i5-3570 (non K) and best GPU for it

[l1psuun]

Hi!

I'm upgrading my PC from old i3-2100 and nvidia GT520. Those are my main goals. I want to buy a new PSU aswell, because I've got a chinese bomb in my case right now My RAM is double 4GB from Goodram, and its frequency is 1333MHz.

I decided to buy i5-3570 and a Z75 or Z68 motherboard, because it is cheaper. A new PSU will be EVGA 500B and RAM is going to be from Corsair, model XMS3 and I'll make it quad 4GB.

The hardest question for me, which GPU should I buy? It can be used or new, doesnt matter. I thought about GTX 970 or GTX 1050 Ti.

 

[clutchc]

The 970 if those are your only choices. But My old Dell Optiplex 9010 (i5-3570) has a GTX 1060 6GB in it and performs outstanding.

 

[Karadjgne]

If you are going with a Z rated board, might as well try for an i7-3770K and really get some use out of the Ivy Bridge.

 

[songoku619]

Z rated boards are for K (unlocked multiplier) chips. Go for an H77 instead and save some money as you won't be over clocking that CPU.

If you want to save a bit on the CPU the i5 3470 is cheaper and performs about the same.

As for the GPU I'd suggest an RX570/580 or gtx 1060 as stated above. These are vastly better cards and if you can accommodate it in your budget (save by making the other choices I've suggested) I'd HIGHLY recommend it. Its also a little pointless to go higher than this as you will then have bottle necking issues. So it's a good fit for the CPU.

RAM I'd suggest going in for the corsair vengeance series instead of the XMS3. You don't really need 16gb right now. Perhaps get 8gb and upgrade if you need to in the future.

 

[l1psuun]

1. If I buy i5-3570 I'm definitely going to overclock it a bit to have 4.0GHz. That's why I wanted Z rated board. I read that I could overclock on a B rated board.
2. The i7-3770k is half of my budget
3. Ohh, I forgot that I really want to pay as little as possible to get good preformance. I found those used Corsair's XMS3 just for ~$33. In my country (Poland ) used 16GB RAM is for $100-$130.
4. Sorry for not writing about my budget, but is hard to me to calculate PLN to USD, and PC components' prices are really different in various countries.
5. Right now I've got ASUS P8H67-M motherboard
6. I thought screenshots from HWiNFO will help:
https://imgur.com/WY7mCYV - mobo
https://imgur.com/iyVsosU - cpu
https://imgur.com/JGPBQSB - gpu
https://imgur.com/iBIg6Ge - summary
EDIT:
A moment ago I read that I can OC a bit on my MOBO, so have I to buy a new motherboard?

 

[Karadjgne]

Can only OC a K cpu, on a Z board. You can use either cpu on any board, the K cpus have higher stock clocks, and you can get a little boost on Ivy-Bridge cpus by multiplier, but not really anything past the turbo settings.

There's a significant difference between an i5-3570k and an i7-3770K, I own both, and it's mostly on games like GTA5, mmorpgs etc that have a definite use for more than 4 threads. While Ivy-Bridge is still a viable gaming platform, most games recently are more designed with skylake IPC in mind, so any performance boost on Sandy-Bridge/Ivy-Bridge/Haswell cpus can help with game mechanics.

If you want OC, you need a K/Z, and there's not much point in hamstringing yourself with a quad thread cpu. That means a i7-3770k, i7-4770k, i7-4790k at a minimum. Anything else is a waste of your time and money.

 

[Tolis_GR]

I don't think you can oc on H chipset. Maybe it will allow small bclk oc which is not recommended and usually corrupts files. With Z mobo it will oc your chip +4 bins above maximum turbo frequency. It's actually turbo boost oc. You can save up by leaving the ram alone for the time. 8gb can work with this setup just fine and frequency is not that crucial on intel. Invest more in cpu, i use i7 3770 non K at 4.4 with small extra oc on bclk and it's absolutely powerful. 810 points on Cinebench R15, competing i7 6700s.

 

[l1psuun]

Okay, so I'll give up with RAMs and I'm going to focus on mobo or better cpu. I found a used MSI-Z77A-G43 for 290PLN ($77) and it's the cheapest I found on a legit website, used i7-3770 non-K with 12 months warranty for 510PLN ($135). At this moment my budget is 710 PLN ($189), but I will sell a few things and parts from my PC and I hope I'll have 1300-1700PLN ($345-$452). After upgrading those main parts of PC I want to buy GPU, an SSD and a case (probably Regnum RG1).

 

[songoku619]

May I ask what's your primary usage going to be on this build? Just seems to me as if you're focussing more on the CPU/Ram more than the GPU

 

[l1psuun]

Hmm, I'm a player, but I play games that mostly use CPU, like Cities: Skylines. I'm going to play GTA5 and some Battlefield, CS, etc.

 

[songoku619]

You're going to run into GPU bottlenecks way before CPU bottlenecks. There may be CPU heavy games but that doesn't take any load off the GPU. You'll still need a good GPU. There aren't really games that "mostly use CPU" as opposed to GPU. They aren't interchangeable devices.

 

[Karadjgne]

Gtx970/980/1050ti/1060-3/1060-6, Rx570/580, R9 390/390x.

Any one will be decent, but the higher grade cards will be better overall.

 

[l1psuun]

I want to build a pc that I'll use at least 4-5 years, but at the moment/in this year I can't afford high-end GPUs or CPUs.

 

[Karadjgne]

Ivy-Bridge came out halfway through 2012. It's now halfway through 2018. That whole line of tech is now 6 years old. It's not a car. There are no possible upgrades to make the cpu stronger, faster, better, it is what it is. 6 year old tech. Is it OK for now? Sure, but it's a fools errand to buy something that realistically old and expect it to be viable in 5 years.

 

[l1psuun]

Okay I understand.

Edit:
What about haswell? Is there something that will give me good performance for couple of years? I'm a casual player and I don't need much.

 

[Karadjgne]

You'll find a much greater variety of stuff in the Haswell range. Lga1150 is only now being replaced more widely, and can even still be bought new at decent prices. Lga1155 is old enough that it's prices are regulated by supply and demand, there's not much demand and even less supply, so prices remain rediculously high for its ability.

I'd be looking at lga1150 for sure, it's the last of the DDR3 generation, so ram is far cheaper used as ppl dump it for DDR4, same with cpus and mobo's.

 

[l1psuun]

I was thinking about i5-4460/i5-4570, is it a good choice? And a motherboard for it will be MSI Z87-02, because I found one in good price.

 

[Karadjgne]

If looking to get 4-5 years, I'd most certainly be looking at any of the i7's and that includes the Xeon 1230v3 to 1270v3 range. Possibly the longest lifespan will be gotten from a i7-4790k, it's stock speeds of 4.4GHz can handle anything thrown at it with far better results than a 4570, even for less than 4 thread apps. A Z97 would open up options not available on the Z87 platform unless you get lucky and get one with an updated bios.

 

[l1psuun]

I'm afraid I can't afford this i7. It's three times more expensive than i5. I could buy this one https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z97X-Gaming-7-rev-10#ov . I found one with one defect - broken ethernet socket, but it's not a problem.