i5 4670 or Xeon E3 1230 V2

[dannylivesforher]

Hi guys,I'm confused as to which one I should go forward with. I'm inclined towards the i5. But I find that the Xeon has some good numbers in benchmarking. But it's a little bit old in comparison to the haswell i5,and moreover it's a server CPU. So I was wondering if I'd benefit anything from the Xeon in nothing but gaming. Please tell me about the advantages of i5 over the Xeon,if any.
Thanks.

 

[thdarkshadow]

Glad at least a few people know what they are talking about... In multiplayer situations such as the often mentioned battlefield 4 32-64 player maps the hyperthreading will make a difference. The lower 69w tdp is also good. And its just 230 for it making the hyperthreading cost at most $30 which is well worth it IMO especially if you do anything outside of gaming. If all you do is offline gaming i doubt you'll see a difference but hyperthreading never hurts and it tends to drop CPU usage down some even in not highly threaded games. Less stress on the CPU is something good. I would buy the Xeon over the i5 and that's probably what I will do at some point to upgrade my system

 

[DeathAndPain]

The i5 is a nice chip, but Xeon 1230v2 will outlast a locked i5 in the long run.

That's why it is more expensive.

I wouldn't consider any i5 unless it is a k series chip.

That's how preferences differ. I would never consider a K-series chip because it means ditching the most valuable new features of Haswell, the power-saving features. They do not seem to mean much to a desktop CPU, but I have sat in a room before in summer with an AMD CPU blowing its additional heat into an already hot room. I don't care whether the hardware can handle it - I do not want to handle it with my human body! I do not want to pay the higher electricity bill either. And finally, I do not want to mess with expensive or noisy cooling solutions that come as another consequence - both for the CPU and for the case into which the additional heat is being blown.

Part of the virtualization features are disabled in the K variants, too.

Also remember that the additional clock speed from overclocking does not come for free. The K variant of the same CPU is more expensive, and you need the Z87 chipset that can easily make the mainboard 40-50% more expensive. The illusion that overclocking means additional speed at no cost originates from the good old times. At first Intel reacted by doing their best to prevent it, introducing locked clock speeds. Now they are smarter and let people have it, tricking them into the illusion that the gain is still free while actually charging them for it.

No, K processors are no option for me. With that money I would rather go a full step upwards and get a Xeon at same clock speed, full power-saving features, full virtualization and guaranteed stability. Way more value for the added money IMHO.

 

[DeathAndPain]

Glad at least a few people know what they are talking about... [snip]... The lower 69w tdp is also good.

If you belonged to them, you would know that the 69W TDP is bs and that Haswell Xeons have a TDP of 80-84W (except a few low-power-Xeons for cramped cases that operate at considerably lower clock speeds).

 

[rolli59]

Glad at least a few people know what they are talking about... [snip]... The lower 69w tdp is also good.

If you belonged to them, you would know that the 69W TDP is bs and that Haswell Xeons have a TDP of 80-84W (except a few low-power-Xeons for cramped cases that operate at considerably lower clock speeds).

It is the IB Xeon under discussion here http://ark.intel.com/products/65732/

 

[DeathAndPain]

Well going back one CPU generation sure is no good approach to make the system more future-proof. I am being puzzled again and again how people keep recommending the obsolete stuff. Ivy production ended half a year ago, and still people keep recommending them for new systems.

 

[dannylivesforher]

DeathAndPain said:
I do not know where your numbers are coming from. The Haswell-based Xeon CPUs have a TDP of 80-84W. Your 69W are simply wrong (unless you got those from some sort of outdated Xeon from an earlier chip generation, which you hopefully do not plan on buying).

Um,well,I was talking about the older one indeed. that's bcoz I find the i5's and its prices to be similar. That was the reason for me thinking about that.


Well,my bad actually. The reason I was more into Xeon research was bcoz I thought it uses the socket LGA 1150. I mistook the V2 for V3... 😛
Anyway,still the V2 is in the game since it has got the performance.

 

[dannylivesforher]

So you guys are saying the Xeon is better option? But I hear the rumours that a server processor is weak standing alone,and once 2 of them are placed together,they're awesome. Is that true?

 

[RobCrezz]

So you guys are saying the Xeon is better option? But I hear the rumours that a server processor is weak standing alone,and once 2 of them are placed together,they're awesome. Is that true?

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

 

[DeathAndPain]

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

Definitely not, seeing that it was just clarified that we are comparing an outdated Ivy Bridge Xeon to a modern Core i5 here. I would never even consider buying an obsolete mainboard and an obsolete CPU with the goal to build myself a kickass modern future-proof high-performance system. That is just silly.

 

[RobCrezz]

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

Definitely not, seeing that it was just clarified that we are comparing an outdated Ivy Bridge Xeon to a modern Core i5 here. I would never even consider buying an obsolete mainboard and an obsolete CPU with the goal to build myself a kickass modern future-proof high-performance system. That is just silly.

I think you quoted the wrong person there...

 

[dannylivesforher]

So you guys are saying the Xeon is better option? But I hear the rumours that a server processor is weak standing alone,and once 2 of them are placed together,they're awesome. Is that true?

