Build Advice In lieu of a complete new build, just replace the motherboard, CPU, GPU and RAM ?

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I am currently running.

Asus Z87 ROG mATX
Intel 4670K @ stock speeds.
32GB of 1600Mhz Ram
1 GTX 970, GigiByte.

And several hard drives. Largest being 8TB.

Mainly a gaming PC.

I would like to go with a 4090 GPU, but I have not considered a good CPU for this set up, which would make way for Mobo and Ram. I can not recall my PSU, but I can "assume" that it is either a 750/850 or higher. So I am looking to replace (upgrade) the main components and keep all the hard drives, I am sure that with the new technologies, I would have the option to go with m2 drives, but I can still keep some of the 3.5 drive via SATA connectors. I looking to spend at minimum, $1500, since I would not need a case, PSU or hard drives, may a M2 drive or two. I am planning this build over the course of 6 to 12 months. Gonna keep my desktop running on Windows 10, until Steam, Uplay and Epic say otherwise.

Any recommendations would be appreciated.
 
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Fill the form at the best of your ability and post results here,
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-new-build-or-upgrade-advice.528714/

I would like to go with a 4090 GPU
Any reason for that? RTX 5090 is currently the best GPU out there.

but I have not considered a good CPU for this set up
If you want THE BEST, then CPU wise: Ryzen 7 9800X3D is gaming king.

I can not recall my PSU, but I can "assume" that it is either a 750/850 or higher.
For RTX 4090, it's double of that.

1.2kW minimum, preferably 1.6kW (1600W).

since I would not need a case, PSU
New PSU is a MUST. Especially if you go with RTX 4090/5090.
New PC case also, maybe, IF your current PC case is too small.

But fill the form out i linked above.

If you want to see how to fill/format the list, then you can take my topic as an example, which i created a month ago (since i will be going with new build/upgrade as well),
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...d-ryzen-9000-vs-intel-core-ultra-200.3876180/
Take it as a guideline for filling out the initial form.
 
You're advised to stylize your thread with info asked of in this thread;
and the community can chime in with worthwhile suggestions.

I can not recall my PSU, but I can "assume" that it is either a 750/850 or higher.
How old is the PSU? You can take the side panels off the case and pass on the info you see on the stickered side(s) of the PSU. Seeing how it could be a decade old at this point, I'd advise a new PSU in conjunction with your CPU, motherboard, ram and GPU purchase. You're going to need a 1KW unit at the very least with a 12v-2x6/12VHPWR connector/harness either way if you decide to go for an RTX4090.

Make and model of your case?
 
No recommendations really, (though the current standard recommendation is 9800X3D plus RAM plus Mainboard) but some important points on your plan and budget (I am assuming the budget does not include GPU as a 4090 starts around 3K USD it seems):

-You need a PSU, recommended is 1000W, not to mention the age, so factor that into your budget. It is by far the most important part, the cornerstone if you will, of the build. Do not neglect it, a dead PSU can mean some very dead and expensive PC parts.

-As for the case check sites like Newegg, finding your specific chosen GPU you can get dimensions which should indicate if you can even fit one in your current case. Some of those 4090's are truly massive. Also consider that cooling and therefor airflow requirements have jumped quite a lot since your system was new. An RTX 4090 alone will pull as much power as your entire current system, that heat has to go somewhere.

-You would be fine to keep the drives, a couple I have in my machine are from that era and still fine (all spinning rust)

(Edit: formatting, redundant point)
 
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$1 500 should be enough if we assume the budget does not include the video card (which we have to).
your expectations are a bit optimistic it seems .
you will need to replace the power supply and you need a brand new build basically .


just to give you an idea:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO 69 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X870 Pro RS ATX AM5 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($194.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($137.50 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($112.50 @ Adorama)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1350 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1354.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-21 13:32 EDT-0400
 
What is the make/model of your case?

You can upgrade to a I7-4790K for about $60 on ebay.
You can gain perhaps 35% more performance out of your current system via overclocking.

If your cooler is the stock cooler, you might need an upgrade there.

Anything more and you will need a new motherboard.
B760M motherboards are relatively inexpensive, and they can support your DDR4 ram.
They can support 12th, 13 and 14th gen lga1700 processors.

Then, there is the latest gen 9000 series from amd and the ultra 200 from Intel.
The amd X3D processors have a huge following here, and they are very good for gaming.
 
