i7 4790k cpu keeps overheating

[Patriek]

Hello I've build my first computer and everything seems to work fine but the cpu ( i7 4790k ) seems to be overheating when I put it on a stress test. (90-100c)
I recorded the temps with coretemp and msi extreme tuning utility
and the cores are at 40c when idle. 70c when being used a little bit. and 100c for anything else.

It's connected on a z97 msi gaming 5 motherboard.
And it uses the stock cooler that came with the cpu. I've read articles that the stock cpu cooler can't handle the cpu itself? Or did i do something wrong with the installation?

All pins from the stock cooler are properly plugged into the motherboard. the stockcooler is connected to cpufan1.
I've changed nothing in the settings of the cpu ( I think ).
Else MSI might have tempered with the settings?
https://gyazo.com/8998d0dab474fd3e83f2e2f9439ccc40
https://gyazo.com/a680162d3171a2ae678f48f2b4400fa3
it's running 100x44 ( 4.4 ghz ) and i didn't even set it that way.

I hope you can solve the problem for me.

Regards, Patriek

 

[Supahos]

Needs to be plugged into cpufan not sysfan

 

[Supahos]

Just above the cpu socket near very top of that particular board

 

[Patriek]

Needs to be plugged into cpufan not sysfan

Thank you for you answer.

I had put it there in the first place but i thought i placed it wrong ( because of the high cpu temperature ). But I´ve putted it back now. It doesnt make any difference. And my cpu is running way too high if it does something.
https://gyazo.com/a680162d3171a2ae678f48f2b4400fa3
Just noticed it´s running at 4.4ghz but msi shows its running at 4.00 ghz :l

 

[azaran]

How are you stress testing it? What programs, and what settings in those programs? Prime95, the kind of defacto for most people, runs too hot on Haswells depending on the version and setting. So that'll help in trouble shooting.

As for the 4.4 vs 4.0Ghz thing. That CPU, when it goes in to turbo mode boosts its clock to 4.4Ghz. Thats normal, so don't worry about that.

As for the cooler, that CPU does run hot under the stock cooler. Stock in general sucks, and having that exact cpu and having tested the cooler out, I can tell you it doesn't keep up with CPU under extreme loads. If you're going to keep the stock cooler, you could try cleaning it and the CPU of any of the stock thermal compound and reapplying a good compound and see if that helps with temps at all. Also if you have the option for better cooling in the case (more fans or better fan placement), getting some cooler air towards the CPU wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Patriek]

How are you stress testing it? What programs, and what settings in those programs? Prime95, the kind of defacto for most people, runs too hot on Haswells depending on the version and setting. So that'll help in trouble shooting.

As for the 4.4 vs 4.0Ghz thing. That CPU, when it goes in to turbo mode boosts its clock to 4.4Ghz. Thats normal, so don't worry about that.

As for the cooler, that CPU does run hot under the stock cooler. Stock in general sucks, and having that exact cpu and having tested the cooler out, I can tell you it doesn't keep up with CPU under extreme loads. If you're going to keep the stock cooler, you could try cleaning it and the CPU of any of the stock thermal compound and reapplying a good compound and see if that helps with temps at all. Also if you have the option for better cooling in the case (more fans or better fan placement), getting some cooler air towards the CPU wouldn't hurt either.

Thanks for replying!

I did a stress test with the program intel extreme tuning utility ( came with the msi installation disks )
https://gyazo.com/8b7fb7f947f0e029855f2f0685cca27f
I've nothing changed in the program so everything should be on default.
It can't even run a game like csgo without going over 100c. my old pc had a i5 4590 and had no problems with the stock cooler.
I'm planning on replacing the stock cooler, because people say it can't handle the heat.
I've a medium tower thermaltake versa n25 ( pain in the ass tower to place fans in ) ( it took me two hours to remove the top and front of the case to assemble the fans because the manual didnt show properly how to remove them )
About the fans:
I've 2 fans on the front sucking air in.
1 fan on the rear and 1 on top blowing the air outside.
Is this placement right? Because the instructions manual of the case didn't show properly how I should place the fans.
Can it be it has too little airflow because of the little size of the case?
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002891

If yes, can this be fixed by placing a better cooler for the cpu or/and do I need to buy a new case?
underneath I've made a picture of the inside of my computer.
I can't put the cables away properly because the power supply is non modulair.
( sorry for the sloppy cable management, haha )
https://gyazo.com/22c7575413c3975b2c0f12f50c67bb18
https://gyazo.com/b36729c10b6071634f8edf362925bc65

 

[azaran]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

 

[Patriek]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

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Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

 

[azaran]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

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Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

 

[Patriek]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

.

Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

Thank you very much for your help.
This really means a lot to me.
I'll order the h7 .

Regards, Patriek

 

[azaran]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

.

Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

Thank you very much for your help.
This really means a lot to me.
I'll order the h7 .

Regards, Patriek

Glad to help out! Happy Building!

 

[Grantmacintosh1]

Something that I would try is lowering the voltage of the CPU to a level that is still stable (around 1.25 volts on the VCORE). My two 4790k's ran very hot in my two Asus boards, but not in my Gigabyte board. This was to do with the VCORE being amped up to 1.35 volts on the two Asus boards, while the Gigabyte board kept the voltage under 1.25, which dropped the temperatures by 15 degrees with a Corsair Hydro H90.

