i5-4670k vs i7-4770k (GAMING)

[tommy4711]

Which one would be the more powerful / more futureproof / most cost effecient cpu for GAMING?
Would I notice any fps difference in a games such as BF4 and Crysis 3 and if so, how much?

 

[Kelvin Ventura]

would this I5 pair up with a MSI 560TI Hawk? like no bottleneck and sorts?

 

[leeb2013]

would this I5 pair up with a MSI 560TI Hawk? like no bottleneck and sorts?

yes, but it would bottleneck the i5

 

[Kelvin Ventura]

would this I5 pair up with a MSI 560TI Hawk? like no bottleneck and sorts?

yes, but it would bottleneck the i5

Oh so i would have to changed my video card? i thought it was already a powerful one

 

[Shauneepeak]

would this I5 pair up with a MSI 560TI Hawk? like no bottleneck and sorts?

yes, but it would bottleneck the i5

Oh so i would have to changed my video card? i thought it was already a powerful one

It WAS powerful, 4 years ago. The 560TI would likely only be considered a slightly above entry-tier card now. For a good mid price card I would look at the AMD R9 270x or for a higher price the R9 280 or GTX 760 or for a little bit more than those the R9 280X, which is essentially a 7970 at a MUCH lower price.

 

[THEBIGBAUSS]

How would the i5 do with an MSI GTX 760?

 

[all stalked out]

I am going to give you guys some personal experience. Last winter I built a new system. Asus Z87pro, i54670k (clocked @4.2) 2x7970,s 16gig gskill @ 1600, Intel 520 SSD. In a couple of BF4 maps the cpu was bottle necking my GPU's. I had to set the graphics to medium high. Just recently I upgraded to the i74790k. I left it at stock. Now I cranked it to ultra. With the i5 and BF4 on medium high my average frame-rate was mid 50's. With the i7 @ stock with settings cranked I am getting an average frame-rate in the mid 80's. So in my experience if your going with a multi-gpu setup and play games like BF4 go with the i7. If you have a single gpu set up the i5 is more than capable. Before anybody asks "why 16 gigs of memory" Playing BF4 with settings on ultra I hit 9 gigs memory usage.

I'm agreeing with this, For starters the techspot review everyone is mentioning where there all hitting around 97 fps is useless for CPU info. The graphics card is clearly creating a bottleneck. I'm a gamer who's gone from a 3570k to a 4770k to a 4790k and I agree you want to get the i7, There is a difference, It's more noticeable in some games than others but we're due a new range of gpu's with 4k capable performance soon so once you use gpu's like that for 1080p testing you'll see the cpu differences more readily. If you want so called future proofing get the 4790k and do gpu upgrades every year or so. Give your PC a strong heart don't mess up like I did when I got the 3570k instead of the 3770k.

 

[rogerjacobsen7]

How would the i5 do with an MSI GTX 760?

Perfect pairing, upper-mid CPU and upper-mid GPU.

 

[GObonzo]

you can find GTX 770s or R280Xs for a good price right now.
my FX8350 @ 4.8GHz with a 4GB 770 runs everything @ maxed settings. you go 3770K/4770K you would (by most benchmark results) do even better...

 

[Lascar]

final words on this, if you want to waste money to not a see any difference go ahead lol.

 

[Jakelj]

Games don't make use of hyperthreading. I recall reading a post where someone believed HT would be used by a lot of "big games" in about 4 years. That was about 4 years ago.

Actually games do make use of hyperthreading. Games that use 4 cores will make use all 4 threads of a dual core hyperthreaded i3 cpu.