Wow, a lot of good feed back and this provides me with a lot of disappointment. Cost wise. I have been out of the loop on the cost of components for a number of years, I build my desktop in or about 2011, and kept as such with the exception of adding my more storage, (more, more, more hard drives!!!), to accommodate my steam library. As far was GPU, needs I upgrade to a AW with a 2060 about a year to play some games my desktop would not. I am guessing the sad true that is it definitely going to cost me more then $1500 to upgrade.

But let answer some of the questions.
GPU, I figure that the price of the 4090 will come down and this would be a good GPU to start with, a starter.
Thanks for the req. on the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I a was looking at intel i9.
Wow on the PSU, I have not run a 1K+ watt PSU, since the days of running Tri-SLI.
I have two desktop pcs at the moment, Virtual Server inside a Fractal Design Pop XL Silent Black ATX Sound Damped Solid Panel Full Tower Computer Case.
Gaming desktop inside a Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-05 CC-9011138-WW Black Steel, Plastic, Acrylic Window Side Panel ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case.
I think either one would be sufficient.
This has been an eye opener, I was hoping to upgrade to a good PC to run Windows 11 for the next few years, but I see I would not be able to do that with budget limit of $1500.
Thanks for all your comments, I will have to re-think. I just might get a laptop with a 4060/70 instead, and avoid the hassle. Some are running less the $1K or a bit higher for 4070 open box at Best Buy.

Just WOW 😱
 
Wow, a lot of good feed back and this provides me with a lot of disappointment. Cost wise. I have been out of the loop on the cost of components for a number of years, I build my desktop in or about 2011, and kept as such with the exception of adding my more storage, (more, more, more hard drives!!!), to accommodate my steam library. As far was GPU, needs I upgrade to a AW with a 2060 about a year to play some games my desktop would not. I am guessing the sad true that is it definitely going to cost me more then $1500 to upgrade.

But let answer some of the questions.
GPU, I figure that the price of the 4090 will come down and this would be a good GPU to start with, a starter.
Thanks for the req. on the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I a was looking at intel i9.
Wow on the PSU, I have not run a 1K+ watt PSU, since the days of running Tri-SLI.
I have two desktop pcs at the moment, Virtual Server inside a Fractal Design Pop XL Silent Black ATX Sound Damped Solid Panel Full Tower Computer Case.
Gaming desktop inside a Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-05 CC-9011138-WW Black Steel, Plastic, Acrylic Window Side Panel ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case.
I think either one would be sufficient.
This has been an eye opener, I was hoping to upgrade to a good PC to run Windows 11 for the next few years, but I see I would not be able to do that with budget limit of $1500.
Thanks for all your comments, I will have to re-think. I just might get a laptop with a 4060/70 instead, and avoid the hassle. Some are running less the $1K or a bit higher for 4070 open box at Best Buy.

Just WOW 😱
well the good news is that you don´t need rtx 4090 and ryzen 9800X3D to enjoy modern games .
you can easily cut down the price by going with ryzen 9700x or 9600x even ,
furthermore you can also save some money on a motherboard and
with cheaper/less power hungry video cards you will not need a 1K+ power supply either .

you can get a satisfactory gaming experience in 1440p resolution
even with 9600x + rtx 5060Ti 16gb combo which would cost roughly $750 -
the rest of the platform should fit within $1 500 budget (not including the monitor)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($221.37 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ENDORFY Fortis 5 CPU Cooler ($39.90 @ ModMyMods)
Motherboard: ASRock X870 Pro RS ATX AM5 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($99.89 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($137.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC SFF GeForce RTX 5070 12 GB Video Card ($619.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1508.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-21 17:32 EDT-0400
 
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Wow, a lot of good feed back and this provides me with a lot of disappointment. Cost wise. I have been out of the loop on the cost of components for a number of years, I build my desktop in or about 2011, and kept as such with the exception of adding my more storage, (more, more, more hard drives!!!), to accommodate my steam library. As far was GPU, needs I upgrade to a AW with a 2060 about a year to play some games my desktop would not. I am guessing the sad true that is it definitely going to cost me more then $1500 to upgrade.

