I5 2500k with 7850 or i3 3220 with 7870

[sulabh biswas]

will the i3 be a bottleneck in the future???which combo will give better performance in gaming?

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

Do you realize that overclock in no way resembles what clock speed the OP can reach, do you not? I wouldn't advice NOBODY to run a CPU at 5 GHz, at least not on a $20 cooler. The review says that the overclocked CPU reached 76°C, and they used a $70 cooler. You'd be lucky to reach half that overclock. Not to mention it uses very much power.

At the very best case scenario, I would expect FX 6300 to match i3-3220. However, do you think it's wise to pay 40% more for a six cores and new architecture? That's just names, as they have no gains in real world scenarios.

A $50 cooler will easily reach 5ghz (nzxt havik 140) and seriously lucky to reach 4.2? Haha they even label the Fx-6300 to get 4.1 turbo.Do you know how well the Fx series overclocks? 4.5 would be easily reachable with a hyper 212plus, and would still out perform the I3. A OC of 4.0 GHz would match the I3.

Still you get better performance than the I3 in gaming and huge increase in other tasks. For around the same price as the I5-2500k+7850 (OP original choice) you get a 7870 and a better processor than the I3. You can't prove to me the I3 is better. I rest my case.

 

[dheeraj9933]

i dont want to insult anyone but here is wat is think....
a fx 6300 20$ more, the cheapest cooler u suggest is 50$ more and of course a better mobo too, since not all can OC.
u r asking him to spend ~90$ more!!
for that he can get an i5 too,
which without OC a non-k model performs better than the highly OC fx 6300
according to the benchmarks U gave!!

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

$90? No. Let me break it down for you. If he was going to get an I5-2500k with a 7850 he'd be spending around $400. The fx-6300+ hyper 212plus($20) with 7870 he'd be spending around $400. So the same price, for a better GPU and a processor that beats the I3 and shadows the the I5 in other tasks. The I3 is $40 less than those two choices. Youre saving $40 for less performance. If he's deciding between an I5 + 7850 and an I3-3220 + 7870, the better choice is a 7870 with the Fx-6300.

Either way its his decision but my point in all this is that the I3 is inferioir to the FX-6300.


*Give or take $15 on both those sums*

 

[dheeraj9933]

wat about the mobo?
it cant be a cheap one

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

Define cheap? We don't have a price range to refer to. But an ASRock 970 would suffice at $70

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

If you are from India then its the best for the money.
If you are not then also consider these parts.

i3 3220
http://www.flipkart.com/intel-i3-3220/p/itmdeus8hzz5mnfh?pid=PSRDEUR2HEEGFCWR&ref=74c69b60-725b-483f-b80c-e57a2fc929de
MSI GTX 660 TF III OC
http://www.flipkart.com/msi-nvidia-n660-tf-2gd5-oc-2-gb-gddr5-graphics-card/p/itmdeh4w3nugtu8s?pid=GRCDEH4WN9NA5NRN&otracker=from-search&srno=t_1&query=msi+tf+660&ref=ec402116-c740-4c67-8f7b-770078e09680
Mobo- Not meant for OC or SLI. Just enough to run your PC and you'll save some money. Will X-fire.
http://www.flipkart.com/msi-b75ma-e33-motherboard/p/itmdezctvg8dvktv?pid=MBDDEZ2WKDFVHZZM&ref=9103782d-c877-4269-b32d-0fe468bb8654
Corsair 600w PSU
http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-cmpsu-600cxv2uk-600-watts-psu/p/itmd5xz4qhbpvvzk?pid=PSUD5XZ4EFXTQNG7&query=corsair+600w&srno=m_1_3&ref=fd7604e8-8e28-460c-83f8-f4640f5e1dd9&otracker=from-search&ref=fd7604e8-8e28-460c-83f8-f4640f5e1dd9

 

[Sunius]

^

Good choice.

@GhostFaceKilla: you're a lost cause. I'll stop arguing will you because you seem to ignore all the arguments I write.

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

^

Good choice.

@GhostFaceKilla: you're a lost cause. I'll stop arguing will you because you seem to ignore all the arguments I write.

Every argument you wrote I countered with evidence behind it. You're out of comebacks. You've not proven that the I3 is better. I've proven the Fx-6300 is far better than the I3. Statistics > Opinions.

Your strongest argument is that the I3 + 7870 is $40 less. Where as if the budget is around $400 (I5+7850 = $385-$415) you're getting less performance for $40 savings. Fx6300 + heatsink + 7870 = $400. You could get a $50 heatsink with a 7870 at newegg right now for $400. Easy OC

You stated before "I would EXPECT at best the Fx6300 would match the I3." So your GUESSING that it wouldn't surpass the I3. Here's the numbers and your "guess" Is wrong
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review-17.html

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

Found this in the Forum:
Maybe Helpful

One consideration that many take into account with the i3 recommendation is that you always upgrade the same system to a much more capable i5 or i7 system by only changing the CPU.

With the AMD route, even going to the highest end FX CPU can't keep up in terms of raw performance as compared to the possibility of eventually going with a future i5/i7 plan.

Regardless, the FX-6300 is a very good CPU and will exceed the needs of many users. It is a solid choice for many.

