i5 Kaby Lake $/Value

[thirdeye22]

i5-7500 or i5-7600 for $30 more? The 300mhz bump is tempting.

 

[GamingEnthusiast420]

Either is fine. 30 bucks probably won't affect your build, and neither will 300mhz. If you want a real difference make the jump to a 7600K and experience the glory of 4.5 Ghz.

 

[geofelt]

I find the I5 non K 7xxx chips to be in nowhere land.
I3-4620@3.7 at half the price will game very well.

OTOH, a I5-7600K at $20 more than a i5-7600@3.5 can be overclocked by some 25% which is as good as it gets for gaming.

FWIW 5.5 is not realistic.
As of 1/13/17
What percent of samples can get an overclock
at a vcore around 1.4v.
I5-7600K
5.1 28%
5.0 52%
4.9 72%

 

[Chugalug_]

Get the 7500, that cash is better spent elsewhere.
What is the budget for your build?
I'll make a list.

 

[GamingEnthusiast420]

I find the I5 non K 7xxx chips to be on nowhere land.
I3-4620 at half the price will game very well.

OTOH, a I5-7600K at $20 more than a i5-7600 can be overclocked by some 25% which is as good as it gets for gaming.

FWIW 5.5 is not realistic.
As of 1/13/17
What percent of samples can get an overclock
at a vcore around 1.4v.
I5-7600K
5.1 28%
5.0 52%
4.9 72%

You're probably right. 5.5 may be a bit overboard BUT when pushed to the limits it can reach 5 Ghz.
To be honest, after seeing Asus overclock the 7700K to 7.3 Ghz I stopped believing in what's possible.

 

[USAFRet]

Either is fine. 30 bucks probably won't affect your build, and neither will 300mhz. If you want a real difference make the jump to a 7600K and experience the glory of 5.5 Ghz.

5.5GHz?
Sure, if you're looking for some magic number, for a seriously short term test, and backed up by a major cooling effort.
You might see that. Maybe.

For actual day to day use? Not.

 

[Chugalug_]

5GHz would be at the border of what I would consider a stable OC on that chip.
The Asus 7.3GHz OC was on liquid nitrogen custom cooling, don't even bother comparing that.

 

[geofelt]

I find the I5 non K 7xxx chips to be on nowhere land.
I3-4620 at half the price will game very well.

OTOH, a I5-7600K at $20 more than a i5-7600 can be overclocked by some 25% which is as good as it gets for gaming.

FWIW 5.5 is not realistic.
As of 1/13/17
What percent of samples can get an overclock
at a vcore around 1.4v.
I5-7600K
5.1 28%
5.0 52%
4.9 72%

You're probably right. 5.5 may be a bit overboard BUT when pushed to the limits it can reach 5 Ghz.
To be honest, after seeing Asus overclock the 7700K to 7.3 Ghz I stopped believing in what's possible.

You are looking at enthusiast benchmarking using ln2 cooling.
Entirely impractical for daily use. And... once you run much over 1.4v vcore the chip will not last long.

 

[Chugalug_]

One thing there, overclocking doesn't drastically affect lifespan so long as you don't do something silly like run it at 1.6v, anything up to 1.5v (which you won't hit anyway) will run without issue, with little affect on lifespan.
The CPU will be long since irrelevant before this voltage takes any form of effect, in addition the chip is selected based on ASIC quality, and how well it can handle voltages in contrast with performance. They're designed for it.

My brother is still running my old 2700k with a 4.6GHz OC, no issues at all.

 

[GamingEnthusiast420]

I find the I5 non K 7xxx chips to be on nowhere land.
I3-4620 at half the price will game very well.

OTOH, a I5-7600K at $20 more than a i5-7600 can be overclocked by some 25% which is as good as it gets for gaming.

FWIW 5.5 is not realistic.
As of 1/13/17
What percent of samples can get an overclock
at a vcore around 1.4v.
I5-7600K
5.1 28%
5.0 52%
4.9 72%

You're probably right. 5.5 may be a bit overboard BUT when pushed to the limits it can reach 5 Ghz.
To be honest, after seeing Asus overclock the 7700K to 7.3 Ghz I stopped believing in what's possible.

You are looking at enthusiast benchmarking using ln2 cooling.
Entirely impractical for daily use. And... once you run much over 1.4v vcore the chip will not last long.

Obviously not. And no one is willing to spend 40k on liquid helium either. But I still thought it was quite interesting.
Although I should mention, that overclocking with a 7700K is a breeze. Mine goes to 5.2 Ghz no sweat.

 

[USAFRet]

You're probably right. 5.5 may be a bit overboard BUT when pushed to the limits it can reach 5 Ghz.
To be honest, after seeing Asus overclock the 7700K to 7.3 Ghz I stopped believing in what's possible.

If "pushed to the limits" gets you 5.0, don't promote "5.5GHz" as an easy thing to do.

Some people out here kinda actually know, and will call you out on stuff like this.

 

[GamingEnthusiast420]

Mistakes were made.

And edited.
Hopefully @OP hasn't fried his CPU by now after reading it

 

[USAFRet]

Mistakes were made.

And edited.
Hopefully @OP hasn't fried his CPU by now after reading it

Well...since he does not yet own it, probably not.

However...someone in the near future will come across this thread, and figure that 5.5GHz is automagically doable.

 

[GamingEnthusiast420]

Mistakes were made.

And edited.
Hopefully @OP hasn't fried his CPU by now after reading it

Well...since he does not yet own it, probably not.

However...someone in the near future will come across this thread, and figure that 5.5GHz is automagically doable.

Well lets just hope that they read the entire thread.
And who says they can't? All they need is about 100 L of liquid helium and a 7700K to dispose of. 😉

 

[thirdeye22]

I'm not a gamer haha. It's an STX build with no gpu

 

[Chugalug_]

A 7500 or potentially an i7 7700 is right for you then.
Budget?
Intended use?
Rendering?

 

[USAFRet]

I'm not a gamer haha. It's an STX build with no gpu

Ya see...when you ask for opinions...that's the kind of info people need to provide a rational response.

 

[thirdeye22]

I'm just wondering if the extra 300mhz would even be noticeable. Using it as an overkill htpc, want 4 cores so I'm not limited in what I can do on it (i.e handbrake, photoshop) max budget is the 7600 ($299 CAD)

 

[USAFRet]

I'm just wondering if the extra 300mhz would even be noticeable. Using it as an overkill htpc, want 4 cores so I'm not limited in what I can do on it (i.e handbrake, photoshop) max budget is the 7600.

In that use, not even a little bit.

My HTPC just changed from a Pentium G840, 4GB AM to an i5-3570k, 16GB RAM.
Amazingly, movies and music do not play any faster...:lol:

Now...add in the Photoshop aspect....again, you will NOT see any difference with that 300MHz.

 

[Chugalug_]

No it wouldn't.
@OP, i'm talking budget for the build as a whole, for 4k video you'll want an i5 and 8GB of RAM optimally, if you're not doing 4k a G4560 will be heaps.

 

[thirdeye22]

Yeah, 4K might be in the future but in addition to htpc it's gonna be a secondary multi-use computer in the living room with some occassional encoding.

 

[Chugalug_]

Okay sure, give me a budget for the whole lot.

 

[valeman2012]

Intel i5 7500 since you said your not a gamer or even lower Intel i5 7400.

 

[thirdeye22]

Went with the i5-7500, should be a good htpc for a few years haha