But let answer some of the questions.
GPU, I figure that the price of the 4090 will come down and this would be a good GPU to start with, a starter.
Thanks for the req. on the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I a was looking at intel i9.
Wow on the PSU, I have not run a 1K+ watt PSU, since the days of running Tri-SLI.
I have two desktop pcs at the moment, Virtual Server inside a Fractal Design Pop XL Silent Black ATX Sound Damped Solid Panel Full Tower Computer Case.
Gaming desktop inside a Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-05 CC-9011138-WW Black Steel, Plastic, Acrylic Window Side Panel ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case.
I think either one would be sufficient.
This has been an eye opener, I was hoping to upgrade to a good PC to run Windows 11 for the next few years, but I see I would not be able to do that with budget limit of $1500.
Thanks for all your comments, I will have to re-think. I just might get a laptop with a 4060/70 instead, and avoid the hassle. Some are running less the $1K or a bit higher for 4070 open box at Best Buy.

Just WOW 😱
Sadly it's not a good time for PC gaming.
 
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I have two older, lower resolution monitors that I use with my gaming rig. a VERY old Asus 24in, 1920X1080 and a 3 year ASUS 32in, 1920X1080, so my resolution requirements are not very high.
It is truly amazing that a lower end 5000 series would run less cost then a higher end 4000 series, but I am guess the 4090 is slightly better then the 5060.
 
I have two older, lower resolution monitors that I use with my gaming rig. a VERY old Asus 24in, 1920X1080 and a 3 year ASUS 32in, 1920X1080, so my resolution requirements are not very high.
It is truly amazing that a lower end 5000 series would run less cost then a higher end 4000 series, but I am guess the 4090 is slightly better then the 5060.
A 4090 is a LOT, and I mean a LOT more powerful than a 5060. NVIDIA is cooking the charts with Frame Gen numbers to make it look otherwise.
 
Might be worth checking into AMD CPU alongside graphics card and also monitor solutions that support Free Sync. Those items together do a great job with visuals and lack of things like tearing, cost well less with on average better amounts of VRAM and in my own opinion only losing out on the Ray Tracing feature which your game preferences may or may not support anyway.

Given the assumed age on all components and hard drives in the first post I would not use any of that for mission critical, not even the storage.
 
you make a valid point, but, for mission critical stuff, I have laptops, too many, as a matter of fact, all serve a small purpose, plus too much data, way too much data, games mainly, but I can see your point, failing Disc drives do happen, but with a new motherboard, I would be looking at M2 drives and most likely start with 2TB X2 and just keep the disc drives for game storage, games can be re-installed. all other drives just information, PDFs, youtube videos and other stuffs. Valid Point.
 
B760M motherboards are relatively inexpensive, and they can support your DDR4 ram.
OP is running DDR3 RAM.

Intel 4th gen CPUs operate with DDR3. Starting from Intel 6th gen (Skylake), then DDR4 became a thing.

GPU, I figure that the price of the 4090 will come down and this would be a good GPU to start with, a starter.
It still doesn't answer why do you want RTX 4090.
Is RTX 4090 some fixation you have?

And no, RTX 4090 price doesn't come down. If anything it goes up.
RTX 4090 launched with $1599 MSRP, while you were looking ~$2000 to buy one near launch.
Currently RTX 4090 goes with $2600-$3000 and more, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=539

RTX 4090 supply will dwindle as time goes onwards. And price goes up.

RTX 4090 is waste of money, especially when you compare it to RTX 5080,
relative performance: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-founders-edition/34.html

While RTX 5080 costs half of RTX 4090, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=588
It just doesn't make sense, to pay double the price, for, at best 13% better performance (RTX 5080 vs RTX 4090).

Thanks for the req. on the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I a was looking at intel i9.
Read reviews to know.

R7 9800X3D review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/27.html

Wow on the PSU, I have not run a 1K+ watt PSU, since the days of running Tri-SLI.
Well, RTX 4090 alone is 600W GPU. So, just to power it + the rest of the system (e.g 120W CPU and other hardware) + having some wattage headroom, you're looking at 1.2 kW PSU.

This has been an eye opener, I was hoping to upgrade to a good PC to run Windows 11 for the next few years, but I see I would not be able to do that with budget limit of $1500.
Well, you can but then you need to give up your dream of having RTX 4090.

Something like this perhaps;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($221.37 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 90 SE 32.77 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E ATX AM5 Motherboard ($169.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Abt)
Video Card: MSI GAMING TRIO OC GeForce RTX 5070 12 GB Video Card ($714.99 @ MSI)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic VERTEX GX-850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1476.21

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-21 17:38 EDT-0400


Solid RTX 5070 build. Can game on 4K with ~60 FPS, 2K with ~120 FPS or 1080p with ~150 FPS,
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition/33.html

No unicorn puke in the build though. But you can add it if you want (e.g CPU cooler, RAM, different MoBo with ARGB strip, etc.).
 
