i5 6500 w/ ddr3

[ThanosB]

Hey,

i was thinking to build a new pc and I've seen that the new Skylake 6500 is released in my country. I was also thinking to pair it with a b150 mobo that supports ddr3 memory just to save money, since I don't have much to spend. Is it a good idea or not?

 

[KKAW]

Hey,

i was thinking to nuild a new pc and I've seen that the new Skylake 6500 is released in my country. I was also thinking to pair it with a b150 mobo that supports ddr3 memory just to save money, since I don't have much to spend. Is it a good idea or not?

As long as the motherboard supports it you should have no problem.

 

[Rookie_MIB]

The i5-6500 has a DDR3L/DDR4 compatible controller. If the motherboard manufacturer makes it with the DDR3 slots and sets it up that way, then yes, you can use DDR3. To be honest, pricing has come down on DDR4 a lot, so there isn't much of a hit unless you already have some fast DDR3 lying around to use.

Asus has a pretty broad set of DDR3 compatible socket 1151 based motherboards. When you look through their products, go to the 'intel' boards, 'socket 1151', then anything with a D3 on the end is a DDR3.

 

[ThanosB]

The i5-6500 has a DDR3L/DDR4 compatible controller. If the motherboard manufacturer makes it with the DDR3 slots and sets it up that way, then yes, you can use DDR3. To be honest, pricing has come down on DDR4 a lot, so there isn't much of a hit unless you already have some fast DDR3 lying around to use.

Asus has a pretty broad set of DDR3 compatible socket 1151 based motherboards. When you look through their products, go to the 'intel' boards, 'socket 1151', then anything with a D3 on the end is a DDR3.

I have already found a pretty good Gigabyte ddr3 compatible motherboard, but the ddr4 ram is enough to keep me out of budget and that's why I can't buy it. I have made some changes in the build so it could fit the skylake cpu and a decent cooler for a little while, and I can't cut from anything else.

 

[capt_taco]

I'm using in i5-6600k with the Asus Z170-P D3 and 16GB of normal DDR3 (not DDR3L), and it works great. If you have 1.5V DDR3, there will probably be less chance of issues, although some 1.65V is supposedly supported.

I had the choice of DDR3 or DDR4 with this machine and went with DDR3, because despite the price of DDR4 coming down, the performance is still crap. Increasing the clock speed but doubling the latency means that even the high-end kits of DDR4 are outperformed by the high and mid-high sets of DDR3. Not interested in paying an extra $50 or $100 for worse performance, thanks.

 

[ThanosB]

I'm using in i5-6600k with the Asus Z170-P D3 and 16GB of normal DDR3 (not DDR3L), and it works great. If you have 1.5V DDR3, there will probably be less chance of issues, although some 1.65V is supposedly supported.

I had the choice of DDR3 or DDR4 with this machine and went with DDR3, because despite the price of DDR4 coming down, the performance is still crap. Increasing the clock speed but doubling the latency means that even the high-end kits of DDR4 are outperformed by the high and mid-high sets of DDR3. Not interested in paying an extra $50 or $100 for worse performance, thanks.

Yes, I'm tinking of buying 2 modules of HyperX Fury and I read that it is 1.5V.

 

[Rookie_MIB]

In order to make sure the memory modules do work with the DDR3, it should be the 1.5v. While they did move the voltage regulator back off the CPU from Haswell to Skylake and thus the MOBO manufacturers have control of it again, the higher voltage 1.65V sets might be incompatible - UNLESS it falls on the validated RAM list...

There is an advantage towards going with DDR4 - and that's the upgrade path. The next generation will almost be guaranteed NOT to have any DDR3 support.

I do agree with the speed issue, while prices have come down, the latency is still pretty poor but the DDR4 spec still does provide more potential bandwidth overall.

 

[ThanosB]

Do you think that, instead of going with a Skylake with ddr3, I should go with a pc with 4590? I really can't afford ddr4 memory now.

 

[Rookie_MIB]

Do you think that, instead of going with a Skylake with ddr3, I should go with a pc with 4590? I really can't afford ddr4 memory now.