 

[Susanto Phang Kit-lung]

uh guys, so what's the final word? do I get an i5 or i7? I have the same predicament right now, but slightly more complicated.

here's my thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2426840/wasting-money-buy-3770k-lga-1155-mobo.html

my mobo is LGAA 1155, it's old, so it can only support to Ivy Bridge. as much as I love to get everything as latest as possible like Haswell, I don't think I can't afford a new LGA 1150 mobo for at least another year. so I'm stuck with Ivy Bridge.

note: I know my mobo is B75 chip, means I can't OC the K series, but the only available stock here for Ivy Bridge is the K series, and I don't mind the extra 0.01 Ghz, well, if I buy i7 3770k that is. as for i5 3750k if it runs in stock speed it'll be identical with the non-K ones, right? too bad, but i5 3570k price is only $2 higher to the non-K ones here, so whatever? i7 3770k costs $126 more than i5 3570k. I really don't want to spend extra $126 if I will never use the extra power (hyper threading, extra 2 MB cache, extra 0.01 Ghz) for the next 3/4.. hopefully 5 years, ie. games that will be utilizing 4 cores at 100% and more will not appears until 4-5 years from now,as someone says above. 4/5 years later I obviously would have upgrade my current rig anyway. not to mention it's an old mobo tech LGA 1155 Ivy Bridge, wouldn't want to go all out buying if I actually will never use the i7 fullest power (read: useless to me)

FYI my VGA is MSI GTX 970 Gaming and I will never do SLI. the most demanding thing I'll do with the PC is gaming with max settings on 1980x1080 @60Hz. no video editing, no streaming while gaming (my internet is sucked hard anyway), no advanced programmings. and no, I won't change into a new 4K monitor until this monitor explodes and that means a long long time. also I will never buy multi monitors, no space anyway. and no, I'm not multi-tasking crazy. when I'm playing a game, only the game is on (plus steam or whatever it requires to play), maybe runs MSI Afterburner to check temps and stuffs, and a Notepad for reading a gameFAQ guide or taking notes related to the game, 2 Notepads max

so, guys, i5 3570k or i7 3770k? will i5 3570k future proof my PC in max setting gaming with stable 60fps? 2? 3 years? hopefully 5? come on talk me into it lol

there are 2 persons above said get i7 (well, one of em is using SLI & 4k monitor so it may not related to me)...

i5 is an upper-mid CPU and GTX 970 is... what? upper-mid? upper?
how about that "Games that use 4 cores will make use all 4 threads of a dual core hyperthreaded i3 CPU"
but if i7 is sure guaranteed will give up significant boost (will use all of the power it has based on my need) I will not afraid to buy it though, I mean, sure, why not? but if it's not, why spend money on it

 

[Robert Ostrowski]

Get the i5, it will not bottleneck any single gpu set up.

 

[Susanto Phang Kit-lung]

hey, thanks for the reply. better late than nothing

I can't find any Ivy Bridge CPU, i5-3570, i7-3770, K and non-K, sold over here anymore, they're just gone. it's all Haswell over here now

So I changed my plan: get an i5-4690k and new z97 mobo

now I couldn't decide which mobo is good... any idea?

here are what available in my country (ordered in price, from the cheapest to most expensive):
http://www.nanokomputer.com/index.php?sortcol=3&sortdir=a&x=15&y=10&cPath=27_41_388_459

I'm looking for a good durable mobo for single GPU setup, nothing fancy. under 2 million if I can, but if it's a little more, I can squeeze out some more money, 500k max, if it's really worth it.

I'm eyeing on Asrock Fatality Z97 Killer, 8 power phases, decent price. but someone said to me it'll die on me in about 2 months? 😵 is that a good board or...

here's my thread for more info:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2447198/thinking-buy-asrock-fatality-z97-killer-questions-ease-doubts.html

thanks. I appreciate your input

 

[all stalked out]

i5 vs i7 is all about do you have the money? Do you want to future proof your machine? If yes to both then the i7 is the way to go. You will see a 20-30fps increase in your games with the i7 though. BF4 specifically you'll see around a 30fps boost.

As an i7 owner and gamer, I can clearly say this is a faulty statement. The i7 is nothing but a hyperthreaded i5, which gives the i7 four extra, virtual cores. This is very good for professional video editing, as the HT feature can give you up to 30% better performance in such applications. Unfortunately, no game is taking advantage of neither 8 cores nor HT, which actually makes the similar i7 3-9% slower in CPU intense games.

