Question i7 9800k or i9 9900k?

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Hello Folks,

I am currently in the process of upgrading my pc and need a little advice for my next upgrade. My current spec at the moment is:

CPU: i7 4770k @4.2GHZ
GFX: GeForce GTX 1080
RAM: 12GB DDR3 1600MHZ
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 144HZ
SSD: Samsung Evo 2x 120gb
Mobo: ASRock Z97 Anniversary Edition
PSU: Cooler Master MWE 650W Gold

Since i recently bought my 1080, my old CPU is now currently bottle necking, so i feel its time to purchase a new one. My question is, would i be better off upgrading to the i7 9800k or should i spend the extra £80-100 more to get the i9 9900k since i am under the impression that neither of these CPU's should bottle neck my system. I am also potentially looking to stream in the future so i am not sure which of the 2 processors would be the best.

Second question would be, if deciding on either processor, could someone kindly reccommend a good mobo as i am unsure which is the best to purchase.

Thanks for all your help in advance.
 
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9800k doesn't exist, if you mean 9600k don't bother. 9700k or 9900k will be decent upgrades. Zen 2 is out soon, if you're not bent on Intel there's a possibility of saving some doe either by swapping platforms or seeing if Intel drop prices. Intel rarely drop prices because of competition but they just might this time around, fingers crossed.

What games are you playing where you're seeing a bottleneck? 4770k is not exactly a drag on your graphics card so the problem would be elsewhere.
 
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boju said:
9800k doesn't exist, if you mean 9600k don't bother. 9700k or 9900k will be decent upgrades. Zen 2 is out soon, if you're not bent on Intel there's a possibility of saving some doe either by swapping platforms or seeing if Intel drop prices. Intel rarely drop prices because of competition but they just might this time around, fingers crossed.

What games are you playing where you're seeing a bottleneck? 4770k is not exactly a drag on your graphics card so the problem would be elsewhere.
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Hi,

Yes sorry i meant the 9700k. Currently i play Ring of Elysium, Path of Exile, CSGO, and a few other games. But on csgo i average 200fps in competitive play which leads me to think that its perhaps my CPU is old? Ring of Elysium with my graphics on low i get about 60fps and its not very smooth. Path of Exile is the only 1 of the 3 that runs decently.

For once i want to be able to run all my games and have them buttery smooth which at the moment isnt happening.

Also i would prefer staying with Intel.
 
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Csgo is a two thread game and 9700k having faster ipc may improve but 200fps is still damn good.

Ring of Elysium has problems and i don't think swapping to a better cpu will help much. Disable full screen optimisations for this game. Search how to do so.

Seems like your performance problems are more software oriented rather than hardware although i don't agree with your ram configuration. Some of your ram is in single channel bandwidth and would've been better with just 2x 8GB.
 
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Csgo is a two thread game and 9700k having faster ipc may improve but 200fps is still damn good.

Ring of Elysium has problems and i don't think swapping to a better cpu will help much. Disable full screen optimisations for this game. Search how to do so.

Seems like your performance problems are more software oriented rather than hardware although i don't agree with your ram configuration. Some of your ram is in single channel bandwidth and would've been better with just 2x 8GB.
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True 200fps is great, but with new GFX card installed, i figured i might as well go the extra mile and get a new CPU and complete the system that will last me for the next few years without having to upgrade again if you see my meaning. Since my cpu is already 5 years old.

I have seen gameplay of folks streaming and games such as ROE look incredible, thats the type of quality i want to have.

Will replacing my ram to 1866MHZ dual channel make much of a difference? I was led to believe it was really down to the CPU and motherboard. Perhaps it is me who is confused.
 
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I believe your current cpu has more to offer and more ram complete in dual channel would help. Higher quality visuals does lower cpu's demand of preparing as many frames so in this instance the graphics card may not be enough or the resolution you're comparing video's with isn't the same.

Though think you have an itch to upgrade and that's fine too. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything else going on thats holding your system back.
 
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boju said:
I believe your current cpu has more to offer and more ram complete in dual channel would help. Higher quality visuals does lower cpu's demand of preparing as many frames so in this instance the graphics card may not be enough or the resolution you're comparing video's with isn't the same.

Though think you have an itch to upgrade and that's fine too. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything else going on thats holding your system back.
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I am honestly not sure, the only other thing i can think of that perhaps is holding my system back is that i am still using Windows 7 64bit. Initially i thought my old 1050Ti card was bottlenecking my CPU, but since getting the 1080, i havent seen a difference. Hence my thinking of upgrading the system then hopefully i should be hitting much higher framerates, atleast to the standard to make the games i play enjoyable, and not sluggish.