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Consider doing "rolling upgrades". I typically do a platform upgrade, then a GPU upgrade a few years later, then platform (and on...). Granted, your 970 quite outdated, so even a budget GPU will net you a substantial performance increase, even on your current platform. Barring that, some very good examples in the responses here of what can be done with your budget if you choose do everything now. Now is not the time for bleeding edge component purchases, but some of the midrange stuff is very decent. At 1080p an RTX 5070(Ti) or an RX 9070 will get some very high framerates at max settings.
 
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you make a valid point, but, for mission critical stuff, I have laptops, too many, as a matter of fact, all serve a small purpose, plus too much data, way too much data, games mainly, but I can see your point, failing Disc drives do happen, but with a new motherboard, I would be looking at M2 drives and most likely start with 2TB X2 and just keep the disc drives for game storage, games can be re-installed. all other drives just information, PDFs, youtube videos and other stuffs. Valid Point.


And that is a big part of what I am talking about. It isn't super convenient but if you lose your Steam games drive that isn't mission critical. Now, if you only had the wedding pics backed up on that drive, that is a whole different ball game.

For my own part, I tend to stay just behind the curve of new hardware. At least on the expensive bits. In your own situation I would (for instance) consider picking up something like a nice motherboard, at least 32GB of RAM, a 7000 series AM5 CPU, and would probably look into the 7000 series of RX graphics cards as well. Pick up a good power supply of high rating and long warranty. Alongside this an OS drive from the Samsung 990's that have been on stellar deals, a case you like. The only reason I say a case is that yours age should not have provision for faster USB ports on the front. Then, take your old drives and populate the case and so on.

In this instance you already have an upgrade path to 9000 Ryzen, maybe even more that aren't announced or at least known to me, you have upgrade path into better graphics cards, and if you choose a good power supply you already have the overhead. In many cases you can find these parts at a fraction of their release MSRP.
 
It still doesn't answer why do you want RTX 4090.
Is RTX 4090 some fixation you have?

I just figure it is the "BEST of BEST", as I said, I have been out of the loop as far as components. I only purchased my AW with a 2060 about 2 years ago, as I wanted to play "Death Stranding". Along with FC6, but then come to find out FC6 will run on a 970. I purchased two laptops about 1.5 year (2023) for my sons, they were running, 1060 and 870. but I see what everyone is saying. 4090 is overkill

a 5060/70 build would be good. meanwhile, I will run my 970 and 2060, one game that I was really interesting in play was "Forever Winter" which I understand needs a 3000 series or higher, all this is TBD.

I appreciate "everyone's" input on this. Very good information.
 
RX 9060 XT 16GB
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...nth-on-shelf-inventory-expected-by-early-june

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X670E-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.idcooling.com/product/detail?id=496&name=FROZN A620 PRO SE

https://www.xpg.com/en/xpg/pc-components-core-reactor-ii-ve

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($198.90 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE 58 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: *MSI X670E GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($208.99 @ Abt)
Memory: *Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *ADATA XPG Core Reactor II VE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $600.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-21 18:00 EDT-0400


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Very good recommendation.

Something like this perhaps;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($221.37 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 90 SE 32.77 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E ATX AM5 Motherboard ($169.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Abt)
Video Card: MSI GAMING TRIO OC GeForce RTX 5070 12 GB Video Card ($714.99 @ MSI)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic VERTEX GX-850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1476.21

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-21 17:38 EDT-0400


Solid RTX 5070 build. Can game on 4K with ~60 FPS, 2K with ~120 FPS or 1080p with ~150 FPS,
review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition/33.html
 
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One has to consider a poor quality or aging power supply much like a gamble against the value of the hardware it is connected to. That unit may well have a 10y warranty on it (I think it does) and Corsair has a good reputation IMO, but even at that the warranty is only going to cover the power supply....not the parts its failing blew up.

Given that a good power supply can be had ~the $100 +/- 25 point, why would you risk hundreds of dollars more against that?

If you must do this as a less expensive start and considering the monitors that you already have I would probably be looking at something like a 3070/4060/6700XT level (used) as that will certainly tax the 4th gen to full ability, and then consider where to go from there. I wasn't 100% clear on whether you are running OS on an SSD for that rig but would certainly do that immediately.
 
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