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[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]The top of the line Android uses the same CPUs, GPUs and memory that the iPhone use with the exception that iPhone CPU is clocked at about 800 MHz where as the Android phones are clocked at 1 GHz.[/citation]

Huh? Apple makes the A4 processor themselves...the Android phones use a SnapDragon processor. You have no idea what you're talking about
 
@Godfail
"....Faster doesn't mean better"

unless your talk about running a FPS game......
 
[citation][nom]reddragon72[/nom]Dang it's usually the other way around on forums, Android people attacking Apple people, but this time around Apple jumped in and attacked Android. Seems that the Apple people are really getting scared that there phone may become second best shortly. We will see... But for now, I agree that the same plain jane setup of Apple phones across all apple phones is what makes it appealing, but Android will be coming up to that level soon with faster processors from both major companies but both being equal in most aspects, this allows a more level playing field and that is what will balance out the last bit of Androids slight fragmentation issue.[/citation]

You know, you had an interesting point at the end there that is worth discussing but you ruined it with your lack of respect for people who prefer a different platform.

The great thing about the Apple phones until the 3G got the iOS 4.0 is that the experience on the phone is usually not hampered by hardware speed. No Apple fan in their right mind is concerned with hardware speed above what is needed for what they do...the typical Apple user is concerned with all of the things that those standard Windows and Android manufacturers ignore and overlook such as battery life and quality design. It's actually far more sensible if you really think about it - buying hardware on a bell curve just to have the fastest **** only to have it be worthless in a year is not a very smart thing to do. The trade off you make to have the faster processor and RAM is not really worth it in the long run.
 
[citation][nom]FasterGame[/nom]@Godfail"....Faster doesn't mean better"unless your talk about running a FPS game......[/citation]

Not if you want to play that game for more than 90 minutes before your battery dies...
 
[citation][nom]gshauger[/nom]Huh? Apple makes the A4 processor themselves...the Android phones use a SnapDragon processor. You have no idea what you're talking about[/citation]

Both of those processors have the same core, which is what some people are misrepresenting as them being the same processor.
 
lol @gshauger

erm yes apple makes the chips themselves..... because they really have a Chip fab plant at hand and a team of hardware engineers to design the thing, awesome

or maybe they actually license the chip design from ARM and packages the chip then ask Samsung nicely if they would fab the thing for them

oh and the chip design that goes into a snapdragon, yeah that IP belongs to ARM as well, it's a cortex A9 as opposed the the A8 on your iPhone

but yes your completely right there.....
 
[citation][nom]Euphoria_MK[/nom]I really think that you have no idea what you are talking about. Screen , CPU, Memory, Battery, ... its all different from Android based phones.Android may be running its CPU at 1GHz and above just to get similar performance to iPhone but it's sacrificing battery life. try running game son Android and iPhone, Android will need a recharge every couple of hours...[/citation]
Actually no, the iPhone uses a Cortex-A8 CPU, a PowerVR SGX GPU and 512MB of eDRAM which is exactly the same as a top of the line Android. So in terms of hardware it's not that dissimilar.

Have you seen benchmarks between the Andriod 2.2 and the iOS 4? The old Nexus One was with Android 2.2 was faster than the iPhone 4 with the iOS 4. The browser on the Android 2.2 even with the flash plugin enabled was significantly faster than the one on the iOS 4.

The iPhone 4 does have a better battery life, but is also using a slower processor, and the difference isn't that huge. But with an Android phone I can use replacement batteries where as in the iPhone I can't. Again, if I need to recharge my phone, I don't need any weird cables that only apple uses. All I need is a cable/charger with mini usb on one side which are pretty common. And do you think you don't need to recharge the battery on the iPhone every couple of hours when playing games of this kind?
 
@ 1:25

omfg. an iphone can actually do HDR?

if only it was possible for us-based developers to do a spin-off/collaboration work like what the japanese are doing (capcom/namco;sf/tekken).

imagine what epic and id or crytek would come up to. or probably get carmack on game-engine development and get those former IW employees do the gameplay.
 
[citation][nom]Godfail[/nom]Carmack has been making games for the iPhone for a couple of years now. Android is a bit newer, and Windows Phone 7 isn't even out yet. I don't know what developer nightmares you want to create for a game ON A PHONE...but you're really wasting your breath.Another thing is that Android doesn't have enough platform control to guarantee the game would play on all of its phones. iPhone is more like a console and Android more like Windows. Nobody's going to want to spend all that extra time making up for all the possible hardware variants with the Android platform.[/citation]

Actually the minimum requirements that Microsoft put on phones that will use WP7 are pretty high.
 
