Intel: 8th-Gen Processors Are 30% Faster Than 7th-Gen

[Karadjgne]

Exactly. 'tick-tock-thunk'

 

[razor512]

I'd welcome a 20% performance improvement at the same price, regardless of how they pull it off.

That said, it may be telling that they're only talking about mobile CPUs. It's easier to get performance gains from those than it is on high-end desktops. If they got that kind of performance boost (at the same price) in the HEDT line from one gen to the next, it'd get some serious attention. On mobile, not so much.

What would really suck is if they launched this new CPU at a 60% price increase as they've done with the HEDT line for the last few generations.

What if you could double the CPU performance through software, without overclocking?

For example the core i5 4300Y in many tablets can literally double their performance using BAR edit and throttle stop, to force the CPU to not use its scenario design power value and instead use its normal TDP limits?
At the factory max TDP limits of 14.4 watts on most tablets that use that CPU, they often cap the TDP at 11.5 watts for boost (brings you to 2GHz per core and GPU at 400MHz, or 1 core at 2.3GHz and the GPU at 848MHz. for 28 seconds before the TDP throttle kicks in at 6 watts, which then drops the CPU to about 800MHz to 1.1GHz per core, and the GPU at 400MHz max if all are under heavy load. (if stress testing)

Through software edits, many users have been able to get the TDP to stay at 14.4 watts, and effectively double the performance without thermal throttling. since the cooling on many of the systems using that CPU were still able to keep the temperature under 90C.

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/3824/t/19576995 there is a thread about it on the dell forums for the venue 11 pro.

Overall, this kind of crap makes it hard to fully trust any improvements from intel for the low powered parts, since nearly all of them allow for multiple forms of software crippling to artificially make the CPU slower than it really is.

 

[Karadjgne]

Desktop cpus already use that, if in a different way/form. The firmware allows the cpu to run flat-out if it needs to, but there's also eco switches built in that'll cut cpu performance to @40% max. There's also windows power settings that can cap cpu/core usage to lower/higher settings upto max. With tablets/laptops etc, because of general public being electronics illiterate, Intel has already firmware lowered usage, in an attempt to stop ppl from freaking out over the fact their tablet/laptop rear seems hot enough to melt. Using BAR just software overrides the lowered settings, letting the cpu run flat-out, with the user knowing in advance that the case is going to get unusually warm.

It's just Intel way of selling high performance claim cpus, without having to suffer the backlash of returns due to the tablet/laptop burning ppls thighs or shutting down cuz they have the laptop sitting on the blankets

 

[law records]

Will this use the same socket type as Kaby Lake? I'm about to build a new machine.

 

[InvalidError]

Will this use the same socket type as Kaby Lake? I'm about to build a new machine.

Coffee Lake will be LGA1151v2. Same pin count but likely not compatible.

 

[Karadjgne]

I hope not, that's going to create issues when ppl see lga1151 and throw in lga1151v2 cpus and expect them to work. AMD had the same issue with ppl thinking am3+ cpus would work on Am3 mobo's or ppl getting the Corsair CX mixed up with CX-M and CXM. Be a much better idea to simply add a redundant pin and call it lga1152

 

[InvalidError]

I hope not, that's going to create issues when ppl see lga1151 and throw in lga1151v2 cpus and expect them to work.

One word: LGA2011v3

Intel wouldn't be new to this. Forums still get a handful of new threads each week asking if their LGA115x CPUs will work in an LGA115y motherboard anyway. Intel would need more than a 1-6 pins difference to make it obvious to the wishful thinkers... add 25 pins to support four extra CPU-hosted HSIO (PCIe/USB3.1/SATA6/Thunderbolt/XGMII) lines or something.

 

[Karadjgne]

You mean make it where it actually is able to support an m.2 or 2, native, without having to share the onboard Sata ports or killing them outright.

In all fairness, the 2011v3 boards are not exactly mainstream public use, not like 1150 or 1151, but I get what you are saying.