I returned my 8400 today!!!!

[Grimmy]

Dude, read what he said. I can only extrapolate from his posts. He says it has heat problems, someone else says its a temp prob problem. I don't know, i don't own one, but giving them the benefit of the doubt, id say he has the most experience with the E8400, being the only person here who has had one. Also, the store where he returned it said to him they have gotten a lot back, so its not an isolated incident. That is all.

Dude?? what store?? He didn't say... or at least I don't see it.

I don't own one, but I do have an E4400 which is on a bigger die, but have an understand on how people get temps mixed up.

So how do you know if its not an isolated incident, when he doesn't say what store?

 

[Eternal]

Heh.. all he (eternal) had to do was return it for another. And keep doing that till he got one the worked properly. That might have been a hassle, but I would see people doing the same for the phenom chip.

But now this guy had changed his avatar to AMD, and just took it off, since he claims this is not a fanboyism thread, and has, or seems to have a brand new spanking 6400+ system. Yeee haaaa!!

He could have just got a Q6600, and got more accurate temps and complain how high they get.

I've said that Intel and AMD are the same. They both want your money.. and attention. See now AMD has hurt Intels feelings for getting all the bug attention.. now it's their turn. 😗

I didnt build around the 6400+ I already had it, I upgraded to the 8400 thinking I wouldnt get burned by Intel, too bad that didnt happen. Oh well I bought a Asus AM2+ plus board so we will see what the new phenoms have to offer hopefully something good. I dont trust these new Intel chips at the moment buyer beware.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Thanatos421]

Do you own an intel or AMD chip that was made in the last 5 years??

Thought so, you are guilty as well. We can complain about it all day long, until we're blue in the face. Do you think intel or AMD care? No, they leave it up to us to figure it out. Which isn't terribly difficult.

If you think that the first time you plugged your newly built computer in and read what CoreTemp told you to be 100% accurate, then you are dead wrong. This time it's just a little more scary to the noobs because instead of reporting lower than actual, its higher and OMG ITS GONNA MELT. Do some math and figure it out for yourself. Quit being such dependant wimps. Sack up, and use your brain!

 

[yomamafor1]

 

[Grimmy]

I didnt build around the 6400+ I already had it, I upgraded to the 8400 thinking I wouldnt get burned by Intel, too bad that didnt happen. Oh well I bought a Asus AM2+ plus board so we will see what the new phenoms have to offer hopefully something good. I dont trust these new Intel chips at the moment buyer beware.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh gawd... You know, if I had a 6400+ system... I wouldn't have even bothered to get an E8400 system.

When you returned the E8400, was it a CPU/MB combo?

So now your an AMD/Intel person? (avatar)

Kinda strange how your other thread doesn't even speak about the spec's on your E8400 system.

Edit:

What store did you get you stuff from?

 

[SGTHACK]

Who really cares? Old news..................

 

[Eternal]

Oh gawd... You know, if I had a 6400+ system... I wouldn't have even bothered to get an E8400 system.


Edit
What store did you get you stuff from?

Frys electronics.

Do you own an intel or AMD chip that was made in the last 5 years??

Thought so, you are guilty as well. We can complain about it all day long, until we're blue in the face. Do you think intel or AMD care? No, they leave it up to us to figure it out. Which isn't terribly difficult.

If you think that the first time you plugged your newly built computer in and read what CoreTemp told you to be 100% accurate, then you are dead wrong. This time it's just a little more scary to the noobs because instead of reporting lower than actual, its higher and OMG ITS GONNA MELT. Do some math and figure it out for yourself. Quit being such dependant wimps. Sack up, and use your brain!

^^ Im not gonna suck it up on behalf that people dont want to admit that intel released a bad chip they might have known about, and that the possible reason that they have pushed their other chips back was because of this bullcrap.All we ask for as consumers is to get what we paid for, not to sell us faulty cpu's in order to increase profits, both companies are now guilty as charged. Intel is pushing out these faulty 8400 chips to make a quick buck, you know it and I know it.

 

[jbj190]

Hah, Intel's only responsibility as a CPU manufacturer is to uphold the guarantee that their CPUs will run at the stock settings for at least 3 years.