@Godfail

Fairpoint... but if im playing a FPS for more then 90mins i might as well be playing it right.... with a keyboard and mouse, faster does mean better when playing a FPS, unless you enjoy getting owned
 
[citation][nom]gshauger[/nom]Huh? Apple makes the A4 processor themselves...the Android phones use a SnapDragon processor. You have no idea what you're talking about[/citation]

First of all the Apple A4 it's not a processor, it's a a SoC. It contains and Cortex-A8 CPU and a PowerVR SGX GPU. The SnapDragon is also a SoC and it also contains and Cortex-A8 CPU and a PowerVR SGX GPU. So who doesn't have any idea what they're talking about?

And no, Apple doesn't manufacture the Apple A4, Samsung does. If you don't believe me search the web a little.
 
[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]Actually no, the iPhone uses a Cortex-A8 CPU, a PowerVR SGX GPU and 512MB of eDRAM which is exactly the same as a top of the line Android. So in terms of hardware it's not that dissimilar.Have you seen benchmarks between the Andriod 2.2 and the iOS 4? The old Nexus One was with Android 2.2 was faster than the iPhone 4 with the iOS 4. The browser on the Android 2.2 even with the flash plugin enabled was significantly faster than the one on the iOS 4.The iPhone 4 does have a better battery life, but is also using a slower processor, and the difference isn't that huge. But with an Android phone I can use replacement batteries where as in the iPhone I can't. Again, if I need to recharge my phone, I don't need any weird cables that only apple uses. All I need is a cable/charger with mini usb on one side which are pretty common. And do you think you don't need to recharge the battery on the iPhone every couple of hours when playing games of this kind?[/citation]

Apple designed a custom silicon to host the CPu and the GPU, by doing this they saved space and were able to decrease the power usage of the CPU and GPU.

Yes the browser on the Android is performing faster than the browser on the iPhone... but it seems that you are mixing browser performance with OS performance. If surfing the net is all you do and two seconds mean a lot to you than great. I rate the overall OS performance since I would use different apps. This is where iPhone clearly wins.
Consumer Report rated iPhone 4 as the best phone out there, even with the antenna issue.

Again less MHz means nothing when it comes to CPUs, it all depends on how many instructions this CPU is handleing per second and on how efficient is the OS that is running on the device. In this comparison iOS is better than Android.

This is ok since Android is new OS and its been out for barely a year, but how does it fell for Android users to be beta testers, since that's what they are... Android has released more updates and OS versions in one year than Apple has done for the whole existence of the iPhone.

Android phones keep popping out two or three per month, with different hardware, and as Godfail said, its harder for Android to make it's OS more efficient and stable when it's hardware changes on monthly or weekly bases.
 
@ Euphoria_MK
.....and on how efficient is the OS that is running on the device. In this comparison iOS is better than Android....

and you qualify that statement with.....

Android Inc existed all the way back before google acquired them (in 2005), and while IOS is based upon OSX which has it's roots in Unix android has it's roots in Linux, which makes them cousins. Updates although annoying are generally good, it means they are addressing issues and adding features, in the world of apple you need to pay to have your issues addressed or gain extra features

no a faster CPU doesn't make it better, but it doesn't hurt, i dont see the MacBooks chugging away on a pentium D, IOS is after all based upon OSX

and really modern CPU now days have management systems built in that allows them to throttle their speed based upon load, if an app requires it, then i would think a faster CPU is better

the only thing i can see take away from your comment is less choice is better...
 
@FasterGame "Huh? Apple makes the A4 processor themselves...the Android phones use a SnapDragon processor.
Apple doesnt make anything for a start. The chip you refer to is just apples marketing name for the ARM Cortex A8, exactly the same chip used in Samsungs Galaxy S range.
 
