I hate to crash Microsoft IE9 Beta party early, but it appears that the browser will miss its mark.
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It will definitely be interesting to see. From what Microsoft has learned over the last year is that they need to get things right the first time when releasing a new product (We all know about the Kin and I believe Microsoft learned from it big time). Microsoft really has a tough market to punch through here and with all hope going into it, the Beta (and more importantly, the final product) will deliver.
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"I hate to crash Microsoft IE9 Beta party early, but it appears that the browser will miss its mark."
"The performance we have seen so far is mediocre at best and the screenshots that were leaked make IE9 look like a half-baked product."
Ya no surprise there. I hope no one was expecting anything other than the typical half baked product that IE is.
"The performance we have seen so far is mediocre at best and the screenshots that were leaked make IE9 look like a half-baked product."
Ya no surprise there. I hope no one was expecting anything other than the typical half baked product that IE is.
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I have been messing with both IE9 PR4 and FF 4.0 PR2. Both are great. But FF looks a bit bland. I hate how they seem to be moving away from the standard bar to something less.
And so far, IE9 has yet to not be impressive with the test results. You can easily go to either website that runs these so called browser tests and run them easily to compare your own results with theirs, minus anything related to MS since its based also on internet connection speed.
Also, why in the hell would we use anything made by a company in the competition? Since when is it ok to use a benchmark like Googles? Do you know what it truly means? That Google spent tons of time tweaking Chrome to look amazing in that test.
Chrome is meh. Google has a ok browser. Safari is a no go. Intrusive APple software, hah. Haven't had a need for Opera since FF and IE work great together.
And so far, IE9 has yet to not be impressive with the test results. You can easily go to either website that runs these so called browser tests and run them easily to compare your own results with theirs, minus anything related to MS since its based also on internet connection speed.
Also, why in the hell would we use anything made by a company in the competition? Since when is it ok to use a benchmark like Googles? Do you know what it truly means? That Google spent tons of time tweaking Chrome to look amazing in that test.
Chrome is meh. Google has a ok browser. Safari is a no go. Intrusive APple software, hah. Haven't had a need for Opera since FF and IE work great together.
Wait and see... comparing a PP version to existing and public beta versions is not the same...
between PP1 and PP4 there is a huge improvement in all parts.
and based on other "microsoft" benchmarks (like the google one) IE9 outperform any other browser in real life usage. which is opening pages and surfing pages, and not just doing benchmarks.
but its not the final version... so... we wait...
between PP1 and PP4 there is a huge improvement in all parts.
and based on other "microsoft" benchmarks (like the google one) IE9 outperform any other browser in real life usage. which is opening pages and surfing pages, and not just doing benchmarks.
but its not the final version... so... we wait...
my firefox is starting to slow down. When I switched from ie 8 to firefox it was the fastest ever. Now with all the extensions it is lagging a little, and chrome, which I use also, seem faster. IE9 needs to be as fast/fastest and have the slick look of firefox 4 beta.
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[citation][nom]willgart[/nom]Wait and see... comparing a PP version to existing and public beta versions is not the same...between PP1 and PP4 there is a huge improvement in all parts.and based on other "microsoft" benchmarks (like the google one) IE9 outperform any other browser in real life usage. which is opening pages and surfing pages, and not just doing benchmarks.but its not the final version... so... we wait...[/citation]
Pretty much. I have both IE9 PP4 and FF 4.0 Beta 2. So far, even with hardware acceleration IE9 PP4 is beating FF 4.0 Beta 2 in the test MS provides. They are tied for me in terms of speed in milliseconds since I have a T1 (1.5Mbps..... yay) at work.
I for one am hopeful for the beta. It seems people don't realize that if IE9 does good, that means the other browsers try to do better which is a win win. Each and every one of them see MS IE as their main competition and they want to beat IE. If IE beats them, they will work harder to be better.
Now when I look at IE(, I have hope too since so far Windows 7 is great, MS Security Essentials is great and have yet to have any problems with anything else.
Pretty much. I have both IE9 PP4 and FF 4.0 Beta 2. So far, even with hardware acceleration IE9 PP4 is beating FF 4.0 Beta 2 in the test MS provides. They are tied for me in terms of speed in milliseconds since I have a T1 (1.5Mbps..... yay) at work.
I for one am hopeful for the beta. It seems people don't realize that if IE9 does good, that means the other browsers try to do better which is a win win. Each and every one of them see MS IE as their main competition and they want to beat IE. If IE beats them, they will work harder to be better.
Now when I look at IE(, I have hope too since so far Windows 7 is great, MS Security Essentials is great and have yet to have any problems with anything else.
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What I want to know doesn't really have anything to do with benchmarks per se. In everyday use, how much of a difference will you actually notice. Firefox is still my preferred browswer and runs well on my cheapo home built quad system. I have used google chrome and Opera, but I still go back to Firefox as my favorite. I rarely ever use IE8, but still have it on the computer for those Microsoft tasks that require it. The fact that Google is able to throw unlimited money and software engineers at Chrome to make it faster than Firefox does nothing to make me want to switch. Frankly, everything Google is no better than everything Microsoft. When the Google fat cat is the only, browser, operating system and search engine left will they still put out weekly updates? Or will it just be another bloated monster like Microsoft became.
