valeman2012 :
herp mcderperson :
It's a 90-day suspension, not a ban, and being majority-Muslim has nothing to do with it. Being the majority of terrorism-exporting countries has everything to do with it, and the fact that they're Muslim is a coincidence. But hey, it makes for great narrative material that they're just Xenophobic and Islamophobic.
It's not even in effect right now, since the Courts have ruled against the Administration on this one.
Its a Ban regardless.
Trump need to removed...no discrimination should be into United States at anyway.
Unless you are a Trump Supporter, then there no point of talking to you as you are blind sided by him.
kinggremlin :
herp mcderperson :
It's a 90-day suspension, not a ban, and being majority-Muslim has nothing to do with it. Being the majority of terrorism-exporting countries has everything to do with it, and the fact that they're Muslim is a coincidence. But hey, it makes for great narrative material that they're just Xenophobic and Islamophobic.
Bull. If you pick the 3 highest casualties terrorist attacks on US soil by non US citizens (9/11, San Bernardino , Boston Marathon), here are their countries of origin:
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, and Dagestan.
What do ALL these countries have in common? Not one is among the 7 countries on Trump's banned list. How can you possibly claim this immigrant ban is for the safety of the US, when not one of 6 countries responsible for the worst terrorist attacks on US soil are on the list?
There's also the slight detail that Giuliani has stated that Trump asked him to assemble a commission to show him how to legally implement a Muslim ban. Not sure how you are going to argue something different with that established fact.
Ah the fun in the comments, screw it, this will be fun, if you decided to read this then read to the end because wording will make what I write sound so much worse then it is.
First off, I am a liberal, but I'm sure as hell not a democrat, and not above voting republican especially in devil you know to devil you dont scenarios, or in the case of this election, sticking your thumb in the establishments eye. I didn't vote but I hoped for trump and so far... better than expected.
Because this devolved into the muslim ban and immigration, here Is how I see it. I want discrimination, not based on what you look like but based on what you believe and who you are. The one uniting factor in immigration that makes this country good when you go through the legal channels is they are all here because they WANT to be there, they WANT to be in this culture, and will hopefully bring all the good that their original culture had along with them, they can believe whatever the hell they want so long as they honestly want to be here. However, the mass import of economic migrants who don't want to be here but it's a good place for a job or handouts, the import of low skilled labor, or the import of people who just flat out refuse to assimilate THAT we can do without, and would much rather, in the case of refugees, give money to governments around the area they are coming from money to to host/deal with them there, apposed to the mass import. Part of the process of assimilation I honestly believe that you should be required to be able to speak english, because without that ability, are you going to assimilate or are you going to break off into your own little cliques. A point of personal experience has showed me the import of low skilled workers, either legally or illegally only screws middle class people and poor over hard, due to places you work deciding if they go down south, they could get a far cheaper workforce. Or in the case of h1b1, they can demand someone with several majoris or phds to work for borderline minimum wage, and when they cant find someone willing to do that they lower the standards a bit and import from somewhere else to get cheap and highly exploitable labor.
now just specifically on the ban list, http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2016/terrorist-attacks/ you can kind of easily see a few of these places were chosesn for a reason, while other notable countries like saudi arabia was not listed for fiarly obvious reason (the money + 'allies'). I personally don't want to see what's happening in europe happen to america. I want a proper vetting system in place for any refugee if we even take them into our country, and in the case of migrants, if they want in so bad, go through the proper channels, the reason so few get let in or ok'ed every year is simple, we can not sustain everyone who wants to come to america just automatically being given the ok.
Not sure If I went off topic, but this is the way I see it. It would be in america's best interest to not take ANY refugees in but instead fund other countries to deal with them.
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