Here's the kicker. You're going with a current gen processor, with last gens memory technology. You're also buying a motherboard which ONLY supports last gen technology. My question simply becomes:

What does Skylake offer, as a premium current gen which costs more versus a Haswell system? The general answer is 'not all that much'. You could probably save quite a bit of money going with a Haswell based system over a Skylake based system which you are locking almost completely to a DDR3 memory system.

My point is: If you're going to switch generations - go all the way. Otherwise to save money - stick with a full last gen system. Mixing and matching isn't the best idea.

Here's the thing: This is the core of a 6600k build, with CPU, Cooler, RAM, Motherboard - all DDR4 parts, and the 6600k is the only CPU that is currently available and priced out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.66 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.99 @ Adorama)
Total: $427.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-15 08:56 EDT-0400

Here's a build with a Haswell system. For comparison purposes, I added the same cooler and kept the RAM stock from the same supplier, I also put in the same K-series i5, when I could have used a i5-4570 which is a little slower, and non-oc and about $50 cheaper but still plenty powerful.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.66 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $381.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-15 09:01 EDT-0400

So - all in all, you're looking at spending maybe an extra 10% of the build going with a full DDR4 Skylake build which has an upgrade path. Should you upgrade your CPU to next gen after Skylake, you should be able to reuse many, if not all of your current parts. Meanwhile, going with the DDR3 now, should you upgrade to the next gen after Skylake, you're going to have to rebuy EVERYTHING.

In the long term, buying with DDR3 compatibility is going cost you more. You're talking paying $40.00 more now, and saving money down the road.

 

[ThanosB]

Do you think that, instead of going with a Skylake with ddr3, I should go with a pc with 4590? I really can't afford ddr4 memory now.

Here's the kicker. You're going with a current gen processor, with last gens memory technology. You're also buying a motherboard which ONLY supports last gen technology. My question simply becomes:

What does Skylake offer, as a premium current gen which costs more versus a Haswell system? The general answer is 'not all that much'. You could probably save quite a bit of money going with a Haswell based system over a Skylake based system which you are locking almost completely to a DDR3 memory system.

My point is: If you're going to switch generations - go all the way. Otherwise to save money - stick with a full last gen system. Mixing and matching isn't the best idea.

Here's the thing: This is the core of a 6600k build, with CPU, Cooler, RAM, Motherboard - all DDR4 parts, and the 6600k is the only CPU that is currently available and priced out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.66 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.99 @ Adorama)
Total: $427.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-15 08:56 EDT-0400

Here's a build with a Haswell system. For comparison purposes, I added the same cooler and kept the RAM stock from the same supplier, I also put in the same K-series i5, when I could have used a i5-4570 which is a little slower, and non-oc and about $50 cheaper but still plenty powerful.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.66 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $381.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-15 09:01 EDT-0400

So - all in all, you're looking at spending maybe an extra 10% of the build going with a full DDR4 Skylake build which has an upgrade path. Should you upgrade your CPU to next gen after Skylake, you should be able to reuse many, if not all of your current parts. Meanwhile, going with the DDR3 now, should you upgrade to the next gen after Skylake, you're going to have to rebuy EVERYTHING.

In the long term, buying with DDR3 compatibility is going cost you more. You're talking paying $40.00 more now, and saving money down the road.

Only the ram will be reusable. The next generation will have completely different socket, so I will have to buy a new motherboard, too. You can't use a 1150 cpu with a 1155 motherboard. Every next gen has its own socket. For the (maybe) 3 next generations only the ddr4 memory will be reusable.

I agree completely with the rest, though!

 

[Rookie_MIB]

Only the ram will be reusable. The next generation will have completely different socket, so I will have to buy a new motherboard, too. You can't use a 1151 cpu with a 1155 motherboard. Every next gen has its own socket. For the (maybe) 3 next generations only the ddr4 memory will be reusable.

I agree completely with the rest, though!