 

[SGTHACK]

you overclock at your own risk......read the fine print on the box.

 

[Thanatos421]

Intel is pushing out these faulty 8400 chips to make a quick buck, you know it and I know it.

No, you THINK you know it. That's the whole problem here. The CPU core of the E8xxx chips are perfectly functional, in fact, one of the best Intel has made to date. A faulty sensor isn't the end of the world. Like I said, they've always been flakey even at their most precise moments.

 

[Eternal]

No, you THINK you know it. That's the whole problem here. The CPU core of the E8xxx chips are perfectly functional, in fact, one of the best Intel has made to date. A faulty sensor isn't the end of the world. Like I said, they've always been flakey even at their most precise moments.

Wrong this chip is Not perfectly functional!!!! The thermal diode on-board these processors is broken it is a bad chip. Further the processor can cause and trick the motherboard into not turning the fan speed up high enough when needed.

The phenom works perfectly also except of the errata that happens during virtualization, an errata that no one will ever actually experience, its not the end of the world. Yeah right, give me a break why are you trying to defend a faulty chip??? If we dont demand companies to stop selling us faulty chips, they will continue to, hence what happened with the phenom and why Intel thinks they can get away with it also.

 

[yomamafor1]

I returned my 8400 today and the guy at the store said more than half of the 8400 chips where being returned because of heat problems. Damn Intel for selling defective chips to their customers and trying to pretend there is nothing wrong. Money, Money, Money!!! is all they care about.

Dont buy the 8400 wait for the Next stepping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?51419

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/01/heat-probs-reported-intel

Dang.... I am looking for an E8400 to be in a Shuffle mobile gaming platform. You could've sold it to me, and I can overclock it with the proper knowledge and equipment 😉

[offtopic] Now I come to think of it, Phenom was such a horrible CPU launch. Although only a few, people still have problem running that chip at stock.

 

[Eternal]

Dang.... I am looking for an E8400 to be in a Shuffle mobile gaming platform. You could've sold it to me, and I can overclock it with the proper knowledge and equipment 😉

If you want to give away your money, I am accepting donations. I can sell you a refrigerator that might keep your food cold maybe, maybe not but its made by intel so Im sure you would buy it. 😀

 

[SGTHACK]

OMG, FLAME WAR....Let me get my popcorn....................

 

[yomamafor1]

If you want to give away your money, I am accepting donations. I can sell you a refrigerator that might keep your food cold maybe, maybe not but its made by intel so Im sure you would buy it. 😀

Well I really need a fast, yet very efficient dual core to power the gaming box, as I was thinking of water cooling two HD3870 in there.

What could be better than a chip running at 3.6Ghz with less than 100W?


I have a question for you though. Did the chip really overheated, or did the chip just start throttling itself? The temperature diode on die is not "broken", but incompatible with the current motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update in order to rectify the problem.

 

[Thanatos421]

LOL, you like sticking to your "you must be a fanboi" arguement don't you. Let me let you in on a little secret.....

THIS IS AN ENTHUSIAST FORUM. There are some exceptions, but most of us here know what we're doing. We don't let a faulty sensor get our panties in a bunch. We aren't worried that the fan will spin up rapidly because most of us use aftermarket coolers because we know Intel stock coolers are crap. We plug our fans into our power supplies or even disable the q-fan crap that barely works anyway. You are preaching to the wrong choir my friend.

 

[Grimmy]

Frys electronics..

Fry's eh?

Funny how Fry's website doesn't show E8400 in the list of CPU's. I mean most places would list it, but say out of stock.

Frys.com

But whateveah... I could say I had a phenom system yesterday, and took it back because one of the cores fell off its native design.

😳

 

[yomamafor1]

This is from Intel's own documentary:
http://download.intel.com/design/processor/specupdt/31873303.pdf

AW30. Programming the Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) Threshold May Cause
Unexpected Thermal Interrupts
Problem: Software can enable DTS thermal interrupts by programming the thermal
threshold and setting the respective thermal interrupt enable bit. When
programming DTS value, the previous DTS threshold may be crossed. This
will generate an unexpected thermal interrupt.
Implication: Software may observe an unexpected thermal interrupt occur after
reprogramming the thermal threshold.
Workaround: In the ACPI/OS implement a workaround by temporarily disabling the DTS
threshold interrupt before updating the DTS threshold value.
Status: For the steppings affected, see the Summary Tables of Changes.