But my thanks for your input, its really helped.
 
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Im still on win7 and with a 1080ti. If you think there's no difference between a 1050ti and 1080 there's definitely something else going on.

Disable automatic driver updates in windows if you haven't done so already.

Use DDU (display driver uninstaller) in safemode to uninstall Geforce drivers and clean the registry of graphics driver components. Boot back to windows and install the latest drivers from Geforce.com/drivers. Don't use Geforce Experience to install drivers or optimise games, it's a bs program.
 
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I have a 1050ti and my friend has a 1060 6gb there's hell of a difference between his pc and mine.I got the ryzen 5 2600 and his got the 4590 so cpu i am a lot faster but on gaming.He run this 1050ti into the water.So there must be something wrong on your end.
 
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Im still on win7 and with a 1080ti. If you think there's no difference between a 1050ti and 1080 there's definitely something else going on.

Disable automatic driver updates in windows if you haven't done so already.

Use DDU (display driver uninstaller) in safemode to uninstall Geforce drivers and clean the registry of graphics driver components. Boot back to windows and install the latest drivers from Geforce.com/drivers. Don't use Geforce Experience to install drivers or optimise games, it's a bs program.
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Windows update have already been disabled, but i will try using DDU just now and see if it makes a difference.
 
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Try just the two sticks in a2 and b2 slots and return them to 1866. You have an ssd so pagefile speeds should be good enough to not cause drastic stutters if 8GB ram isn't enough. 12GB capacity I'd favour but just test the extra 4gb isn't restricting performance.

See memory configs here and see dual channel with three dimms.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005657/boards-and-kits.html

A2 = dimm 1
B2 = dimm 2
 
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boju said:
Try just the two sticks in a2 and b2 slots and return them to 1866. You have an ssd so pagefile speeds should be good enough to not cause drastic stutters if 8GB ram isn't enough. 12GB capacity I'd favour but just test the extra 4gb isn't restricting performance.

See memory configs here and see dual channel with three dimms.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005657/boards-and-kits.html

A2 = dimm 1
B2 = dimm 2
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Ok i have benchmarked csgo with the 12GB in @1600MHZ and i got on average 194fps. Taking the 4GB out and using the 8GB @1866MHZ i am now getting 207fps average.
 
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Not to sound rude, but how is 200 FPS in CS:GO bad? If you have a 144hz monitor, as long as your framerate remains above 144hz, you're set. I'm pretty sure if you want higher response rate in CS:GO, you need a higher refresh rate monitor, not a better CPU. A 240hz monitor might suit your needs better if you are looking for 200+hz refresh rate for CS:GO.
 
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boju said:
Faster ram will help in games like csgo where this game is largely frequency based both in cpu and ram.

How about your other games, did reinstalling drivers improve performance for your 1080?
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Path of Exile has like 5-8 more fps, Ring of Elysium still the same 60-70fps so not huge really.

And yes everything is set to maximum performance.
 
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TCA_ChinChin said:
Not to sound rude, but how is 200 FPS in CS:GO bad? If you have a 144hz monitor, as long as your framerate remains above 144hz, you're set. I'm pretty sure if you want higher response rate in CS:GO, you need a higher refresh rate monitor, not a better CPU. A 240hz monitor might suit your needs better if you are looking for 200+hz refresh rate for CS:GO.
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Not rude at all, i can see your point. The point i was making is that with my current spec, i assumed that i would get more than 200fps since my i7 4770k is running at 4.2GHZ, being paired with a 1080 GFX card. The question i posed was wether or not i should upgrade my current spec to the latest i7 or i9 to get maximum usage out of card since i felt that my current rig is bottle necking. Its not just with CSGO but other games where i am seeing very low FPS despite my settings being on low, i used ROE as an example where i am only getting 60-70fps and its not the smoothest experience.
 
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boju said:
Id say pull the pin and upgrade. You'll have fun with it. You'll need DDR 4 ram, go no less than 2x8gb 3000mhz, possibly 2x16gb would be ideal for longevity.
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Any reccommendation on whether an i7 or i9 is best? For mobo i will look up what is currently the best bang for my buck currently.

Also thanks for your help throughout the thread.
 
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Id say pull the pin and upgrade. You'll have fun with it. You'll need DDR 4 ram, go no less than 2x8gb 3000mhz, possibly 2x16gb would be ideal for longevity.
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you will also need a copy of windows 10 as windows 7 is not supported for any modern CPU's. if you have a valid windows 7 key you can use that up upgrade to windows 10 for free. you could also upgrade to it now within windows 7 too

the 9th gen i7 should be enough with its 8 cores. the only advantage the i9 has is hyperthreading
 
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