I returned my 8400 today!!!!

[jimmysmitty]

No, you THINK you know it. That's the whole problem here. The CPU core of the E8xxx chips are perfectly functional, in fact, one of the best Intel has made to date. A faulty sensor isn't the end of the world. Like I said, they've always been flakey even at their most precise moments.

I think what it is, if I read it correctly at Intels site(yes you can read about it), is that the software will be caused to read the temperatures wrong.

So this whole hussle and bussle could just be that the software is not reading it correctly kinda like Speedfan dropping 15c from the Q6600 GO's.

As for seeing how Phenom is having their own issues and they haven't recalled them/replaced them, the ones with bad cores, they are just as bad.

I just love how big a deal people make out of this. It could possible be the mobo or software but instead pin Intel.

Also they didn't delay the Q9xxx for that. They delayed it for other reasons. If it was this cause it would have effected the QX9650 as well as the E8500 both of which have not been effected.

 

[funnyman06]

Everyone I saw crying about temps was someone who overclocked. Intel doesn't promote overclocking. If they wanted to sell a 4.0 chip they would. Running 4.0 is risky and thats why Intel doesn't bump the stock speed. If you run it stock your fine. AMD Phenom your lucky if you post "stock"

Its not about overclocking, its about the CPU working like it is supposed to. If it doesn't work, then it is broken.

I personally care about it because i use this info when i overclock.

 

[Grimmy]

My brother owns a E2140 that i OCed to 2.66, looking at the core temp, i find it really easy to see what the CPU temp is. It says it right there Core0: XX; Core1: XX. So im not new to the Core 2 Duo, or the programs used to read the temps. This is why i find it hard to believe that people can get this stuff mixed up.

If you want a good example, read the post eternal thunderpants did here:

8400 Perfect Sensor its the applications that are wrong??????

Bah.. I'll quote it:

I have read alot about people over clocking this great chip to 4.0ghz, I bought it and its hands down this best chip I have ever owned, 45nm 3.0ghz and cool. The motherboard reads the sensor correctly at 28-29 degrees on idle, but the stupid applications cant read the sensor correctly they read it at 42-44 degrees?? Is there anyway I can get an application that is up to date so that the correct temperature is read, because I don't think there is a problem with the chip itself rather its the applications that need to be updated to the particular chip. The motherboard reads it correctly in bios and since so many of us just got it people havent adjusted the applications yet I think??? Anyone have any ideas because I would like to over clock with the correct temperature showing and core temp is incorrect. Could it be that the applications just cant read the 45nm correctly???? Is there any real proof it is the chip itself since the motherboard reads the temps correctly??

You need to be more clear.

C2D... have 3 sensors. Your bios is going to read the Tcase sensor (one sensor in between the cores).

Then there's the Tjunction temps off the core dies themselves. So the other 2 are on the cores, that read digital.

When you use an app.. like CoreTemp, its going to show you the Tjunction temps which will be hotter then the Tcase temp.

And so, if you have the MB utility app, its going to show the Tcase temp, like the bios.

^^
So then basically what your saying is the Tcase sensor is not the atcual temp of the cores and I should rely on the Tjunction temps reading, got it understood. So that being said my Tcase temp runs 28-29 degrees and the individual cores run 41-42 on idle according to core temp with a Zalman, and arctic silver 5 on them and yes I reseated the cpu and tried another fan. So my question is, has intel acknowledged that the cpu sensors are off on this chip and do you think their will be maybe a bios update to fix this problem im hoping??? These these chips are absolutely immaculate at 65w I love saving power and getting performance like this. I know this is mainly just an over clockers problem and it will not affect the performance of the chip, but it would be nice to have them somehow fix it at least through bios not affecting performance of course.

I even explained to him about the 3 sensors. Do you understand the Thermal Spec and Tjunction Max temps?

Edit:

So if he did buy a E8400, he RMA'd a good CPU. Those temps are fine in his 1st post.

 

[ZozZoz]

Yeah buddy. Keep on keeping on. That'll show 'em (those Intel bastardos).

Seriously. How do you expect a 45nm chip to have heat issues?

 

[LukeBird]

At least we're not all being childish and seeing who can shout the loudest 😉
I mean that would be really, really immature! :lol: :lol:
Drop it kids; OP has explained why he has (rightly or wrongly - I won't comment as I don't have one!) RMA'd his and that, should surely be the end of it?

 

[SpinachEater]

Booya, I knew this thread was going to be brutal. I could tell a fist fight was going to break out just by the title.

<munching on popcorn and sitting on the sidelines waiting for the AMD vs Intel cage match to start 😗 >

 

[funnyman06]

I guess maybe my definition of running hot and his is very different, i would never consider 40 something C as hot. He obviously never owned a Prescott, where seeing the CPU at 70 C is not uncommon. Haveing 2 different temps shown isn't a problem, they are off from eachother maybe 10 15 degrees. What we were talking about is it being like 50 C off. Thats a big deal. If i saw my CPU at 70 instead of 20 id do the same. But i would look in the bios first. And also look for any bios updates.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

TC just fast enough? Who would ever say anything as silly as that

Whoops....................got ya! :lol:

LOL.

