rural areas have much better grasp of the
written usage and proper tense / case et al. However their spoken
english leaves a bit to be desired

In my opinion this is due to the priorities in the different segments
or strata of society in general. The urban youth are busy trying to act
more like the latest Hollywood actors or American Idol contestants
[minus the musical talents]. Also the candidate that sounds correct and
impressive usually gets the employment compared to the candidate who
does not sound correct [private sector employers]. That is the reason
you find more Civil servants coming from the rural heartland of the
country than from the cities, whereas the private sector is almost
entirely comprised of people fromthe cities.


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Sorry i can neither top-post, not, bottom-post; i can just post as i
use the google groups service for posting
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GrimBold wrote:
<snip interesting bit about spoken and written English in India>

May I say that your English is far better than my Indian? :)
To some extent, American youth are at a disadvantage because they are
typically _required_ to learn only one language (other languages are
typically elective courses). This results in a lesser understanding of
other cultures, less exposure to the concept that other cultures don't
all *think* and *perceive* the same events the same way (my wife, as
middle-American as one can get, could not grasp the concept of why some
Pakistani villagers said they would have helped hide a recently
captured Al-quaeda operative had they known who he was - she had a hard
time conceiving that the villagers might view him as a hero, holy
warrior, or respected religious figure). There is also less exposure
to grammatical structure and how it differs in other languages, and why
it might be important. And because English is their native tongue,
they are less rigorous about learning it, because it "comes naturally".

> ------------
> Sorry i can neither top-post, not, bottom-post; i can just post as i
> use the google groups service for posting
> -------------

Actually, you can (at least in the version I'm looking at) but it's not
as easy as it can be (I also use google groups). Typically, to the
right of the poster name at the top is a link that says "options".
Click on that and select "Reply" from the options, and google will
quote the article to which you are replying. Selecting "Reply" from
underneath the article does not quote the article.

To get back on topic, I'd like to hear other opinions on this module,
if anyone else has tried it. Maybe my tastes are just way different?

I encountered what appears to eventually be a mod-stopping bug in one
area (the reward includes one of the crystals needed to get off the
planet) and will get to the author at the vault via my slow dialup at
home (ugghh) but I skipped that quest for now and am still enjoying it
very much.
 
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Manky Badger wrote:

>
> "Arturus Magi" <sailorleo@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:427f2da3_1@x-privat.org...
> >
> > Lack of respect for teachers in general
>
> In the UK they get all the contempt they deserve.
>
> To quot a single example of the myriad problems I've had with the
> school, I had one teacher bleating about my son's bad behaviour, but
> would in no way punish the boy. When I suggested grounding the boy
> for a day or so this same teacher threatened to report me to social
> services for abuse and cruelty.

I'm not in a position speak for the UK, but here in the US, they
literally *can't* use any form of discipline other than sending the
student to detention or suspending them (in public schools...private
institutions have a lot more leeway), and in 90% of the cases that's
even worse than doing nothing. Most children want to get out of
school, and the teachers are forced to play along with them by force of
law.
 
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Manky Badger wrote:

>
> "Maxon" <jen.magson@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news😀GOfe.76$RJ6.74@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> > I think my comment stands then.
>
> Equally as cryptic ?
>

In other words, this is a two way street. Teachers, and professionals
in general, that don't get any respect usually will not bother trying
to earn it, because it's already a battle on two fronts, both of which
have a lot more leverage than they do.
 
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