 

[Patriek]

Something that I would try is lowering the voltage of the CPU to a level that is still stable (around 1.25 volts on the VCORE). My two 4790k's ran very hot in my two Asus boards, but not in my Gigabyte board. This was to do with the VCORE being amped up to 1.35 volts on the two Asus boards, while the Gigabyte board kept the voltage under 1.25, which dropped the temperatures by 15 degrees with a Corsair Hydro H90.

vcore is at 1,088
but I can't find anywhere if my processor is on default settings. :S

 

[Patriek]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

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Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

Thank you very much for your help.
This really means a lot to me.
I'll order the h7 .

Regards, Patriek

Glad to help out! Happy Building!

I installed the h7 but it still goes up to 90/100 a lot of times. Is this because it boosts to 4,4 ghz a lot of times?

 

[Patriek]

Something that I would try is lowering the voltage of the CPU to a level that is still stable (around 1.25 volts on the VCORE). My two 4790k's ran very hot in my two Asus boards, but not in my Gigabyte board. This was to do with the VCORE being amped up to 1.35 volts on the two Asus boards, while the Gigabyte board kept the voltage under 1.25, which dropped the temperatures by 15 degrees with a Corsair Hydro H90.

nevermind 1,28 i think? msi doesnt show any settings because it's on auto.
https://gyazo.com/270bbb8fe3ddab1be0899f06767e7fb1
vid says 1.28

 

[azaran]

Something that I would try is lowering the voltage of the CPU to a level that is still stable (around 1.25 volts on the VCORE). My two 4790k's ran very hot in my two Asus boards, but not in my Gigabyte board. This was to do with the VCORE being amped up to 1.35 volts on the two Asus boards, while the Gigabyte board kept the voltage under 1.25, which dropped the temperatures by 15 degrees with a Corsair Hydro H90.

nevermind 1,28 i think? msi doesnt show any settings because it's on auto.
https://gyazo.com/270bbb8fe3ddab1be0899f06767e7fb1
vid says 1.28

Might be worth resetting the bios and then looking at the numbers. Get everything to a stock default and go from there.

 

[azaran]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

.

Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

Thank you very much for your help.
This really means a lot to me.
I'll order the h7 .

Regards, Patriek

Glad to help out! Happy Building!

I installed the h7 but it still goes up to 90/100 a lot of times. Is this because it boosts to 4,4 ghz a lot of times?

Damn, I normally don't recommend throwing hardware at something to fix it right off but it really seemed your cooler was at fault. From here I'd start looking at your bios settings like Grantmacintosh1 has been saying.

 

[Patriek]

No worries. Your case is getting enough airflow that it shouldn't be having these issues. If you were only overheating during stress testing I'd say not to worry since thats an unrealisitic load, but if you're doing it while gaming make your life easy and just upgrade the cooler. You have a 160mm clearance in that case so you can fit most coolers. If you're not going to go in to ovecrlocking, pick up a Cryorig H7. Nice cooler, quiet and short with a fairly easy install. Runs about $30 depending on the vendor.

As for your cable management, I would recommend trying to organize it a bit. That mass of cables is blocking airflow. Not enough to warrant 100c but its not ideal. Also your PSU is not really a great PSU. If you can, I'd really suggest upgrading that at some point to a modular setup. This forum post has a great list of PSU models to look at.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

.

Thank you very much!
I'll upgrade the cooler. And I'll try to remanage the psu cables tomorrow.
If i've the money i'll replace the psu for sure. Because there is little to none space left to leave the cables.

Can the cryorig h7 handle the temperature of my cpu properly? Let's say I render a video for 2 hours straight. Can the cooler handle the heat then? Or should I then focus to buy one of the more expensive coolers?

Regards, Patriek

You'll be fine. The H7 is even good for OCing, tho not anything crazy. When I put them on similar TDP CPU's and stress tested for a couple of hours I never saw anything hit past 70c, I think you'll like it. Plus it should be a good deal quieter than the stock fan you're using now. It ships with its own compound which is decent, but if you decide to go with a separate thermal compound I'd suggest Noctua's NT-H1.Just make sure you clean the CPU's surface properly before putting the new cooler and compound on.

Thank you very much for your help.
This really means a lot to me.
I'll order the h7 .

Regards, Patriek

Glad to help out! Happy Building!

I installed the h7 but it still goes up to 90/100 a lot of times. Is this because it boosts to 4,4 ghz a lot of times?

Damn, I normally don't recommend throwing hardware at something to fix it right off but it really seemed your cooler was at fault. From here I'd start looking at your bios settings like Grantmacintosh1 has been saying.

No problem, felt like replacing the cooler anyway . And it's a bit cooler then the stock one.
I've nothing changed in the bios.
Everything is at auto settings. I searched on the web what it meant, but apparently the motherboard is adjusting the cpu itself if I'm not mistaken. ( maybe that's why it's getting too hot? ).
I can't find an option anywhere to fix this with the msi boards, (some say lower the voltage of the cpu ).
Maybe you've experience with those MSI boards.
My motherboard: MSI z97 gaming 5
Pics:
https://gyazo.com/f865a73d42798bcb4b1486d3664dbd44
https://gyazo.com/1bd3290b6670e2c9b657543224ac8b07

Regards, Patriek

 

[Patriek]

Reattached the cooler and now everything is working fine, It was probably not screwed tight enough. Sorry for that haha,
Now the highest peak at stress tests are 80c. around 20-30c when idle.
Thanks again, great cooler!

Regards, Patriek

 

[azaran]

Reattached the cooler and now everything is working fine, It was probably not screwed tight enough. Sorry for that haha,
Now the highest peak at stress tests are 80c. around 20-30c when idle.
Thanks again, great cooler!

Regards, Patriek

Oh good! Enjoy the new cooler man and happy gaming!

 

[joeeoj2016]

buy a new cpu cooler and fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!