Yes, I did say that. But that is a justification for not upgrading.

If I was upgrading I wouldn't care about "fast enough". I would care about Price/Performance ratios within my budgetary constraints/limits.

If I am willing to spend $200-300 on a processor, I wouldn't get a "fast enough" phenom, I'd go with the Q6600, because I'm getting more bang for the buck and a better quality product.


Have a good weekend bro,

 

[Grimmy]

I guess maybe my definition of running hot and his is very different, i would never consider 40 something C as hot. He obviously never owned a Prescott, where seeing the CPU at 70 C is not uncommon. Haveing 2 different temps shown isn't a problem, they are off from eachother maybe 10 15 degrees. What we were talking about is it being like 50 C off. Thats a big deal. If i saw my CPU at 70 instead of 20 id do the same. But i would look in the bios first. And also look for any bios updates.

Heh.. question is, did he actually owned a E8400. I mean would you or anyone get an E8400 setup, if you already had a 6400+ system?

I dunno.. that just, wrong. Thing is, on the other hand, he could have just returned the E8400 for E6750 or E6650 or Q6600, but no... those are prolly flawed too... he can't trust anyone.

But anyhoo... I'm done. Too many people watching... eating popcorn, and burping.. laughing... and and it's annoying.

 

[bats2jm]

Man this tread is funny. Flaming a guy for returning a faulty C.P.U because its a Intel.

 

[funnyman06]

Haha, if I owned a 6400 i wouldnt upgrade. Get more ram and then get a little more. Seems like a better way to spend money. The only thing he can trust is that there are tolerances for everything, and there is no such thing as perfect temps, but there is close, and im happy with close.

 

[Thanatos421]

bats2jm... If you really think that's the reason we were flaming him, then you need to re-read this thread, carefully.

 

[caamsa]

That is a fraction of the reported Elvis Sightings over the same time period.
No, I'm not doubting somebody, somewhere, had a heat sensor issue on an E8400.

But when there are only 59 hits, it's a sign there is actually NOT an issue in general.
There would be 1,000s or 10,000s of reports if there was any such problem.
NewEgg 0 hits? All those posters who claim OC's and show as having bought the product are lying?
All the Review Sites who have not run across one of those CPUs are lying?

Now, you have a poster who creates an ID with only the AMD Logo and then posts with a new account
instead of using an old account which is likely tied to AMD Fanboyism, I'm supposed to believe his post?

I have a bridge to sell you.

Now, this is not to say you may never find a CPU with a bad thermal sensor, but the odds are very slim at best and not the story the poster told, which is one of complete fiction.

Yes I agree with you. I was just trying to find some facts to add to the conversation nothing more. The problem I see is that you have a lot of sites testing this cpu and over clocking the hell out of it and getting amazing results and then your average Joe thinks he can do the same.

Then when it is a problem her gets sour grapes. The thing is, over clocking a cpu is gonna give you different results. If you have 100 E8400 cpu's how many would actually over clock to 4Ghz+....I imagine you would see varying results from very low over clocks to very high and a few in between.

This guy didn't get what he wanted (I mean hell I would have been happy if it ran fine stock) and he gets what is called sour grapes.

 

[caamsa]

Haha, if I owned a 6400 i wouldnt upgrade. Get more ram and then get a little more. Seems like a better way to spend money. The only thing he can trust is that there are tolerances for everything, and there is no such thing as perfect temps, but there is close, and im happy with close.

I agree with you. I am fairly thrifty and people who upgrade from perfectly good systems must have money to burn. My 6000+ still has plenty of life in it. Once my systems wear out their usefulness they are either given to friends or family or donated to a no profit organization.

My plug for the planet 😀 Don't throw your old computer stuff away even if it does not work recycle it.

 

[rallyimprezive]

The chicken pan sausage lifts corn from under the house to enter at your own risk with some barley and hops to make smooth the rocks from which a bring forth orange juice so that I can sell the marble ways of old men to you.

(this thread is worthless)

He returned his proc because he wasnt happy with it. Id do the same. I dont quite understand why some folks are so frustrated with the decision.

 

[SpinachEater]

But anyhoo... I'm done. Too many people watching... eating popcorn, and burping.. laughing... and and it's annoying.

The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on then.

 

[SpinachEater]

(this thread is worthless)

He returned his proc because he wasnt happy with it. Id do the same. I dont quite understand why some folks are so frustrated with the decision.

This is like spitting on the Pope's grave. This is like the guy who smashed the PS3 in front of all of the people who were waiting in line for 3 days to get a PS3. It's the ultimate dis. Wolfdale ain't good enough for this guy...it is all flawed up and he is taking it back. He's taking it back REAL good.

Yeah it is Friday, I'm done now.