Are we sure about that? Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are socket/electrically compatible. Haswell and Broadwell (well, the ones you can find) are socket/electrically compatible. Socket 771's can work in Socket 775's are compatible (with a piece of tape). I'm willing to bet that unless there are vast changes to the subsystems in the next few years, Kaby Lake (successor to Skylake) will probably be socket 1151. Look at the naming - both 'Bridges' are socket compatible. Both 'wells' are socket compatible, it stands to reason that both 'lakes' will be as well. Guaranteed? No. Highly likely? Yes.

Whoops, In fact, it will be compatible. Kaby Lake IS a socket 1151 part.

http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby-lake-haswell-refresh-platform-detailed-launching-2h-2016-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

There you go. A new Skylake series will be good for another full generation, and at the current rates that means through late 2016 before the Kaby Lake CPUs even become available, and holding off till 2017 to actually buy the part through retail channels means he'll be good for a few years after that.

 

[ThanosB]

Only the ram will be reusable. The next generation will have completely different socket, so I will have to buy a new motherboard, too. You can't use a 1151 cpu with a 1155 motherboard. Every next gen has its own socket. For the (maybe) 3 next generations only the ddr4 memory will be reusable.

I agree completely with the rest, though!

Are we sure about that? Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are socket/electrically compatible. Haswell and Broadwell (well, the ones you can find) are socket/electrically compatible. Socket 771's can work in Socket 775's are compatible (with a piece of tape). I'm willing to bet that unless there are vast changes to the subsystems in the next few years, Kaby Lake (successor to Skylake) will probably be socket 1151. Look at the naming - both 'Bridges' are socket compatible. Both 'wells' are socket compatible, it stands to reason that both 'lakes' will be as well. Guaranteed? No. Highly likely? Yes.

Whoops, In fact, it will be compatible. Kaby Lake IS a socket 1151 part.

http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby-lake-haswell-refresh-platform-detailed-launching-2h-2016-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

There you go. A new Skylake series will be good for another full generation, and at the current rates that means through late 2016 before the Kaby Lake CPUs even become available, and holding off till 2017 to actually buy the part through retail channels means he'll be good for a few years after that.

Oh,I didn't know that...and I haven't seen a single Broadwell CPU in my country 😛 Anyway, I think I will go with Hashwell since, i don't have that much money for the current gen. Thanks a lot!

 

[Rookie_MIB]

Oh,I didn't know that...and I haven't seen a single Broadwell CPU in my country 😛 Anyway, I think I will go with Hashwell since, i don't have that much money for the current gen. Thanks a lot!

Hawell is a really good CPU. Anything in the i5-4400 to 4690 (non S/T) wattage quad core series will be more than sufficient for anything you'll need to do for a long time. Pair it with a good motherboard and some decent RAM and you'll be set.

 

[capt_taco]

Here's the kicker. You're going with a current gen processor, with last gens memory technology. You're also buying a motherboard which ONLY supports last gen technology. My question simply becomes:

What does Skylake offer, as a premium current gen which costs more versus a Haswell system? The general answer is 'not all that much'. You could probably save quite a bit of money going with a Haswell based system over a Skylake based system which you are locking almost completely to a DDR3 memory system.

My point is: If you're going to switch generations - go all the way. Otherwise to save money - stick with a full last gen system. Mixing and matching isn't the best idea.

Meh. Normally I'd agree with you, but that's because normally, the new technology offers a significant improvement over the old technology, not a step back. Unless he's going to reuse some crap-latency DDR4 in a new build 6 years from now, both the CPU and the memory are a one-shot deal. There is no upgrade path and there's not going to be one - at least not any that would give you anything other than very little performance increase for a lot of money.

So you get whatever is available that performs the best, and right now that's DDR3 unless you get into some very specific situations like quad-channel with 4 sticks of RAM, and even then all you're probably doing is breaking even.

As for Haswell vs. Skylake, that comes down to price. Skylake is slightly better, but a good Haswell CPU is still going to be more than adequate to last you the 5 or 6 years until it's time for a new machine. And probably nothing is going to come out on Socket 1151 that'll be worth spending $300 on compared to the 6600k. So again, a one-shot deal, get the best components that you can afford.