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

Oh,I get it now... Well,I've placed an order for the Moterboard, Asus B85M-G,and it'll be soon in my hands. Guess for now,I'll get the i5. A little later,I'll get the Xeon if my mom lets me.. 😛
Anyway,now she won't let me spend that extra bucks,since she's already fed up with me.. 😀
If I can,I'll get myself a Xeon later. Thanks for your help guys...I value every one's opinions and replies. But,I'm sorry I can select only 1 best answer. Please don't feel bad. Thanks again for those help...!

 

[DeathAndPain]

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

Definitely not, seeing that it was just clarified that we are comparing an outdated Ivy Bridge Xeon to a modern Core i5 here. I would never even consider buying an obsolete mainboard and an obsolete CPU with the goal to build myself a kickass modern future-proof high-performance system. That is just silly.

I think you quoted the wrong person there...

Nope. You said that "this Xeon" is essentially the same chip as an i7-4770, but the i7-4770 is a Haswell, and "this Xeon", as we now found out, is an obsolete Ivy Bridge, whose architecture is a full chip generation older.

 

[logainofhades]

Hawell is only 5-10% faster than Ivy. Saying it is obsolete is laughable at best. There is a reason that people called it Hasfail upon release. It is apparent you really have no clue on to what it is you are really talking about.

 

[dannylivesforher]

Glad at least a few people know what they are talking about... In multiplayer situations such as the often mentioned battlefield 4 32-64 player maps the hyperthreading will make a difference. The lower 69w tdp is also good. And its just 230 for it making the hyperthreading cost at most $30 which is well worth it IMO especially if you do anything outside of gaming. If all you do is offline gaming i doubt you'll see a difference but hyperthreading never hurts and it tends to drop CPU usage down some even in not highly threaded games. Less stress on the CPU is something good. I would buy the Xeon over the i5 and that's probably what I will do at some point to upgrade my system

I'd have gone for the Xeon v2. But like they said,it's an Ivy,means not much,but old. And,here in my area(India),the Xeon is not available,and I need to get it from Amazon. That's not a problem actually,but what bothers me is,I can't find a good looking mobo for my budget having an LGA1155 socket. So I thought I'd go Haswell.

 

[DeathAndPain]

Hawell is only 5-10% faster than Ivy.

Still it is faster, and we are talking old code here. Make that 70% in new AVX2-enabled code.

Saying it is obsolete is laughable at best.

How would you call a technology production of which ended half a year ago, with an improved successor replacing it?

There is a reason that people called it Hasfail upon release.

Yes. They documented their own inability to comprehend its new features that way, creating a rumor about Haswells running hot (which was nonsense) and Haswell's USB 3.0 (or rather that of Haswell C1 chipsets) not working properly and losing data (which was also nonsense).

Haswell was never inferior to Ivy in any way, but it is way superior in it in multiple ways, be it power consumption (-> heat), be it integrated graphics, be it AVX2 performance. I agree that it was not a big leap (Intel no longer needs to make those, seeing how far they have already outclassed their AMD competitor), but still there is no point in buying the old stuff, especially since Intel is not known for lowering prices of former CPU generations when they release new ones.

It is apparent you really have no clue on to what it is you are really talking about.

Dito. Sounds as if you are one of those who kept spreading the false rumors I just pointed out.

 

[JOOK-D]

Hawell is only 5-10% faster than Ivy. Saying it is obsolete is laughable at best. There is a reason that people called it Hasfail upon release. It is apparent you really have no clue on to what it is you are really talking about.

+1

IB won't be obsolete any faster than Haswell. Intel seem to already be moving onto a new socket anyway.

 

[RobCrezz]

This xeon isnt a "server processor" like the E5 and E7 Xeons. This is a Desktop/Workstation xeon. Essentially the same chip as a i7 4770 with slight modifications and marketed differently.

Definitely not, seeing that it was just clarified that we are comparing an outdated Ivy Bridge Xeon to a modern Core i5 here. I would never even consider buying an obsolete mainboard and an obsolete CPU with the goal to build myself a kickass modern future-proof high-performance system. That is just silly.

I think you quoted the wrong person there...

Nope. You said that "this Xeon" is essentially the same chip as an i7-4770, but the i7-4770 is a Haswell, and "this Xeon", as we now found out, is an obsolete Ivy Bridge, whose architecture is a full chip generation older.

Ok Mr Pedantic. I was clearly talking about the v3, as we were earlier in the thread. And the rest of your reply was pointless ramblings. I was just clarifying his question about the Xeon being a "server processor".

 

[dannylivesforher]

Intel seem to already be moving onto a new socket anyway.

That's not "totally" right. The socket's still the LGA 1150 as far as I'm aware of. It's just the lithography that changes from 22nm to 14nm. Still,I'd need to change the board,should I use the broadwell.

 

[logainofhades]

1230v2 is 1155 and 1230v3 is 1150. There were some rumblings awhile back from people saying Broadwell would require a new chipset, while still being 1150, therefore a new board would be required as well. It is S775 all over again.....

 

[dannylivesforher]

Which one should I choose as best answer???!!!!! 😱
😵

 

[JOOK-D]

Whichever helped you the most :lol:

 

[dannylivesforher]

I selected one,and somebody unselected it.... LOL 😀 😛