I'd say get FX 6300. My friend has one and his PC has no problems and fast.
Well I don't know if 6 cores matters.

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

Found this in the Forum:
Maybe Helpful

One consideration that many take into account with the i3 recommendation is that you always upgrade the same system to a much more capable i5 or i7 system by only changing the CPU.

With the AMD route, even going to the highest end FX CPU can't keep up in terms of raw performance as compared to the possibility of eventually going with a future i5/i7 plan.

Regardless, the FX-6300 is a very good CPU and will exceed the needs of many users. It is a solid choice for many.

I'd say get FX 6300. My friend has one and his PC has no problems and fast.
Well I don't know if 6 cores matters.

Very true but by the time he would most likely upgrade AMD Steamroller will be out. And if I'm not mistaken Steamroller will be AM3+ which will match (might even surpass) the I5s.

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

But remember One thing, Whatever you choose (FX or i3) They'll bot give almost same performance.
But with FX having 6 cores gains advantage in Non-Gaming. Like Photoshop.

 

[Sunius]

You stated before "I would EXPECT at best the Fx6300 would match the I3." So your GUESSING that it wouldn't surpass the I3. Here's the numbers and your "guess" Is wrong
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review-17.html

That's the third time you're linking the same page. I told you twice already that you won't hit 5 GHz. GL with that. That isn't a proof that FX 6300 is better for an average user.

And I'm not out of arguments. And you didn't counter anything at all - you provided no proof whatsoever.

 

[GhostFaceKilla]

That's the third time you're linking the same page. I told you twice already that you won't hit 5 GHz. GL with that. That isn't a proof that FX 6300 is better for an average user.

And I'm not out of arguments. And you didn't counter anything at all - you provided no proof whatsoever.

I think you're in denial.

At 4.8Ghz with air cooling it gained 15 fps from stock speed. That's a little more than 1fps per 100Mhz. Do the math, you'd only need 4.0 GHz to match the I3. Anything more is profit. You wouldn't have to try at all to get the minimum 4.0Ghz with the FX series using an aftermarket cooler. Even a hyper212. After that youre not limited with performance outside of gaming. Even if other tasks aren't OPs priority. Numbers show it's an all around better choice than the I3. The benchmarks prove themselves.

Also let me know whatever statement you've had that I havnt brought to attention so I can clear it up for you.

 

[Sunius]

Okay, you hit 4.2 GHz. That's 3 fps more than i3. However, you paid 40% extra for it. Plus, in that way, you have $45 less for the graphics card. How is that a good deal?

I'm not in denial. You're the one who cannot see the bigger picture :>.

 

[sulabh biswas]

Bro i cant get the sapphire 7950 for the same price as 7870 or 660ti
.So the question is would there be significant bottleneck with an i3 3220 at 1920x1080?would i be able to get 50-60fps?

 

[sulabh biswas]

Will i3 3220 bottleneck 7950 at 1920x1080?would the bottleneck be significant?can the combo manage to get me 55-60fps at 1920x1080?

 

[alvine]

you should get at least an quad core i5 for 7950 and not a dual core man

 

[andrewcarr]

Not really.

But the long answer is that in most games it won't. But in games that require more CPU power it will. For example in BF3 multiplayer the FPS will take a hit vs solo or the performance an i5 would have.

Normally you should achieve your FPS goal dependent on settings (might not be possible if you max out AA in games).

 

[Sakkura]

OP, isn't it enough with one neverending thread about this?

I would, again, recommend a Core i5 with a cheaper graphics card. Not because performance will be better today, but because a simple graphics card upgrade in the future will then be enough to have a great gaming system. With a Core i3-3220 you'd be held back.

 

[Robert Pankiw]

You question entirely depends on which game you want to play, and the settings.

Multiplayer games with 40-64 players on map would prefer to have quad core over dual core. If you only expect to have a small (very) number of other players, the i3 is fine. It also seriously depends on which settings at 1080p you want to use. There are graphically demanding settings that don't stress the CPU (But using a preset usually assumes you have decent CPU, and thus will stress it).
Personally, I would try to go to any i5 (Regular Voltage) over any i3.

On that note, AMD has competent quad (and hex) core CPUs for decent prices (irrelevant if you already have an intel motherboard).

That being said, according to this the i3 3220 gets plenty of frames in Metro 2033, CIV 5, Dirt 3 and Crysis, but multiplayer is where the real killer is for a processor.

On Newegg.ca, the i3 is $130 and a competent i5 3450 is $195 (Both Canadian dollars). The price difference isn't a heck of a lot, and in my opinion, is worth the extra cost.

 

[sulabh biswas]

OP, isn't it enough with one neverending thread about this?

I would, again, recommend a Core i5 with a cheaper graphics card. Not because performance will be better today, but because a simple graphics card upgrade in the future will then be enough to have a great gaming system. With a Core i3-3220 you'd be held back.

sorry but i thought new thread would get more replies..i m new here.. 🙁

 

[sulabh biswas]

benchmarks any1?

 

[Mousemonkey]

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■ Will i3 3220 bottleneck 7950 at 1920x1080?

 

[Sunius]

sorry but i thought new thread would get more replies..i m new here.. 🙁

Aren't 65+ replies enough for you?

 

[sulabh biswas]

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