Courtesy of Spud, who posted this earlier.

So in other words, Intel does inform the public about such errata, but most Average Joe users just don't care enough to look through these white papers.

 

[funnyman06]

l the people returning them because they are "hot" are the same people who have no business building and overclocking in the first place. At the first sign of something funny happening (which always happens) they panic and RMA.

I agree completely with this. Overclocking has gotten easier and easier, and people who don't necessarily have the ability or knowledge are trying something which used to be reserved for people like us, people with higher than normal technical ability. But when something isnt working correctly i dont blame them for returning it. If they temp is in fact reading high, then there is a flaw and these are not perfectly good CPU's.

 

[zenmaster]

I did an exact phrase search on google "E8400 heat problems" and got 59 hits. Of course some of the hits I am sure are repeats. But it is being talked about so there must be some issue.

That is a fraction of the reported Elvis Sightings over the same time period.
No, I'm not doubting somebody, somewhere, had a heat sensor issue on an E8400.

But when there are only 59 hits, it's a sign there is actually NOT an issue in general.
There would be 1,000s or 10,000s of reports if there was any such problem.
NewEgg 0 hits? All those posters who claim OC's and show as having bought the product are lying?
All the Review Sites who have not run across one of those CPUs are lying?

Now, you have a poster who creates an ID with only the AMD Logo and then posts with a new account
instead of using an old account which is likely tied to AMD Fanboyism, I'm supposed to believe his post?

I have a bridge to sell you.

Now, this is not to say you may never find a CPU with a bad thermal sensor, but the odds are very slim at best and not the story the poster told, which is one of complete fiction.

 

[thunderman]

More Intel Evil practices uncovered and exposed. At least AMD were honest with their customers about the Phenom Quad bug....which by the way will unlikely effect the average home desktop user anyway. Defective heat censors may just help kill a CPU.... shame on Intel, shame on them. AMD never lie like Intel and care about customers, AMD are the small hardworking business while Intel are the evil corporate giant.

I'm the unofficial AMD fan leader! AMD for honesty! AMD for Technological advances! Intel are evil! AMD fans rise up!

AMD4Eternity!!

 

[yomamafor1]

Looks like Caasma retracted his statement... :lol:

Anyway, googling AMD Phenom's BSOD message "A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor within an allocated time. Error 0x101" turned up 60 results.

So, using your logic, this must also be an issue, no?

 

[funnyman06]

Grimmy, you said: Dude?? what store?? He didn't say... or at least I don't see it.

eternal said: I returned my 8400 today and the guy at the store said more than half of the 8400 chips where being returned because of heat problems

I don't own one, but I do have an E4400 which is on a bigger die, but have an understand on how people get temps mixed up.

My brother owns a E2140 that i OCed to 2.66, looking at the core temp, i find it really easy to see what the CPU temp is. It says it right there Core0: XX; Core1: XX. So im not new to the Core 2 Duo, or the programs used to read the temps. This is why i find it hard to believe that people can get this stuff mixed up.

Also i could very easily agree this is a fanboy in sheeps clothing. It would make more sense, but intel did release that document about the interrupt. And i would agree that if all it takes is a bios fix to create support its not intels fault. But if it really is not working correctly, then there is in fact a problem.

 

[someguy7]

Hey thunderpants. Intel has the problem listed in its errata list you tard.

AMD really cared and told the truth to its loyal supports with its QFX platform. Where is the continued support for that joke of system?

 

[roadrunner197069]

Everyone I saw crying about temps was someone who overclocked. Intel doesnt promote overclocking. If they wanted to sell a 4.0 chip they would. Running 4.0 is risky and thats why Intel doesnt bump the stock speed. If you run it stock your fine. AMD Phenom your lucky if you post "stock"