My advice: Go for an i5 and save the bucks m8, the only reason I've got an i7 myself is that I've got my m/b, RAM and CPU second-hand for the price of a dual-core AMD. If you do video editing though, get the i7 and turn HT off when you don't need it 😉

As an i7 gamer and a past i5 gamer I can say your statement is faulty and not based on current experiences with both. Claiming an i7 get's a 3 to 9% loss is laughable. I experienced the exact opposite. A small improvement with the i7 is the worst case scenario. I went from a 3570k to a 4670k then I moved to an i7, a 4770k and now I run a 4790k. Moving from Ivy to Haswell did no more for me than moving from i5 to i7. My PC is a gamers rig. I do little else with it except a bit of modding and the i7 does make a difference with some modern game engines. Not much but a bit and certainly not less.

 

[Astrix_au]

Well if you do not have a gpu already I would say buy the i5 and chuck the extra money towards the GPU.

Also look at AMD's most powerful APU. It can play games without a GPU with decent fps till you get a GPU, it's had big improvements with the new Omega driver.

I watched a stream recently AMD did from their top of the line APU the A10-7850K without a GPU and getting 60fps easily on League of Legends thats impressive, I think it even got to 120 but I can't remember what game it was. The played 2 games on high one whent to 90 and the other 120fps. The games where league of legends and world of warcraft.

Here is the stream, notice when he turns of Vsync @ 8:40.^^ http://www.twitch.tv/amd/b/597838312

I also saw Jays 2 cents play BF4 with it and without a GPU, it can get 60fps on 720p on low I think and 30fps on 1080p. Later add GPU when you get the money like the 380x when it comes out or the R9 285.

It also takes advantage of HSA and fast memory helps with performance.

If your willing to spend more like myself, I got the 4770k with 2x MSI R9 290x Gaming cards. The i7 will help with streaming or recording gameplay as well and multitasking.

It goes to show how cheap you can build a gaming PC for your kids if you use a APU!

 

[gokitty199]

i5 = very close or same performance to the i7 counterpart in gaming but at a much lesser price, the 4670k will not bottleneck any single card gpu as of today and will even handle 2x 970s and even 2x 980s to an extent, and in that case just overclock your cpu but unless you do alot of rendering and editing, just go with the i5 since you seem like mostly a gamer

 

[massapeal79]

Here my set up guys i5 4670k running two gtx 970 sc with z87x oc 4 way motherboard AZZA Solano 1000 CSAZ-1000 Full Tower Case (Black) Coolmax ZPG-1200B 1200W 80Plus Gold ATX12V v2.3/EPS 12V v2.92 Power. Kingston Technology HyperX Red 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 1600MHz 10-10-10...and I got a 2tb hard drive with a blueray combo dvd rewritable drive what u think please leave a comment

 

[gaurav0110]

Hey all, almost everywhere it says i5 4690K is the best one for gaming. i7 4790K is overkill. And yet new games Like Wolfenstein and Arkham Knight recommend i7 CPU.... I don't get this.... I am building a system to last atleast 3 years and with this rate almost every game would be recommending i7 next year.... Would appreciate any suggestions???

 

[zoog18]

Hey all, almost everywhere it says i5 4690K is the best one for gaming. i7 4790K is overkill. And yet new games Like Wolfenstein and Arkham Knight recommend i7 CPU.... I don't get this.... I am building a system to last atleast 3 years and with this rate almost every game would be recommending i7 next year.... Would appreciate any suggestions???

From my experience a lot of it has to do with marketing and "optimal game performance" from a developer perspective. Il use fallout 4 as an example, in my experience it runs nearly identical on an i5 4690k and on i7 4790k, that being said their are some areas, all beit very rare where the i7 provides a noticeable performance gain (mind you not 30 fps, more like 5 maybe 10 FPS) but the again thats most probably because a 4790k comes standard with 4.0 Ghz clock rate out of the box , so technically the i7 is the "recommended" CPU for those reasons, but most would say the extra money is not worth it. Also, it looks better if your recommended requirements call for a higher end CPU, it gives off the impression that the game is graphically very powerful. An example of this would be Call of Duty ghosts, while an absolutely terriblely optimized game, the recommended system requirements called for 16 GB of ram, when the game actually only used between 6 and 8 GB.

 

[eli150]

Games don't make use of hyperthreading. I recall reading a post where someone believed HT would be used by a lot of "big games" in about 4 years. That was about 4 years ago.

lol yeah that's true but who knows maybe in the next year or two there will be a difference