Imagine Mozilla Firefox Without Google

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[citation][nom]twisted politiks[/nom]Excuse me but you sir/mam are an a**hole. I feel I'm pretty educated with computers, seing as i have built very decent computers myself, have many certs, work on computers on my freetime/ IT person for my work. so if you would call that uneducated then idk what would be considered educated short of having a degree in computer physics, etc. I was just confused as to the ability to still use google as a general search engine with firefox, not whether it would still be the default homepage, seeing as i actually have www.tomshardware.com/us as my homepage.[/citation]
I'm sorry if it slighted you. I didnt intend to insult you at all, just use you as an example of the consumer who wont understand.

I know many people who work on computers in their free time, have superior knowledge in the workplace in buisnesses that dont hire full time IT, and hell even my cousin has every low level microsoft cert via the military. But does that mean that he has any idea what's going on? Not at all.

An educated outlook on this subject would assume very easily that the mozilla team would never intentionally block out the google domain because of one: the comsumer backlash they'd suffer. And Two, because they are an open source software foundation.
 
[citation][nom]afrobacon[/nom]I really don't like this move for Firefox, especially if the company switch is to yahoo!, which I for one hate with a passion. It's those bloody ask/yahoo search bars that keep popping up when I least expect them.The Firefox/Google combo has been a winning combo for years, why change a good thing?[/citation]
+a googol

I hate yahoo as well. They have a very cluttered aesthetic that really turns me off, along with their various cluttered toolbars. Google is very clean and uniform, and I find their aesthetics pleasing.

Even if the default search provider changes, I will likely remove it, and add google (along with Wikipedia and a few others).
 
Nah, you give people too much credit.
Most people are extremely computer illiterate and don't even know what a browser is. One of the most frustrating things is trying to help friends and family with their computers because they're completely clueless about everything...
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Ouaah! It sounds it must be a pleasure to ask you any computer question Maxor127.

Now that Chrome is released and has proven to be a better and faster platform for the web than Firefox, (or as soon as two or three drawbacks will be corrected) it is only a question of time before Google stop sponshorship with Mozilla.

The contrary would be very surprising.
That Google would keep to invest in Mozilla at 88% just to be the default home page during Firefox installation is a ridiculous argument made by many here (skine, macer1, hellwig...) who might consider themselves part of a very limited world technical elite
but seems more to ignore day to day reality.

- Most people using IE search the Internet with ... Google
though Microsoft doesn't put Google as the default in IE.

- If you have a family member who has installed Firefox
(because you are unable to click on the button 'download' ???)
he might also put Google as your search engine.

- Internet Users can surf the Internet, don't they?
They can use a mouse and a keyboard,
they can buy stuff, go to EBay, Amazon, Expedia, download music, movies...
they understand the concept of a shopping card,
they can register to web sites, groups,
they can create Blogs or pages in MySpace, FaceBook, LiveJournal, MyCyberSpace, Xanga,
they have installed Adobe Flash, Apple Quick Time...

So they will certainly be able to use Google if they want to.
Google didn't win the market by being the default search engine.
Thus, they have nothing to fear by dropping Mozilla.
fuser is correct.
 
[citation][nom]skine[/nom]I would argue that the majority of those using Firefox actively chose a different browser, and would thus be intelligent enough to change their home page. It's the first option on the first tab in Preferences, or you can just drag the icon by the url about 20 pixels to the left to the home icon.[/citation]

I really want to believe most of those who use Firefox use a different browser, but I myself use Google esp with the search bar on the top right. Would you have any research to back up this claim?
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[citation][nom]skine[/nom]I'm confused as to what you want me to back up. Firefox does not ship with Windows or Mac operating systems, which account for 98% of total operating system market share. Thus, for Firefox to hold 22% of the market, many using Mac or Windows must have actively installed Firefox as their primary browser.[/citation]

I wasn't clear. I'm assuming you meant those who used Firefox actively chose a different search engine in the first quote? I was wondering if you had facts to back that up that people who use FF used Yahoo or another search engine besides Google as Google comes with FF?



 
[citation][nom]afrobacon[/nom]I really don't like this move for Firefox, especially if the company switch is to yahoo!, which I for one hate with a passion. It's those bloody ask/yahoo search bars that keep popping up when I least expect them.The Firefox/Google combo has been a winning combo for years, why change a good thing?[/citation]

Here's one big reason. Google is a profit corporation driven by, of course, making profit. Mozilla, the organization that created Firefox, is a not for profit organization and is focused on helping internet users. http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/ With 2 different goals and philosophies, it becomes very easy to see why both of these companies can clash. It's not helping Google released their own web browser Chrome which is a direct competitor with Firefox.

No wonder why Mozilla and Google are having a hard time working with each other.
 
I'm assuming you meant those who used Firefox actively chose a different search engine in the first quote?
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I don't think so.
I guess skine, who I have listed by error with macer1 and hellwig in my previous post, means that Firefox users who are technically above average and have spent the time to download and install Firefox, will use the Search engine they want to use.
They won't really care about the default one.
 
[citation][nom]vincent67[/nom]Now that Chrome is released and has proven to be a better and faster platform for the web than Firefox, (or as soon as two or three drawbacks will be corrected) it is only a question of time before Google stop sponshorship with Mozilla.[/citation]
Everything else you said was so well reasoned, but this was to big of a blunder, -1.

Chrome may have the speed advantage, but I'll gladly give up .1 of a second for all my add-ons, and useful tools.

Firefox has much better add-ons, and a much larger add-on base. Chrome loses the functionality battle by a large margin.
 
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