 

[jbj190]

Everyone I saw crying about temps was someone who overclocked. Intel doesn't promote overclocking. If they wanted to sell a 4.0 chip they would. Running 4.0 is risky and thats why Intel doesn't bump the stock speed. If you run it stock your fine. AMD Phenom your lucky if you post "stock"

Its not about overclocking, its about the CPU working like it is supposed to. If it doesn't work, then it is broken.

I personally care about it because i use this info when i overclock.

For all intents and purposes, the E8400 works like it's supposed to. It returns 2 for 1+1, it doesn't have defective processing cores, and allows stable system operations. As a safety measure, it will also thermal throttle when it reaches a critical temperature. What's not working as Intel advertised?

 

[Shadow703793]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO A TROLL:

PS: I logged in to RS from about a year ago just to make these screen shot(s). :lol:

 

[jimmysmitty]

Yeah buddy. Keep on keeping on. That'll show 'em (those Intel bastardos).

Seriously. How do you expect a 45nm chip to have heat issues?

Probably AMDs Phenom on their SOI process @ 45nm if clocked too high?

The chicken pan sausage lifts corn from under the house to enter at your own risk with some barley and hops to make smooth the rocks from which a bring forth orange juice so that I can sell the marble ways of old men to you.

(this thread is worthless)

He returned his proc because he wasnt happy with it. Id do the same. I dont quite understand why some folks are so frustrated with the decision.

I think the main thing is this guy showed no specs, didn't try anything and just returned it. When I first got my new PC together and set it all up it would restart randomly while gaming. Turned out I needed to update the BIOS for Q6600 G0 support and set the RAM timings since they were auto set to the wrong specs. After I did that it was all good and I could OC to 3GHz with no voltage increase.

If this guy had told us what he was doing, what he tried and what happened then maybe we would have gone easier but he didn't Just stated it was bad when there have been plenty of people who have gotten the E8400, OC'ed it and not had one problem with the heat.

Kinda like how ragemonkey tried all sorts of things and 2 Phenom BE's before he gave up and gave the details.

 

[yomamafor1]

The chicken pan sausage lifts corn from under the house to enter at your own risk with some barley and hops to make smooth the rocks from which a bring forth orange juice so that I can sell the marble ways of old men to you.

(this thread is worthless)

He returned his proc because he wasnt happy with it. Id do the same. I dont quite understand why some folks are so frustrated with the decision.

Adding to SpinachEater's comments, I'm a little disappointed with the reason he cited for RMAing. This guy overclocked his processor (which sounds like he does not have the necessary components and knowledge to do so), and was dissatisfied with the result, and eventually overheated his processor.

Now, instead of backing down on the overclock, getting a better cooler, getting educated with knowledge essential for overclocking, he simply blamed on Intel for not publicize such error, when in reality, Intel Does publish it in the specification pdf. He's blamming Intel for something, that Intel never guaranteed in the first place.

To add to SE's point, I know a lot of people, including me, want to get their hands on E8400, and enjoy its overclocking / efficiency benefits. Yet people like OP and others return this processor, simply they lack the knowledge about CPU thermal dissipation.

Its like a guy who uses Zalman 8700 to cool his Q6600, and overclock it to 3.6Ghz. When the chip overheated, he blammed on Intel for not publicize thermal diode errata.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Adding to SpinachEater's comments, I'm a little disappointed with the reason he cited for RMAing. This guy overclocked his processor (which sounds like he does not have the necessary components and knowledge to do so), and was dissatisfied with the result, and eventually overheated his processor.

Now, instead of backing down on the overclock, getting a better cooler, getting educated with knowledge essential for overclocking, he simply blamed on Intel for not publicize such error, when in reality, Intel Does publish it in the specification pdf. He's blamming Intel for something, that Intel never guaranteed in the first place.

To add to SE's point, I know a lot of people, including me, want to get their hands on E8400, and enjoy its overclocking / efficiency benefits. Yet people like OP and others return this processor, simply they lack the knowledge about CPU thermal dissipation.

Its like a guy who uses Zalman 8700 to cool his Q6600, and overclock it to 3.6Ghz. When the chip overheated, he blammed on Intel for not publicize thermal diode errata.

The Q6600 has thermal diode errata? I just though SpeedFan dropped 15 from it. And that guy was an idiot yes. The OP, as I said before was just being flammed for not really trying.

Only losers give up OP. Winners never quit.

 

[funnyman06]

FYI, the guy never said he OCed his CPU. It just "ran hot" for a 45 nm CPU.

 

[TonyLee]

Adding to SpinachEater's comments, I'm a little disappointed with the reason he cited for RMAing. This guy overclocked his processor (which sounds like he does not have the necessary components and knowledge to do so), and was dissatisfied with the result, and eventually overheated his processor.

I may have missed it somewhere, but I can't find where this person said anything about overclocking the processor. How do you KNOW that he did? (he may have, but I just didn't see it).

 

[TonyLee]

FYI, the guy never said he OCed his CPU. It just "ran hot" for a 45 nm CPU.

Okay, well he didn't say it then. I saw this post after making my last one.