[citation][nom]Euphoria_MK[/nom]Apple designed a custom silicon to host the CPu and the GPU, by doing this they saved space and were able to decrease the power usage of the CPU and GPU.Yes the browser on the Android is performing faster than the browser on the iPhone... but it seems that you are mixing browser performance with OS performance. If surfing the net is all you do and two seconds mean a lot to you than great. I rate the overall OS performance since I would use different apps. This is where iPhone clearly wins. Consumer Report rated iPhone 4 as the best phone out there, even with the antenna issue.Again less MHz means nothing when it comes to CPUs, it all depends on how many instructions this CPU is handleing per second and on how efficient is the OS that is running on the device. In this comparison iOS is better than Android. This is ok since Android is new OS and its been out for barely a year, but how does it fell for Android users to be beta testers, since that's what they are... Android has released more updates and OS versions in one year than Apple has done for the whole existence of the iPhone.Android phones keep popping out two or three per month, with different hardware, and as Godfail said, its harder for Android to make it's OS more efficient and stable when it's hardware changes on monthly or weekly bases.[/citation]

Can you please explain how you reached to the conclusion that the iOS is faster than the Android. Can you post any kind of benchmark to prove it or are you just talking out of your mouth?

Please give credit where credit is due. The Apple A4 was designed in conjunction with Samsung. In fact the Samsung S5PC110 SoC used in the Galaxy S uses the exact same CPU as the Apple A4.
 
[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]Can you please explain how you reached to the conclusion that the iOS is faster than the Android. Can you post any kind of benchmark to prove it or are you just talking out of your mouth?Please give credit where credit is due. The Apple A4 was designed in conjunction with Samsung. In fact the Samsung S5PC110 SoC used in the Galaxy S uses the exact same CPU as the Apple A4.[/citation]

Easy, take HTC Incredible and iPhone 4 and swap through the pages, also run regular apps. Delay in response on HTC Incredible is obvious.
 
[citation][nom]Smochina[/nom]Moron, Android is the dumbest *** ever created. It runs crappy java apps and only few of the Android phones can actually come close to an Iphone, most of them are just stupid low memory, dumb cpus made by the worst mobile manufacturers in the world, who can't even make a decent touchscreen.[/citation]

 
[citation][nom]Euphoria_MK[/nom]Easy, take HTC Incredible and iPhone 4 and swap through the pages, also run regular apps. Delay in response on HTC Incredible is obvious.[/citation]

So this is your benchmark? LOL.
 
The chip inside the iPhone 4 is pretty much the same that's in all those Samsung Galaxy S models. It's a 1Ghz CPU (the S5PC110) with a GPU (the PowerVR SGX540) capable of 90 million triangles/sec.
In comparison the XBox 360 can do 500million, the PS3 250million (although the PS3's powerhouse is the CPU, not the GPU). The iPhone 3GS can do 7 million.
 
@Euphoria_MK

you do realize the HTC incredible in it's natural guise has the sense GUI overplayed the android OS. Also it's very difficult to compare between two OS (which is why the OSX vs Windows vs Linux will forever go on) unless your able to execute the same set of codes on identical hardware with different OS, which is never going happen cause steve dont want IOS on any other device and he dont want android on his devices, now if someone can figure out how to get android onto an jail broken iPhone4 i think we can get closer to an answer
 
[citation][nom]schmich[/nom]The chip inside the iPhone 4 is pretty much the same that's in all those Samsung Galaxy S models. It's a 1Ghz CPU (the S5PC110) with a GPU (the PowerVR SGX540) capable of 90 million triangles/sec.In comparison the XBox 360 can do 500million, the PS3 250million (although the PS3's powerhouse is the CPU, not the GPU). The iPhone 3GS can do 7 million.[/citation]

They're not comparing to the PS3 or the Xbox360, they're comparing it to the PS2 and the original Xbox. Against the new consoles no smartphone stands a chance.

he GPU on the iPhone is a PowerVR SGX535, not the PowerVR SGX540.
 
[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]They're not comparing to the PS3 or the Xbox360, they're comparing it to the PS2 and the original Xbox. Against the new consoles no smartphone stands a chance.he GPU on the iPhone is a PowerVR SGX535, not the PowerVR SGX540.[/citation]
I don't have the numbers for those. I'm basically trying to show what beast the Samsung Hummingbird SoC (or A4) is.
 
[citation][nom]IOSvsAndroid[/nom]@Euphoria_MKyou do realize the HTC incredible in it's natural guise has the sense GUI overplayed the android OS. Also it's very difficult to compare between two OS (which is why the OSX vs Windows vs Linux will forever go on) unless your able to execute the same set of codes on identical hardware with different OS, which is never going happen cause steve dont want IOS on any other device and he dont want android on his devices, now if someone can figure out how to get android onto an jail broken iPhone4 i think we can get closer to an answer[/citation]

Yes I know that. I am talking about regular user experience and as simple as response time of OS and apps. If am not interested in millisecond delays but an actual visible to the eye lag...
 
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