IBM vs. Intel???

[flashpan]

Not that I wish to be thrown in with the black helicopter - conspiracy theory crowd, but I did have a thought on an observation I had. IBM is working with Apple on its 970/G5 project and we know they had a big hand in the AMD “Hammer” projects. Anyone else think that IBM maybe getting ready to go toe to toe with Intel in the near feature (3-5 years or so) for the proc market? IBM has the dollars to throw at R&D. Just a thought.

 

[juin]

Is to survive vs the IA-64 not to attack the IA-32 itself.

IBM want mass market that dilude there cost of R&D of compiler and manufacturing process.Getting nvidia under contract was a good move.Does Intel will do the same with ATI.As ATI have very close relation with Intel.

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[Groveling_Wyrm]

The subject of Intel vs. IBM was discussed <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq&notfound=1&code=1" target="_new"> Here </A> and at this time, IBM is in no shape to go up against Intel toe to toe, in Intel's market. Intel has twice the liquid assets, and has market control.

It would not be a morally good idea, nor an economical idea for IBM to go up against Intel when Intel has the market, money, mass production capability, research that is years ahead of currently released technology, and a history of reliability with consumers. IBM would just be wasting hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars to try and take Intel down. Not to mention the fact that Intel pays MEGA bucks to IBM in license royalties as it stands...

However, at this point, it does appear that IBM is trying to gain an advantage by "buying" tech from other companies...Apple...AMD...in order to improve their technology enough to compete with Intel. Maybe in the future(5+ years), they could possibly do something, but not in the next 3 years...

<font color=blue> Ok, so you have to put your "2 cents" in, but its value is only "A penny's worth". Who gets that extra penny? </font color=blue>

 

[juin]

X86 was a open source ISA is the new extention that are reserve to intel that why AMD/VIA pay intel for extension like SSE or MMX

[-peep-] french<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 06/28/03 07:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[dhlucke]

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[Groveling_Wyrm]

I wasn't referring to licensing paid to Intel by AMD, but instead, I was referring to licensing paid to IBM by Intel...

<font color=blue> Ok, so you have to put your "2 cents" in, but its value is only "A penny's worth". Who gets that extra penny? </font color=blue>

 

[reever2]

You sure Intel has more money than IBM? Yahoo Financials begs to differ...
And more technologically advanced research "years ahead of its time"?
The only thing Intel needs and has going for it in the research department is smaller cores, it has said time and time again that the P4 core as it stands today scales up to 10ghz just by using smaller processes. i dont know of any other things like low-k and SOI that Intel is researching, IBM does most of that

And how are they buying tech from Apple or Amd? Hypertransport isn't owned by anybody and the Ppc 970 belongs to Ibm, not Apple

 

[Ganache]

Apple doent make any tech, they desing comp and build them... All their tech is made by others..motorola, IBM now, so on, oh they try to make OS too..( based on freeBSD so... )

 

[juin]

on what cuz most of ISA been develop by intel.

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[juin]

intel in 2000 was making more profit that IBM they have a much smaller revenue but higher profit now bolt are around 1 billion profit intel get back to 2 billion


It a big myth that IBM develop much of technologie.

SOI was start to be developing in the same time for Intel and IBM

Strained silicon have start a bit earlier at IBM.

Low-K di.. is in developement and improve at most of the corporation even TSMC as i know intel lead in this part

Multi gate transistor bolt Intel Ibm lead the buch is hard to see who is the most advanced as Intel work on 3D triple gate and Ibm on dual gate.

Hypertransport is corsortium any have right to use it like 3gio

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