Are you sure you have run your benchmarks with the last version of IE9?
You say you are using PP4 but everything in your article seems to indicate you used PP3. Appart from your obvious pro-google bias (shown all through your article quotes and by the fact that you provide a Google bench as a comparison tool), you should at least get your facts right. For PP4:
- Acid score is 95%
- HTML5test score is 96
- At least on my computer i5-760 + HD4770 Spider runs faster than in Safari 5.0.1 (contrary to PP3).
- Since PP3 IE9 supports HTML5 canvas element (and it's GPU accelerated, providing impressive and unmatched speed for something you qualified as "critical").
You say you are using PP4 but everything in your article seems to indicate you used PP3. Appart from your obvious pro-google bias (shown all through your article quotes and by the fact that you provide a Google bench as a comparison tool), you should at least get your facts right. For PP4:
- Acid score is 95%
- HTML5test score is 96
- At least on my computer i5-760 + HD4770 Spider runs faster than in Safari 5.0.1 (contrary to PP3).
- Since PP3 IE9 supports HTML5 canvas element (and it's GPU accelerated, providing impressive and unmatched speed for something you qualified as "critical").
So what? A "preview" version is slower than a finished product. Hellooooo! IE9 doesn't even have a beta yet. Hell, there's not even an official date for the final release. The entire article is "almost trollish", and I think you'll have to wait a while for that...
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[citation][nom]falchard[/nom]OMG a Google Benchmark on JavaScript shows IE9 is not good at it while Chrome is simply awesome. I never saw that one coming.[/citation]
Then you must be living in a cave. IE and Firefox both have terribly slow JavaScipt engines compared to the others, that's just how it is. Fortunately this doesn't make a great deal of difference in most real-world uses, but some sites make very heavy use of JavaScript and that's where you'll see the two big market share holders crawling.
That said, the only significant difference between Chrome 2.0 and Chrome 6.0 is performance. They're going through version numbers like they've just learned how to count, yet there's no significant changes. FF for me
Then you must be living in a cave. IE and Firefox both have terribly slow JavaScipt engines compared to the others, that's just how it is. Fortunately this doesn't make a great deal of difference in most real-world uses, but some sites make very heavy use of JavaScript and that's where you'll see the two big market share holders crawling.
That said, the only significant difference between Chrome 2.0 and Chrome 6.0 is performance. They're going through version numbers like they've just learned how to count, yet there's no significant changes. FF for me
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[citation][nom]ethaniel[/nom]So what? A "preview" version is slower than a finished product. Hellooooo! IE9 doesn't even have a beta yet. Hell, there's not even an official date for the final release. The entire article is "almost trollish", and I think you'll have to wait a while for that...[/citation]
Chrome 6 is pre-release.
Chrome 6 is pre-release.
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Then you must be living in a cave. IE and Firefox both have terribly slow JavaScipt engines compared to the others, that's just how it is. Fortunately this doesn't make a great deal of difference in most real-world uses, but some sites make very heavy use of JavaScript and that's where you'll see the two big market share holders crawling.[...][/citation]You totally missed his point, which was not that he never thought Chrome was faster, but that it's certainly not surprising that a Google made benchmark shows Chrome being very good...
Check the industry standard spider test to see more of a balanced picture. Why anyone but Google should use Google's benchmarking tool truly escapes my understanding...
Check the industry standard spider test to see more of a balanced picture. Why anyone but Google should use Google's benchmarking tool truly escapes my understanding...
The browser war is over. There are only 2 browsers. IE and everything else...
The only thing IE has going for it is the integration and control with Active Directory / Group Policy. No other browser can be configured in a corporate environment with the level of flexibility of IE.
I think MS has accepted this browser upgrade is for business users and networks and hey if a few home users and hobbyist use it great! Basically the % of IE users will more or less equal the % of Windows OS's run by businesses.
Home users and hobbyists have likely already moved on to something else...
The only thing IE has going for it is the integration and control with Active Directory / Group Policy. No other browser can be configured in a corporate environment with the level of flexibility of IE.
I think MS has accepted this browser upgrade is for business users and networks and hey if a few home users and hobbyist use it great! Basically the % of IE users will more or less equal the % of Windows OS's run by businesses.
Home users and hobbyists have likely already moved on to something else...
The browser war is over. There are only 2 browsers. IE and everything else...
The only thing IE has going for it is the integration and control with Active Directory / Group Policy. No other browser can be configured in a corporate environment with the level of flexibility of IE.
I think MS has accepted this browser upgrade is for business users and networks and hey if a few home users and hobbyist use it great! Basically the % of IE users will more or less equal the % of Windows OS's run by businesses.
Home users and hobbyists have likely already moved on to something else...
The only thing IE has going for it is the integration and control with Active Directory / Group Policy. No other browser can be configured in a corporate environment with the level of flexibility of IE.
I think MS has accepted this browser upgrade is for business users and networks and hey if a few home users and hobbyist use it great! Basically the % of IE users will more or less equal the % of Windows OS's run by businesses.
Home users and hobbyists have likely already moved on to something else...
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